Posted: 11/30/2012 2:41:58 PM EDT
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Some of you may have caught Michael and I on WHO radio this morning. The subject was "prepping". I put some thought into the “hot topic” debate item of “bug out bags”. With the trend toward “prepping” these are all the rage and I’d like to offer my take on the topic. First of all, I’d like to discuss the nomenclature. I think the term “bug out bag” is a little misleading, unless of course you are taking this bag and wandering off into the woods. What most people refer to as a “bug out bag” is more likely an emergency bag kept in one’s vehicle, RV, cabin, etc. For the rest of this article I will be referring to my supply kit as my “contingency bag”, because it contains the preparations for incidents that I believe have a legitimate chance of occurring.
I, for one, am not trying to “bug out” of my happy places which provide shelter and are stocked with food, water, med supplies, and ammunition, in exchange for heading out into the unknown. I don’t have the time, money, or effort to prepare for things like the “zombie apocalypse”, which will never occur. I also don’t believe that a bag of any size will contain enough supplies to get me through a nuclear holocaust or communist invasion. Therefore I prepare for “life”, not death, as I am much more concerned with handling what it throws at me. The point of this article is to induce critical thought. As those of you have taken my classes have learned, the fight is won in the mind first. Prepping is no different. You have to think about what you might encounter and prepare for those situations. It's not enough to have all the "gear". We have to have the ability to know when and how to use it. I’ve seen people whose Contigency Bag consists of 12 loaded AR-15 mags and a PowerBar. That’s great if you think you may be part of a gunfight, but then again if you think you may be part of a gunfight on the way to work, wouldn’t it make more sense to call in sick and hit the “SNOOZE” button? As with my firearms training program, which we can all agree is subsection of prepping, we must maintain realism and consistency. There is no point in training to shoot standing on our heads if we don’t think that is a skill we will someday utilize. Think about the scenarios the YOU are involved in. Your preparations may vary depending on where you are going, what you are doing, and who you are with. If you are traveling to a third world country, in rural areas, with children, your preparations will be different than a single person traveling through Iowa in the winter. Below is a list of items I keep with me at all times. It looks like a lot, but fits into a bag the size of a shoe box that weighs just over 5 lbs. Keep in mind that this is what I carry and may or may not work for you. As with training, if something works, put it in your “tool box”. Don’t be stuck in the rut of complacency. Think about what you may encounter and prepare for it. Replenish items that are used and remember that redundancy is crucial. “Two is one. One is none”. What are you guys toting(in addition to your carry weapon)? If you have links to places to pick up items or tips, post 'em up so everyone can get on board. Stay safe out there and always ask “Why?”. Contingency Bag Contents (everything in heavy duty Ziploc bags) 2 full rifle mags Fixed blade knife and small stone/rod for sharpening Handcuff key 10 safety pins Deck of cards Flint @ steel Twine/dryer lint for tinder Fire starter cubes Lighter w/small zip tie to prevent leaking Water proof tubes containing batteries 2 contractor grade trash bags Superglue 30 feet 550 cord Tweezers Milspec can opener Food(cliff bars/mre/canned tuna/dried nuts) Water Bottle Katadyn Micropur tablets First need Water Purifier Electrolyte tablets Chem light sticks LED light sticks Flashlight Space Blanket Compass Thermometer Signal mirror Duct tape Sunscreen Chapstick Bug spray Heavy leather gloves Hand warmers Wet wipes First aid Supplies: Medical shears Misc Bandaids Misc size Gauze Med tape Alcohol pads SOF Tourniquet OLEAS bandages Immodium Benadryl Ibuprofen Broad spectrum antibiotic(levaquin) CPR mask Triple antibiotic ointment Sterile rubber gloves Cohesive Medical Bandages(COHERE) Ice pack Topical anesthetic Useful websites for constructing a bug out bag: www.countycomm.com www.lapolicegear.com www.tacmedsolutions.com |
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Thanks for posting that and going on the radio.
I keep a bit of cash in my kit too. I actually have it sewn into a hidden pocket in my pack. If the power is out for whatever reason the ATM/ Debit machines aren't going to work. I was at Wally Mart once and the computers were all down and it was nearly a riot in just a short amount of time. |
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I skimmed over the list really quick and I'll read the rest in a minute... but I'd like to say You're full of it. This can't be your list, Hair product was not listed first on the "Bag Contents", nor was it listed again in the First Aid typical contribution 
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I skimmed over the list really quick and I'll read the rest in a minute... but I'd like to say You're full of it. This can't be your list, Hair product was not listed first on the "Bag Contents", nor was it listed again in the First Aid typical contribution
I had a response written up... but my buddy showed up, and I didn't get it finished. 
