 Did Illinois ban MOST semi-auto shotguns? |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Illinois' Mag Ban Isn't What They Say It Is |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
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So does this basically mean we cannot carry autoloaders unless the magazine has no floorplate? I don't think gluing or welding will work either. ISP will just arrest you and let the courts work it out. That you will lose your guns forever seems to me a forgone conclusion. We know local police are very reluctant to give your gun back when there is no crime. How do you think ISP will treat you? They can run your plates, find your CCL, and pull you over for a slow lane change and voila! Yeah, it's illegal as hell but you cannot beat city hall. The law abiding are much easier to catch than a criminal who games the system. |
 BREAKING NEWS: Judge Finds Red Flag Law Unconstitutional... |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Illinois' Shotgun Ban is Broader Then They Say It IS -- Mini shells |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Did Illinois Ban Sales of Remington 870s? |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 2A HISTORY LESSON FOR SUPER GEEKS: How an Anti-2A Judge in NYC Helped Save the 2nd Amendment |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
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It appears to me that Todd gives the state legislature too much credit for being smart. He believes the legislature wrote this law intentionally this way with all of this magazine extensions, Remington 870 pumps illegal, conventional rifle firearms are somehow “shrouds” etc. He may be correct that his extrapolation of the law is correct, but I doubt very seriously if they did it that way on purpose. The whole law reads as a slew of disjointed items, thrown together like a burgoo and repeated several times. I seriously doubt anyone but Todd has actually read it throughly. Anyway so it stands, nothing short of a dinosaur meteor die off in Springfield and Chicago will fix it. |
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Originally Posted By F14ADC: It appears to me that Todd gives the state legislature too much credit for being smart. He believes the legislature wrote this law intentionally this way with all of this magazine extensions, Remington 870 pumps illegal, conventional rifle firearms are somehow “shrouds” etc. He may be correct that his extrapolation of the law is correct, but I doubt very seriously if they did it that way on purpose. The whole law reads as a slew of disjointed items, thrown together like a burgoo and repeated several times. I seriously doubt anyone but Todd has actually read it throughly. Anyway so it stands, nothing short of a dinosaur meteor die off in Springfield and Chicago will fix it. I dont think you give them enough credit. This was YEARS in the making. They see how the BATF can change definitions on a whim and fiqure a State Legislator could get away with even more. 10 minutes after the copy of the law was available, I brought up mini shells, how their definition of a shroud prety much describes any forend on a stock, convertable. Look back through my posts here. Their definations where picked carefully to out law every semi auto period. Maybe not now but a year of five down the road. One big step then several little ones. Who does the interpitation ? You or them. I'll give you a clue its not you. |
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Originally Posted By ARMALITE-FAN: I dont think you give them enough credit. This was YEARS in the making. They see how the BATF can change definitions on a whim and fiqure a State Legislator could get away with even more. 10 minutes after the copy of the law was available, I brought up mini shells, how their definition of a shroud prety much describes any forend on a stock, convertable. Look back through my posts here. Their definations where picked carefully to out law every semi auto period. Maybe not now but a year of five down the road. One big step then several little ones. Who does the interpitation ? You or them. I'll give you a clue its not you. |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
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Originally Posted By F14ADC: It appears to me that Todd gives the state legislature too much credit for being smart. He believes the legislature wrote this law intentionally this way with all of this magazine extensions, Remington 870 pumps illegal, conventional rifle firearms are somehow “shrouds” etc. He may be correct that his extrapolation of the law is correct, but I doubt very seriously if they did it that way on purpose. The whole law reads as a slew of disjointed items, thrown together like a burgoo and repeated several times. I seriously doubt anyone but Todd has actually read it throughly. Anyway so it stands, nothing short of a dinosaur meteor die off in Springfield and Chicago will fix it. It doesn't matter who wrote it or why. Government will always use very angle to abuse it's power. |
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The problem is you can intend whatever you want in a law, but ultimately the words are what the law are. Maybe they did not intend to ban 10/22’s, but the current wording of the law bans them. |
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Originally Posted By F14ADC: It appears to me that Todd gives the state legislature too much credit for being smart. He believes the legislature wrote this law intentionally this way with all of this magazine extensions, Remington 870 pumps illegal, conventional rifle firearms are somehow “shrouds” etc. He may be correct that his extrapolation of the law is correct, but I doubt very seriously if they did it that way on purpose. The whole law reads as a slew of disjointed items, thrown together like a burgoo and repeated several times. I seriously doubt anyone but Todd has actually read it throughly. Anyway so it stands, nothing short of a dinosaur meteor die off in Springfield and Chicago will fix it. I have said it in other threads here before. Never underestimate your enemy. That is how we got into this mess. |
 Illinois State Rifle Association predicts federal court injunction against state's gun ban |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 After federal judge hears challenge to IL's gun ban, plaintiffs confident law will be overturned |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Quick recap on gun ban hearing |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Harrel v. Raoul plaintiff discusses challenge against Illinois' gun and magazine ban |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Dear Hillary Hipsters, Miley Millennials and Participation Trophy Panzies |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 The Next SCOTUS 2A Case is Coming... |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 IL Supreme Court holds appeal of DeVore TROs in gun ban challenge pending outcome of Caulkins case |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Gun-Owning Federal Judge BLASTS Anti-Gun Illinois Lawyers AR Ban Case... |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 HUGE 2A NEWS: Federal Court Declares Assault Weapon and Magazine bans to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL... |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Federal Judge issues Injunction Again Illinois Gun Ban |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Supreme Court 2A Decision Brings An End To "Assault Weapon" And Magazine Ban!!! |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 4/30 Update State Seeks Stay of Injunction |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 MAJOR BREAKING NEWS: SCOTUS Issues Unusual Order in AR-15 and Magazine Ban case |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 Supreme Court Decision To Immediately Stop "Assault Weapon" & Magazine Bans!!! |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 5/3 Update on Illinois Gun Ban |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 5/4 update7th Circuit issues Stay of Injunction |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 5/5 update the Morning After the Stay |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 5/5 update #2 Freedom Week Guns Declared Illegal 1//1/24 |
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C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
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Originally Posted By Skunkhunter: Here is an opinion I hope is right. TL;DR the judge may have overstepped his bonds by granting this stay, forcing SCOTUS to intervene. We are watching history being made boys and girls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsVcTbDaTt0&t=311s  Supreme Court Immediate Block of "Assault Weapon" & Magazine Bans Coming!?! |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 When a Supreme Court Justice Wants to Pick a Fight Over Assault Weapon Bans |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 5/9 Explanation of where we are |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 SCOTUS Could Rule on Naperville Monday |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 5/12 Breaking News 7th Circuit Tries to Head Off SCOTUS |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 5/15 Orders List -- Nothing Happened |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 HB218 Illinois Tries to get around Protection in Lawful Commerce Act |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
 BREAKING -- SCOTUS Denies Request for Injunction in Naperville |
"Over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to tell the difference between skilled trolls versus fucking morons." DK-Prof
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
C 2/325 1983 - 1986
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