Posted: 5/28/2013 2:34:12 PM EDT
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I was shooting a bunch of this. It is cheap...I know... it seem like it has less power then Wolf. It did not recoil enough toi get the next round to feed and hung up in the breech.
I only shot 10 boxes, but it happened maybe 8 times. Have any of you had this problem with this ammo? Thank |
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It was TULA 7.62x39. I only had a few do it at one time, then it shot fine. I am not trashing the round, just thinking it was a couple in a batch. I usually suspect the rifle or Mags, but it did great up to that point and after those few rounds. I had only one primer disintegrate and not fire in thousands of rounds of WOLF ammo, so just wondering.
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My AR won't cycle Tula .223. Not enough oomph. Your AR is a POS... the most common issue associated with the offbreed ammo is stuck cases... Gun Cycles just fine. but cases get stuck because they don't have a spec that anyone is aware of. If your gun doesn't work due to not enough gas then there is something wrong with your gun... honest injun... most common is the case rim getting torn off. I have videos of the manufacture of 7.62x39 in eastern europe... compared to the way we do it they are stone age... Even the way we did it at Lake City in 1939 when the plant opened was more modern that the way they do it. The Testing is even MORE fun... there are no accuracy tests, just basic very basic function tests. Where we use gun mounts and keep the employee away from the weapon in the event of a catastrophic failure they have literally a hole in the wall and a folding chair! Bin of loaded mags or Belts... |
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I don't make a habit of running Tula or any other steel case...
But my "Battle Rifles"... The stuff that I'd grab if SHTF and I needed a reliable weapon... Will cycle literally anything I put in them. ETA: I have "target / varmint" rifles that I wouldn't trust to do the same is what I'm getting at. I even tossed a bunch of ammo in the gravel once, scraped it around, loaded it into mags and then ran it through my DDM V5... Ate it all without so much as hiccup. If your rifle won't run it Grin... Your rifle needs work. |
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My AR turns into a single shot with Tula. A switch to Federal or some Lake City ammo and it functions flawlessly. I wont buy it anymore. Yay! Our ARs are both pieces of shit because they won't cycle with very clearly underpowered ammo! HIGH FIVE!!!! I'm starting to understand why so many people give you shit. 
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My AR turns into a single shot with Tula. A switch to Federal or some Lake City ammo and it functions flawlessly. I wont buy it anymore. Yay! Our ARs are both pieces of shit because they won't cycle with very clearly underpowered ammo! HIGH FIVE!!!! I'm starting to understand why so many people give you shit.
Why? If my rifle were to cycle reliably with Tula it would be severely overgassed with the M193 and Fusion I keep loaded in my mags. |
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My AR turns into a single shot with Tula. A switch to Federal or some Lake City ammo and it functions flawlessly. I wont buy it anymore. Yay! Our ARs are both pieces of shit because they won't cycle with very clearly underpowered ammo! HIGH FIVE!!!! I'm starting to understand why so many people give you shit.
Why? If my rifle were to cycle reliably with Tula it would be severely overgassed with the M193 and Fusion I keep loaded in my mags. Because you're a smartass when people are just trying to help you. Odd though regarding your statement... Mine cycles tula just fine... and isn't "severely overgassed" on 193 or anything else I feed it... Guess my rifles are junk and not yours. LOL |
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My AR turns into a single shot with Tula. A switch to Federal or some Lake City ammo and it functions flawlessly. I wont buy it anymore. Yay! Our ARs are both pieces of shit because they won't cycle with very clearly underpowered ammo! HIGH FIVE!!!! I'm starting to understand why so many people give you shit.