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| The Survival Forums under the Outdoors heading above here on ARFcom has some great topics on Bugging Out/Contingencies. I haven't had a chance to listen to the podcast yet Rick but look forward to doing so as prepping is a topic that I enjoy learning more about. |
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The Survival Forums under the Outdoors heading above here on ARFcom has some great topics on Bugging Out/Contingencies. I haven't had a chance to listen to the podcast yet Rick but look forward to doing so as prepping is a topic that I enjoy learning more about. I'd be interested to get a military take on it. You guys get some pretty legit survival gear. |
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Some of you may have caught Michael and I on WHO radio this morning. The subject was "prepping".
I missed this, can we get a link to the audio file? As those of you have taken my classes have learned, the fight is won in the mind first. Prepping is no different. You have to think about what you might encounter and prepare for those situations. It's not enough to have all the "gear". We have to have the ability to know when and how to use it.
Style also counts for a lot. A good mindset mixed with the right hair product goes a long way 
I've spent some time looking around the Internet for ideas on what to put in a BOB/EDC. I found that much like many of the gun owners, people have all this gear and have no idea to use it properly or get out and train with it. Cool you have a nice GPS, Topographical map, and compass, you still aren't going to find your way out of that forest you wondered into. People tend to not think their gear out, what is shit you need, have a good possibility to need, or need quick if the situation arrives? Me personally see a couple things in your bag that i wouldn't have in my bag, but you might see the need for it. There is no point in training to shoot standing on our heads if we don’t think that is a skill we will someday utilize.
I heard the Spetsnaz train for that, you sure it wouldn't help me in a self defense situation? 
where you are going, what you are doing, and who you are with.
These are the best questions to ask, when setting up your bag. Seems people ask "What else can i put in here? If a Tornado pops up, while I'm climbing this mountin this will totally comes in handy" Folks tend to try and justify shit they throw in the bag, make up wild ass scenarios where it comes into play. “Two is one. One is none”
My last girlfriend didn't like that one
What are you guys toting(in addition to your carry weapon)?
I'll let you know when I get it set up...I've been putting it off  I'm still trying to decided exactly what I'd like to throw in it.
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I don't have this currently, but I am thinking really hard about picking two up...
Saw it in the Outdoor Forum a few days ago.. Portable stove that charges devices through USB. Cook food, boil water, charge devices, ...multiple practicle uses BioLite Camp Stove |
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The Survival Forums under the Outdoors heading above here on ARFcom has some great topics on Bugging Out/Contingencies. I haven't had a chance to listen to the podcast yet Rick but look forward to doing so as prepping is a topic that I enjoy learning more about. I'd be interested to get a military take on it. You guys get some pretty legit survival gear. First thing most of us do when we get to "the field" is erect a tent. Obvious place to sleep is in your vehicle (assuming you're not at home) but that may not be an option for whatever reason. I would use a poncho but your trash bags can fulfill that role and more. Army sleep systems come with a waterproof bivy cover. I've got one of the old woodland ones with the new ACU stuff sacks, which come in two sizes. Pack by the season - bivy cover only for hot summer nights, bivy and green bag in spring/fall, bivy and black bag when it gets a bit colder, bivy and both bags when it gets cold as fuck and you're wondering why your retarded army reserve unit decided to do an FTX in December. |
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CCA preparedness discussion on WHO Radio - Jan Mickelson Show
discussion starts @ 40:00 or so... |
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- Local Map (You car can go down in the middle of no where and you gotta walk. You can get these free through AAA) - Small set of batteries in a battery carrier (These bags often get ignored and batteries in lights are often dead when needed. ) - Contact List (Many people forget numbers since they just store them in their phones. A small laminated contact list is helpful) - Important Docs on FD (I like to keep a flash drive with scanned copies of important docs secured with TruCrypt. Include a copy of the various OS installs on drive as well) I don't have my HAM license yet (Septic, once I get it your dad will be the first to know. He always encourages me to get on it.) but I'm almost done getting this kit done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihnXWsN6N8 FYI You can get lost in buying all types of small stuff from CountyComm. I love that place. |
