Posted: 7/26/2007 10:38:05 AM EDT
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Ok, I have a friend who’s been wanting to buy one of my pistols for some time, so I finally decided to give in out of financial need and sell it to her. Of course I told her she had to cough up a permit first. She applied for her permit and just before she received it, I finally found and closed on a home down in SC where I now reside. I moved in about three weeks ago. I have yet to get my DL or registration updated to my new address, but technically I do live in SC. I could simply take her permit and her money, transfer the gun and probably never hear another thing about it, but I got to thinking about the possible legal ramifications and whether the feds would consider it an out of state transfer. It’s been 18 years coming that I finally escaped the land of the tax and spend, gun grabbing liberal in NC and the last thing I want to do is be forced back in an orange jumpsuit and new jewelry compliments of the ATF. My question is in two parts, do we now have to do the transfer through an FFl and if so, a buddy told me that the dealer would buy the gun, mark it up and resell it to her. This can’t possibly be the way it’s done is it???? I had always thought they just charge you a transfer fee and that's that. The second part is if I do have to go through a FFL, who’s the cheapest in the southern Charlotte area  |
Congrats on your recent release from NC. Check with Nichols' Store down below Rock Hill. They have someone in Pineville they do NC transfers with. Alot of people from NC go down there to buy and do the transfer at the place in NC. If your buyer pays more than 25.00 bucks for a transfer then they are paying too much. My FFL in Mooresville charges 20.00. |
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Thank you! I can't tell you how relieved I am to be out of that berg! So that's a big affirmative on the out of state transfer? Rats, too bad she didn't get her permit just a little sooner and then it would have been a little easier. Oh well, $25.00 beats getting a new roommate named bubba! 
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| I hope you've moved far enough into SC. Rock Hill is trying to be Charlotte's little sister. AK story |
Yeah, I'm not really that close to Rock Hill and I did that on purpose. As for the Ak and for that matter AR's, FN's, etc... get ready for it because If Hitlary gets in the whitehouse she won't stop until she gets her philandering hubby's ban back in place. I believe the high demand for the AK is directly connected to gun owners seeing this coming. Fact: Bill Clinton's assault weapon ban accomplished an overnight record demand for all such weapons frankly nothing more. Charlotte's stupid leadership recently declared that the key to stopping crime was to get guns off the streets. Allow me to decode that for you, what they mean to say is, we need to get all legal guns off the streets. Never mind the criminals, they're just misunderstood and need a hug. now I don't know about you, but the day that guns start leaping out of holsters, off counter tops and begin shooting people by themselves, then I'll agree with these morons. Until then, they can stay away from me and my legal guns!  I will be picking up an AK before the 2008 elections just like all the others that are doing exactly the same thing. 
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I don't know about whether or not you need to go through all that trouble or not, maybe an LEO will chime in, since a couple frequent here... Assuming you do have to do the transfer, you may have to pay a transfer fee to this dealer in SC, and to the one in NC, but I could be wrong, I don't think you can just drop it off at a NC FFL, and have her take her permit in there and pick it up. The reason I say this is I moved to SC last year, and was looking at some guns in NC, whether at a gun store, or a gun show, if I wanted to buy a handgun from a NC dealer, they couldn't give it to a SC dealer at the show, they couldn't drive 5 miles down the road to exit 90 and give it to the FFL, they said they had to SHIP it to the SC FFL. So, if the handgun is a legal resident of SC now, and using my experience as a guide, it MAY have to be shipped from the FFL here in SC, to the FFL in NC, and then she can go in and pick it up. I could be wrong, but do you see what I'm saying here? I think you should look into it to make sure, and figure in whatever costs before agreeing to a price and who's paying for what w/ your friend, so there's no hard feelings. The SC FFL may not charge a transfer fee if they don't have to do any paperwork, but you may have to pay shipping through them. Again, I'm just thinking out loud based on my previous experience. I regretted not buying my first handgun before I crossed the border, coz I could have gotten a better deal more easily from the more competitive NC market. The stores down here mark up their handguns quite a bit, coz there's not much competitiion, in the upstate anyway. I had to order online and do a transfer to get a decent deal on my G19 (saved $100 compared to local purchase). Anyway, if you do have to go through a SC FFL to send it to a NC FFL, go ahead and ask Nichol's about it like the other poster suggested, if you want other options, I used www.aim-right.com Jack at aim-right for my tranfer for my online purchase. I know to receive transfer, Nichols charged like $50-$60, while there were some pawn shops on Cherry Road in Rock Hill that charged $25-$30, Jack only charged me $20, and I know he teaches NC and SC CWP classes, so I'm sure he has NC connections to. He may be able to tell you the right way to do it, and may have a more economical way compared to some other places that charge more for their transfers. Hope it helps. Tell him I sent you if you want. Karz |