Why? If my rifle were to cycle reliably with Tula it would be severely overgassed with the M193 and Fusion I keep loaded in my mags. Because you're a smartass when people are just trying to help you. Odd though regarding your statement... Mine cycles tula just fine... and isn't "severely overgassed" on 193 or anything else I feed it... Guess my rifles are junk and not yours. LOL Heh. My rifle has midlength gas with a relatively tight gas port. I suspect if Tula were brass cased it would cycle fine, like PMC Bronze, which the member I bought my upper from chronoed as being about the same velocities as Tula, but without the slow response of the steel case to pressure changes. |
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Or your AR is a POS . Pretty sure it's not, with the components that are in it. So you're "that guy" who see's the evidence... But chooses to ignore it because "I bought the good stuff... And the good stuff is never broken!"... Go on thinking that then... But the majority of the guys in this thread have told you there is something wrong. Ignore that wisdom if you want. |
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Or your AR is a POS . Pretty sure it's not, with the components that are in it. So you're "that guy" who see's the evidence... But chooses to ignore it because "I bought the good stuff... And the good stuff is never broken!"... Go on thinking that then... But the majority of the guys in this thread have told you there is something wrong. Ignore that wisdom if you want. I know what the issue is. My gas port is undersized for Tula's anemic powder charge. Solution, rather than modification of the rifle? Use non-Tula ammo. |
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Or your AR is a POS . Pretty sure it's not, with the components that are in it. So you're "that guy" who see's the evidence... But chooses to ignore it because "I bought the good stuff... And the good stuff is never broken!"... Go on thinking that then... But the majority of the guys in this thread have told you there is something wrong. Ignore that wisdom if you want. I know what the issue is. My gas port is undersized for Tula's anemic powder charge. Solution, rather than modification of the rifle? Use non-Tula ammo. If that's an acceptable solution for you... Great. I would not accept it. |
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I would not accept it. That is within your rights. I don't subscribe to the "My rifle has to shoot even the shittiest of shitty import steel-cased ammo" way of AR-wizardry. I like my rifle to be a softer shooter with full-power military ammunition, with a FA carrier and a CAR buffer, so I'm not going to modify the gas port on my barrel. My rifle is, in my opinion, properly gassed for the ammo I keep and practice with. My rifle functions fine with Wolf .223, Wolf Military Classic 5.56, and the Bears, especially Silver and Golden Bear, with these two being the most consistent of the steel-cased import ammo, in my personal experience. |
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Quoted: Heh. My rifle has midlength gas with a relatively tight gas port. I suspect if Tula were brass cased it would cycle fine, like PMC Bronze, which the member I bought my upper from chronoed as being about the same velocities as Tula, but without the slow response of the steel case to pressure changes. There's your problem. Non "stock" specs are causing your gun to not cycle the ammo in question. |
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I would not accept it. That is within your rights. I don't subscribe to the "My rifle has to shoot even the shittiest of shitty import steel-cased ammo" way of AR-wizardry. I like my rifle to be a softer shooter with full-power military ammunition, with a FA carrier and a CAR buffer, so I'm not going to modify the gas port on my barrel. My rifle is, in my opinion, properly gassed for the ammo I keep and practice with. My rifle functions fine with Wolf .223, Wolf Military Classic 5.56, and the Bears, especially Silver and Golden Bear, with these two being the most consistent of the steel-cased import ammo, in my personal experience.  (Josh stands here throwing a BIG ASS wrench into the whole AR gas system discussion)
I don't subscribe to the AR as a serious social weapon, My SHTF weapon is my PARA FAL, I own a couple ARs, because I have a good supply of ammo for them, and the GF will shoot the M4, there is a reason our elite forces are procuring the SCAR H, and my gas system is adjustable without drilling anything, the weapon was designed by the sucessor to the greatest firearm designer who ever lived, if JMB had designed it himself, it would have been even more badass. |
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I would not accept it. That is within your rights. I don't subscribe to the "My rifle has to shoot even the shittiest of shitty import steel-cased ammo" way of AR-wizardry. I like my rifle to be a softer shooter with full-power military ammunition, with a FA carrier and a CAR buffer, so I'm not going to modify the gas port on my barrel. My rifle is, in my opinion, properly gassed for the ammo I keep and practice with. My rifle functions fine with Wolf .223, Wolf Military Classic 5.56, and the Bears, especially Silver and Golden Bear, with these two being the most consistent of the steel-cased import ammo, in my personal experience. (Josh stands here throwing a BIG ASS wrench into the whole AR gas system discussion)
I don't subscribe to the AR as a serious social weapon, My SHTF weapon is my PARA FAL, I own a couple ARs, because I have a good supply of ammo for them, and the GF will shoot the M4, there is a reason our elite forces are procuring the SCAR H, and my gas system is adjustable without drilling anything, the weapon was designed by the sucessor to the greatest firearm designer who ever lived, if JMB had designed it himself, it would have been even more badass. As much as I like my AR and FAL, my SHTF rifle is a Vietnamese SKS. It is easy to find ammo for it even during the last panic buying episode . It requires no magazines so they can't be lost or broken. When all ammo is long gone from the face of the earth, I swing out the bayonet to continue the fight. Then there is the coolness factor of laying waste to hoards of zombies with a 45-year old rifle born in North Vietnam. Oh was somebody talking about gas ports because I just farted... 