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Im supurised that you don't have fishing line and a few hooks while having a rifle is handy I would relay on it more of a defensive weapon than a hunting tool while fishing line and hooks are smaller and its much easier hunt fish than small game all season in my opinion of course this only if the survival aspect is pushed forward.... Fishing line and hooks fall into the category of Shit you don't need but try to justify. If you are in an environment where you have to fish for your food you are better off eating a power bar and focusing energy on getting the fuck out of there, or a shelter and fire. If you are lost in the wild stay calm, figure out your directions and get the fuck out. If bad weather is coming put up a shelter, build a fire and come morning get the fuck out!!! I'm willing to bet none of us can realistically expect to ever finding ourselves stranded in the middle of a massive forrest. But if you did a box of power bars in your pack and a good head will catch more than just fish. Now if your going in a grand month long hike onto the wild, fishing line might be needed... but you will also have alot more gear than that. |
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May I add to your list: - Local Map (You car can go down in the middle of no where and you gotta walk. You can get these free through AAA) - Small set of batteries in a battery carrier (These bags often get ignored and batteries in lights are often dead when needed. ) - Contact List (Many people forget numbers since they just store them in their phones. A small laminated contact list is helpful) - Important Docs on FD (I like to keep a flash drive with scanned copies of important docs secured with TruCrypt. Include a copy of the various OS installs on drive as well) I don't have my HAM license yet (Septic, once I get it your dad will be the first to know. He always encourages me to get on it.) but I'm almost done getting this kit done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihnXWsN6N8 FYI You can get lost in buying all types of small stuff from CountyComm. I love that place. Comms are one area I was going to mention and Septic, Sr. is the one who got me started in Ham as well. I highly recommend it as a hobby and as an emergency communication source. It's really not that hard or expensive to get into. Also, thanks to the CCA fellows for bringing this topic up this month. Preparedness is crucial, especially in these "interesting times". Damn, there goes the boy scout in me again. |
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May I add to your list: - Local Map (You car can go down in the middle of no where and you gotta walk. You can get these free through AAA) - Small set of batteries in a battery carrier (These bags often get ignored and batteries in lights are often dead when needed. ) - Contact List (Many people forget numbers since they just store them in their phones. A small laminated contact list is helpful) - Important Docs on FD (I like to keep a flash drive with scanned copies of important docs secured with TruCrypt. Include a copy of the various OS installs on drive as well) I don't have my HAM license yet (Septic, once I get it your dad will be the first to know. He always encourages me to get on it.) but I'm almost done getting this kit done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihnXWsN6N8 FYI You can get lost in buying all types of small stuff from CountyComm. I love that place. Comms are one area I was going to mention and Septic, Sr. is the one who got me started in Ham as well. I highly recommend it as a hobby and as an emergency communication source. It's really not that hard or expensive to get into. Also, thanks to the CCA fellows for bringing this topic up this month. Preparedness is crucial, especially in these "interesting times". Damn, there goes the boy scout in me again. i think the comm thing is something i'd like to get back into... when i was a kid, i took the morse code test and at the time, if i remember correctly, i became the youngest kid in the country to have a coded tech + license... 8 yrs old or something like that... i've since forgotten all of it, but i'd like to get a solar powered rig up and running again... |
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i'm going to have to reevaluate what is in my pack. i thought i had a decent pack, but what romper posted earlier in the year and now with recent reflection, i should certainly consider a 'cold weather' pack as a different or additional pack... i wouldn't need much in the way of stuff like that in the summer, but if my family is stuck in a snow drift i'll need a few other goodies to last the night easily...