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BTW, do you carry? I have a friend of mine who lived in NC and got his CWP there, but now lives near me in SC. He thinks his permit is still good here, and the other 30 states or so that have reciprocity w/ NC. From what I've read, however, once he moved out of state, I don't *think* his permit is any good anymore, since he's not a resident of NC anymore, and NC doesn't have a non-resident program for CWP. If you want to carry, I'd recommend taking the SC CWP class right away to be on the safe side. Eventually the NC permit would expire anyway, but I'd be worried about catching a charge, either in SC, or NC, or any other state, once my driver's license said SC DMV on it, and I was still hanging onto a NC CWP. Even if it was legal, it would likely lead to a delayed depature, and possibly a trip downtown, if the LEO isn't up to speed, and thinks it's illegal. Maybe an LEO can chime in on that too, coz like I said, I don't think a NC CWP is any good anymore once you move out of state. I was on the bubble too when I was buying my HG, and getting my CWP. NC has (currently) far more reciprocity than SC's CWP, and I would rather have had that one. I had bought my house here, but still have addresses in NC, but I figured the straight and narrow was the best way for something like this, and w/ my intentions to really live in SC, I got my SC CWP. They're working on some legislation to hopefully increase our reciprocity w/ more states. If that doesn't happen, I may look to get a non-resident from another state to overlap my resident SC permit, like maybe from Florida, so I can go to Florida, GA, AL, etc. Anyway, just thought about that, thought I'd mention it as something worth looking into if you carry. You know w/ or w/out out a permit, in SC, you cannot open carry ever, and only w/ a CWP can you CC, and you cannot have the weapon in plain site in your car, it must be in a COMPARTMENT, totally opposite of NC which cannot be in a compartment. So, if your NC permit was invalid, you can see how easily you could get in trouble in either state, either having a gun on you or in your car. karz |
I had wanted to get a CWP and had second thoughts after a thread posted on here. This is my thinking... This may be a stretch, but if somehow, the gun grabbers were to call for a total ban whether it be through an executive order for martial law, or in some other state of emergency, or God forbid they were to successfully repeal the 2nd Amendment, then where do you think they would look first? I think they would pull permits and records which would lead them to definate gun owners. Short of that, as I understand it from some of the LEO's on here, let's say I hop in my car one morning to go to the grocery for some eggs sans my gun which I left at home. I get pulled over for whatever reason and the guy runs my license. If the CWP was issued in the same state as my license, then a flag pops up stating that I'm a CWP holder. Since I left my gun at home, there would be no reason to declare it to the officer and at that point he asks me if I'm carrying to which I answer "not today officer". Well, in the opinion of some, that is grounds for a complete search of me and my vehicle ignoring the fact that I have demonstrated by responsibility to properly and legally carry a weapon. In other words, my word could be taken as BS and I would then be under undue responsibility to prove that I'm not lying. Even though I don't have anything to hide from the officer, why the hell do I need that hassle??? As for carrying in my car, when I go to or from work, my gun is either laying on the seat or in the glove box according to which side of the line I'm on. Upon crossing that state line, I take the appropriate action. According to all I've been told, this is the correct action and i'm 100% legal without being scrutinized simply by holding a CWP from either state which may only heighten the suspicions of an LEO. Frankly I think the CWP issue is beyond stupidity if it's true, because people who obtain one should be the furthest from suspicion in my humble opinion. If jumping through all the hoops and paying the fees isn't worth something, then why do it? |
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Well, I understand your concerns. It's a double edged sword, no doubt. I've managed until now, to keep my prints out of any system for over 30 yrs, but had to submit them for the CWP. Things like this don't make me happy. However, in light of the way things have gone, I'm not comfortable having to go to the house or the car to get a weapon in every instance, and this was the only way, particularly in SC, that I could accomplish having a weapon on my person while out and about. And to me, it's WAY too easy to catch a charge w/out one. Like you said, putting the weapon on your seat in NC *should* be legal. For several reasons, I keep tinted windows on all my cars, to the then legal NC limit. I roll them down if pulled over, and would be courteous to an officer in such case. Someone in my SC CWP class thought he was legal in NC having the