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I would not accept it. That is within your rights. I don't subscribe to the "My rifle has to shoot even the shittiest of shitty import steel-cased ammo" way of AR-wizardry. I like my rifle to be a softer shooter with full-power military ammunition, with a FA carrier and a CAR buffer, so I'm not going to modify the gas port on my barrel. My rifle is, in my opinion, properly gassed for the ammo I keep and practice with. My rifle functions fine with Wolf .223, Wolf Military Classic 5.56, and the Bears, especially Silver and Golden Bear, with these two being the most consistent of the steel-cased import ammo, in my personal experience. (Josh stands here throwing a BIG ASS wrench into the whole AR gas system discussion)
I don't subscribe to the AR as a serious social weapon, My SHTF weapon is my PARA FAL, I own a couple ARs, because I have a good supply of ammo for them, and the GF will shoot the M4, there is a reason our elite forces are procuring the SCAR H, and my gas system is adjustable without drilling anything, the weapon was designed by the sucessor to the greatest firearm designer who ever lived, if JMB had designed it himself, it would have been even more badass. Pffft. JMB would have thrown all modularity out the window
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I would not accept it. That is within your rights. I don't subscribe to the "My rifle has to shoot even the shittiest of shitty import steel-cased ammo" way of AR-wizardry. I like my rifle to be a softer shooter with full-power military ammunition, with a FA carrier and a CAR buffer, so I'm not going to modify the gas port on my barrel. My rifle is, in my opinion, properly gassed for the ammo I keep and practice with. My rifle functions fine with Wolf .223, Wolf Military Classic 5.56, and the Bears, especially Silver and Golden Bear, with these two being the most consistent of the steel-cased import ammo, in my personal experience. (Josh stands here throwing a BIG ASS wrench into the whole AR gas system discussion)
I don't subscribe to the AR as a serious social weapon, My SHTF weapon is my PARA FAL, I own a couple ARs, because I have a good supply of ammo for them, and the GF will shoot the M4, there is a reason our elite forces are procuring the SCAR H, and my gas system is adjustable without drilling anything, the weapon was designed by the sucessor to the greatest firearm designer who ever lived, if JMB had designed it himself, it would have been even more badass. Pffft. JMB would have thrown all modularity out the window Hand fitting is the way to go! |
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I like my rifle to be a softer shooter with full-power military ammunition... Sacrificing reliability to cut down on the shoulder wrecking recoil of 5.56x45? Please tell me that you do it for the benefit of your girlfriend. Lower recoil = faster reset. You're reading into it wrong. |
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I like my rifle to be a softer shooter with full-power military ammunition... Sacrificing reliability to cut down on the shoulder wrecking recoil of 5.56x45? Please tell me that you do it for the benefit of your girlfriend. Lower recoil = faster reset. You're reading into it wrong. Don't try to church it up son. |
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I would not accept it. That is within your rights. I don't subscribe to the "My rifle has to shoot even the shittiest of shitty import steel-cased ammo" way of AR-wizardry. I like my rifle to be a softer shooter with full-power military ammunition, with a FA carrier and a CAR buffer, so I'm not going to modify the gas port on my barrel. My rifle is, in my opinion, properly gassed for the ammo I keep and practice with. My rifle functions fine with Wolf .223, Wolf Military Classic 5.56, and the Bears, especially Silver and Golden Bear, with these two being the most consistent of the steel-cased import ammo, in my personal experience. (Josh stands here throwing a BIG ASS wrench into the whole AR gas system discussion)
I don't subscribe to the AR as a serious social weapon, My SHTF weapon is my PARA FAL, I own a couple ARs, because I have a good supply of ammo for them, and the GF will shoot the M4, there is a reason our elite forces are procuring the SCAR H, and my gas system is adjustable without drilling anything, the weapon was designed by the sucessor to the greatest firearm designer who ever lived, if JMB had designed it himself, it would have been even more badass. Given your VAST combat experience on multiple continents....
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