maybe we should include this stuff in our next newsletter so folks can hit the links and consider the contents... |
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Great ideas guys! Mirage- Here's the water proof containers I use for batteries. They with great and have a million uses. I keep 3 of them with 3 batteries a piece. http://countycomm.com/tubevault.html I like it. I'm in a have to order a few. Anything in my kit I have to buy two for the wife. |
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i'm going to have to reevaluate what is in my pack. i thought i had a decent pack, but what romper posted earlier in the year and now with recent reflection, i should certainly consider a 'cold weather' pack as a different or additional pack... i wouldn't need much in the way of stuff like that in the summer, but if my family is stuck in a snow drift i'll need a few other goodies to last the night easily... maybe we should include this stuff in our next newsletter so folks can hit the links and consider the contents... I think it's a great idea. People think its crazy till they can relate. Over the years just about everyone in my area was affected by our recent flood, or the one when I was a kid in DSM. Someone's experiences job loss in today's economy. Or know someone someone affected my Sandy or Katrina. After all that people get to understanding and making small BOB, get home bag, at kits, and weather emergency kits are simple and not costly unless you gotta have that Surefire head lamp. :p |
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May I add to your list: - Local Map (You car can go down in the middle of no where and you gotta walk. You can get these free through AAA) - Small set of batteries in a battery carrier (These bags often get ignored and batteries in lights are often dead when needed. ) - Contact List (Many people forget numbers since they just store them in their phones. A small laminated contact list is helpful) - Important Docs on FD (I like to keep a flash drive with scanned copies of important docs secured with TruCrypt. Include a copy of the various OS installs on drive as well) I don't have my HAM license yet (Septic, once I get it your dad will be the first to know. He always encourages me to get on it.) but I'm almost done getting this kit done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihnXWsN6N8 FYI You can get lost in buying all types of small stuff from CountyComm. I love that place. Comms are one area I was going to mention and Septic, Sr. is the one who got me started in Ham as well. I highly recommend it as a hobby and as an emergency communication source. It's really not that hard or expensive to get into. Also, thanks to the CCA fellows for bringing this topic up this month. Preparedness is crucial, especially in these "interesting times". Damn, there goes the boy scout in me again. i think the comm thing is something i'd like to get back into... when i was a kid, i took the morse code test and at the time, if i remember correctly, i became the youngest kid in the country to have a coded tech + license... 8 yrs old or something like that... i've since forgotten all of it, but i'd like to get a solar powered rig up and running again... Maybe CCA would like to host a Crash course and test for those wanting to get their license. If I recall its all conducted by volunteers with their license. I should have done it when I did my CERT course. :( |
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May I add to your list: - Local Map (You car can go down in the middle of no where and you gotta walk. You can get these free through AAA) - Small set of batteries in a battery carrier (These bags often get ignored and batteries in lights are often dead when needed. ) - Contact List (Many people forget numbers since they just store them in their phones. A small laminated contact list is helpful) - Important Docs on FD (I like to keep a flash drive with scanned copies of important docs secured with TruCrypt. Include a copy of the various OS installs on drive as well) I don't have my HAM license yet (Septic, once I get it your dad will be the first to know. He always encourages me to get on it.) but I'm almost done getting this kit done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihnXWsN6N8 FYI You can get lost in buying all types of small stuff from CountyComm. I love that place. Comms are one area I was going to mention and Septic, Sr. is the one who got me started in Ham as well. I highly recommend it as a hobby and as an emergency communication source. It's really not that hard or expensive to get into. Also, thanks to the CCA fellows for bringing this topic up this month. Preparedness is crucial, especially in these "interesting times". Damn, there goes the boy scout in me again. i think the comm thing is something i'd like to get back into... when i was a kid, i took the morse code test and at the time, if i remember correctly, i became the youngest kid in the country to have a coded tech + license... 8 yrs old or something like that... i've since forgotten all of it, but i'd like to get a solar powered rig up and running again... Maybe CCA would like to host a Crash course and test for those wanting to get their license. If I recall its all conducted by volunteers with their license. I should have done it when I did my CERT course. :( i'll gladly provide the place, but i can't be in the driver's seat for this one. i'll need to be a student. i'd gladly help out though... i'll start a new thread and we can get something rolling. |
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Good thread. I need to put something similar together. With a few minor changes for myself, you posted a pretty good general list for everyone. I think a few small books on Survival in an urban or rural environment would come in handy also. A small very basic gun cleaning kit(boresnake, etc) I would up the ammo a bit also with a total of (3) rifle (3) pistol mags. I would like alot more, but ammo=ASHITLOADOFWEIGHT. Some sort of solar powered usb charger would be a must also, as I would need to trade out the cards for and IPOD. Playing cards, games, something to stimulate really makes sense to me. Great topic Rick, it really made me think outside my comfort zone. |