weapon on the dash in plain site, and rolled down his tinted windows when approached by the officer, but still caught a concealed weapons charge because the weapon was not in plain sight, as a result of his tinted windows. This is just one example of how something you overlook could result in a charge, especially as you go between states, etc. Not to mention the fact that to me it's not my idea of preferred handling practices to be moving around a loaded weapon while driving from the console to the seat etc., and it's difficult to keep a gun safely secured in plain sight (NC's law is stupid IMO in this regard), if for no other reason, to not have a loaded gun flying around in an accident (believe me, I know, I was involved in an accident one time where my truck flipped over multiple times on an interstate, and everything in the vehicle not attached to me was strung across the interstate for 100+ yards, even things locked in my tool box that got destroyed in the process), and the fact that I have a 4 yo, I'd just as soon keep it on my person or locked in the console. Also, in the hectic pace of life w/ a kid, a business, and *interesting* in-laws, I find too many times where circumstances change quickly resulting in a vehicle change between the wife and I, sometimes while away from home, where we meet up somewhere, ride w/ each other, switch cars for various reasons or whatever, and I wanted my wife to have the CWP too, so if she ended up driving my vehicle w/ a weapon in it, I wouldn't have to worry about her catching a charge, or transporting it in and out of the glovebox or console as we cross the state line. I should mention that we live w/in a few miles of the border, and she works on the other side of the line, and we have numerous interests on the other side of the line, so we may go back and forth multiple times a day, making it more of a burden for us, regarding the plain sight NC law, and the compartment SC law. I'm not arguing with you or trying to change your opinion, I'm just merely openly sharing some of my reasoning and motivating factors. I just felt that it covered more of my bases to have the CWP, especially going between NC/SC, as well as other states as reciprocity is added. I'm concerned about the round up as well, but the reality is, whether or not you're on *the list*, if a particular weapon or practice is later considered illegal, it will be just as illegal for someone not on the list, as someone on the list, so it's just a matter of who they come to first potentially. And I'm sure people that are concerned about such things will have alternative options they have prepared if someone comes for the things that are known about. And again, if you choose to protect the now banned item, you're still at risk moving forward. And at that point, I figure we're all pretty much in the same boat. I pray that we all work to ensure our liberties remain intact, regardless of whether we pursue all aspects of them, such as CWP, etc. At any rate, good luck in SC, I like it so far! And let us know how that transfer works out, I'm really interested to know what you find the process to be, in case it ever comes up for me, since as I said, we have a lot of dealings on both sides of the line, so it could come up for me at some point. Regards, karz |
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Oh I agree with you, a CWP would be a handy thing to have indeed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but on your own property you're allowed to carry open or concealed? Just if approached by law enforcement you have to disclose the fact to him right off the bat. I'll let you know how the transfer thing plays out. I'm going to stop by Discount Gun which happens to be on my way to and from work and see what they have to say. I'm trying to avoid paying more than I have to since we're only talking about a little makarov here and it sounds like this could get expensive depending on who I use here and or there to do the transfer. |
You're asking about carrying on your property w/ out a CWP? Well, I saw a link on packing.org to some SC laws regarding this, and it did allow you to carry on your own property, can't remember if there was a stipulation either way regarding concealment, but I *think* you're right, either way is ok... It's probably in my CWP manual too. As for using your weapon in SC in SD, you have a pretty broad castle doctrine regarding your home and, as I recall, your curtilage, as they put it, which I was told meant if you have a lot of land, you may not be under that same castle doctrine out on the back 40, as you would when you are closer to, or in your home, so to speak. But in simple terms, someone's trying to break into your house, is already in your house, is on your land near your house, tries to enter your vehicle, or tries to remove you from your vehicle, any of this is a violation of your castle and justifies a foreceful response. Some people say the castle doctrine is more clear cut in SC, than the law in NC. Someone just posted something about this in another thread, and NCpatrol was saying you don't have to retreat in your own home in NC, but the law is a little more vague about some of these things in NC, than in SC, IMO, the SC law on protecting yourself on your property or in your car, leave less room for an overzealous DA to come after you in a SD situation...FWIW I wish I had the links I'm thinking of handy. Oh well, hope that helps, good luck at the gun store... Karz |