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May I add to your list: - Local Map (You car can go down in the middle of no where and you gotta walk. You can get these free through AAA) - Small set of batteries in a battery carrier (These bags often get ignored and batteries in lights are often dead when needed. ) - Contact List (Many people forget numbers since they just store them in their phones. A small laminated contact list is helpful) - Important Docs on FD (I like to keep a flash drive with scanned copies of important docs secured with TruCrypt. Include a copy of the various OS installs on drive as well) I don't have my HAM license yet (Septic, once I get it your dad will be the first to know. He always encourages me to get on it.) but I'm almost done getting this kit done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihnXWsN6N8 FYI You can get lost in buying all types of small stuff from CountyComm. I love that place. Comms are one area I was going to mention and Septic, Sr. is the one who got me started in Ham as well. I highly recommend it as a hobby and as an emergency communication source. It's really not that hard or expensive to get into. Also, thanks to the CCA fellows for bringing this topic up this month. Preparedness is crucial, especially in these "interesting times". Damn, there goes the boy scout in me again. i think the comm thing is something i'd like to get back into... when i was a kid, i took the morse code test and at the time, if i remember correctly, i became the youngest kid in the country to have a coded tech + license... 8 yrs old or something like that... i've since forgotten all of it, but i'd like to get a solar powered rig up and running again... Maybe CCA would like to host a Crash course and test for those wanting to get their license. If I recall its all conducted by volunteers with their license. I should have done it when I did my CERT course. :( i'll gladly provide the place, but i can't be in the driver's seat for this one. i'll need to be a student. i'd gladly help out though... i'll start a new thread and we can get something rolling. Let me find out the details of what level you have to be to do it and see if I can get someone to volunteer. I'll let yah know what I find. |
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A couple of additional sources I've used are http://www.cert-kits.com/ and http://www.shopmedvet.com/.
Also check out Patriot Nurse on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwUpLYWZh1c&list=UUqYf0XacrXizu9KI1kgqq3g&index=83&feature=plcp |
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Since we are adding YouTube videos check out Analytical Survival. It's been awhile since he's had much to add but he has a good system and explains it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/AnalyticalSurvival/videos?view=0 And if you every wish you lived in another state and had lots of money or your Class 3 FFL check out http://www.youtube.com/user/jjlovik/videos?view=0 |
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anyone know of a good comprehensive bushcraft/survival guide I could give as a gift to someone that knows nothing about it? Camping and wilderness survival By Paul Tawrell is a good comprehensive volume to start with. The SAS handbook is good also. Finish with the worst case scenario series by Joshua Privin and David Borgenicht |
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Let me find out the details of what level you have to be to do it and see if I can get someone to volunteer. I'll let yah know what I find. See if I remember this... To do exams... Have to be a General and there have to be three present (I think) to do exams... oh, and accredited. I am guessing that you will have almost no luck finding them that will come out and do a special exam session. But, exams are not too hard to find and unless you live in BFI like me, you won't likely have to travel too far. A group can easily get together and talk about it and study up and let people see radios and stuff and chat on them. There are places online to study and take practice exams; some free, some not. The one I like a lot is www.hamtestonline.com. It is a paid site, but tracks your progress and focuses on what you are weak on. I am not a book-learner so buying one and reading it does little good for me, but for some it works really well. YMMV. Technician will get you lots of local range comms really; general will get you around the world. There is no requirement any more for morse code at any level. If you go take the tech exam and pass it, ask to take the general test at the same time. If you pass that, try the extra. Tests right now are usually $15 (the club giving them set the price), but if you pass one level and try the next you get that one free. Despite the name, tech is not too techy; mostly rules since they apply to everyone. General is VERY techy. Extra is just crazy... crazy I tell ya. Here are links to the question pools for each level. These are the EXACT questions you will see on the exams with the answers in the same order they will be on the exam. The correct answer is in parentheses after the question number. Tech Question Pool General Question Pool Extra Question Pool If you search around you can find versions that have had the incorrect answers removed so you only look at the correct answer to help burn them into your memory. Tech and General both have 35 questions and you have to get 26 to pass. I got 33 on the Tech and 34 on the General after studying at hamtestonline. The Extra has 50 questions and I don't remember if you need 36 or 37 or 38 to pass. I tried it for shits and giggles and got all of 18 with no studying. I put together a list of test tips for tech a couple of years ago. The question pool changes for each level each 4 years and since I did the list they have changed the pool and now the list doesn't help as much as it did. I do think it'll help a little bit. Greg's Tech Test Tips Ham radio has been pretty fun for me and I've met quite a few people. There is a hell of a hamfest (the ham version of a gun show) in Dayton, OH each May that is HUGE and something each ham should see at least once. One thing I have not figured out about hams is that they seem to do things stupid early in the morning. It is not at all uncommon for them to have a local hamfest starting at 07:00 on a Sunday of all days; not even a Saturday. I'd have it start at like 9:00 like a gunshow so people that have to drive a ways don't have to leave before sundown the night before but I guess that's what you get when the average age of your group is 108; go to Hy-Vee at zero-five for the free coffee and hit the hamfest before your before noon nap. |
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I helped teach a novice class license class years and years ago. EVERYONE passed. Code and all.
Then on the other hand I got married, had kids, changed careers mid life, and have been "out" of the mainstream of ham radio for years and years...always kept my license up to date...since 1977...Advanced class now, but prob couldn't pass the test for it now. I've probably forgot more than I learned. But still, I'd be happy to try and help with a class if anybody wanted to lead...... |
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FM 21-76 Probably the best Army FM I've ever read. At least, until it gets watered down with the committee groupthink nonsense that most other FM's are a product of. Hot link: FM 21-76 |
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anyone know of a good comprehensive bushcraft/survival guide I could give as a gift to someone that knows nothing about it? A good bushcraft/survival guide IMO is How to Stay Alive in the Woods. Some stuff is dated, but for an all around manual it's very good and comprehensive. For a more simplified manual (lots of pictures), I like The SAS Survival Guide. For someone who is very new to the subject, you might look at Cody Lundin's books, 98 Degrees: The Art of Keeping Your Ass Alive and When All Hell breaks Loose: Stuff You Need to Survive When Disaster Strikes. Cody has a very entertaining way of writing that may keep the attention of someone who may not be that interested in the subject. |
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can i ask how many of you are prepping for the 2012 bullshit? After much research,I purchased the following items (1) A bag of gummy bears (2) a six pack of beer That should cover the entire event. "A six pack of beer" you mean to tell us, you've only got one? 
You might as well just join the rest of the "I'm too stupid to prepare" crowd... I've got 5 of those High-Capacity cases set aside in case the keg runs dry
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Working on my some winter prep stuff for my family. I tried ordering some emergency water filter kits, but I received an email back that they are able to ship to any where buy Iowa due to legal reasons. Thanks for your email. We are shipping filter kits to everywhere but Iowa. There are some legal restrictions that prevent us (and most other water filter manufacturers from shipping there). Any idea why they can ship anywhere but Iowa? I am getting around this by having some filter kits sent to the In-Laws in Minneapolis. I just thought it was weird Iowa is anti-water filter kits... |
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Working on my some winter prep stuff for my family. I tried ordering some emergency water filter kits, but I received an email back that they are able to ship to any where buy Iowa due to legal reasons. Thanks for your email. We are shipping filter kits to everywhere but Iowa. There hiare some legal restrictions that prevent us (and most other water filter manufacturers from shipping there).
Any idea why they can ship anywhere but Iowa? I am getting around this by having some filter kits sent to the In-Laws in Minneapolis. I just thought it was weird Iowa is anti-water filter kits... Can you provide a link to what and where you were buying? |
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can i ask how many of you are prepping for the 2012 bullshit? Haven't given it a second thought.... But... you gave it a first thought 
On topic time: Does anyone have any good suggestions for an EDC (everyday carry) bag. nothing to large or overly "Tacticool". I'd like something nice, that will take a beating and last a while. What are you guys using for your EDC? |
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On topic time: Does anyone have any good suggestions for an EDC (everyday carry) bag. nothing to large or overly "Tacticool". I'd like something nice, that will take a beating and last a while. What are you guys using for your EDC? Gather everything you plan to put in that EDC bag first then decided on a bag. |
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gemoose23 might be trying to purchase one of the Big Berkey filters as they will not ship to Iowa and I think one other State due to our States not recognizing the filters purity certification or something along that line. When I order a Big Berkey I'll have it shipped to a family member out of State and pick it up from them whenever we see each other next. That's why I have family in Moline. They can't ship filters to Iowa because they didn't pay the fee to have Iowa test their filters for approval. |