[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Uk MP5 clone.. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/28/2006 6:17:48 AM EDT
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I heard a whisper about a self ejecting 9mm MP5 clone designed for the UK market. When you fire, the bolt locks back whilst ejecting the spent case and you release the bolt with a kind of modified fire selector switch. It's rate of fire is suppost to be on par with a standard MP5 semi auto, once you've got the hang of it. Anyone else heard about this? |
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Thats what I heard too, but given that Bob's delivery times on man-op straight-pulls is poor, then how long do you reckon it would take for something more 'complicated'.  , even if it was deemed to be UK legal....I also heard its made of a special new material called unobtainium.... 
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The self-unloading rifle was first mooted several years ago. I know someone who built a self-unloading M1A for california, and on those rifle's is relatively easy and unreversable, as long as you're making the receiver from scratch. Not so easy with the AR though. Bob's idea was something electric/electronic and I doubt whether it will ever see the light of day. And if it did, I think it would cause a complete shitstorm Mark |
If they've gotten the Section 5 for Personal protection, (few and far between), Film prop supplier or PSG/Bodyguard training then there would be nothing wrong with that… ANdy |
They haven't... They are 'trader/sales' section 5's and the Home Office agrees that section 5 dealers are allowed to 'test' any weapon they may have as long the range is signed off for the calibre. You can't however, compete in comps with a S5 weapon, the same as you can't be envolved in competitions with section 7.3's either, strange, but true. |
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You won't get the parts from HK anyway, they had a hissy fit about the one that you have seen that came out of Europe! And, don't think you can get them from an after market supplier as HK have closed the door on that avenue to the UK too! As Andy has already said it would require a major design change to be UK legal anyway, which would leave not at all like an MP5! THERE BETTER OPTIONS OUT THERE.............................. |
Ah but can you put a price on cool 
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[cough] I know somone who's actually shot it [/cough] and for once I'm in agreement with streetfighter - there ARE better options out there. Its quite unwieldy and not quick at all. I'd rather have a 9mm AR conversion. If you want an MP5 that bad - get an airsoft 
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[cough]......or a Whisper even  [/cough]
Actually, I did that and it is loads of fun, just don't tell anyone though. IO have a reputation to keep up, you know  |
Testing is all they are allowed to do. I personally find the fun is not in being just a trigger puller, but in competing against my previous scores and against others. A dealer's ticket (Normal RFD or Sect 5) does not allow the use of stock for competition purposes. This is a big no-no. |
Sadly it seems none of the UK AR15 vendors have the balls to try something that complicated. I've offered cash, lager, sexual favours but they're obviously too scared or just pretend gunsmiths. Richard (trying to draw a reaction) 
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It's too hard to make and they are somewhat temperamental. That's why I've been working on the Whisper. It's good, very good. The only (minor) drawback is you have to reload for it. Brass is available BTW. Everyone has a hard on for 9mm. Why?? Is it because of it's availability??? That can be the only answer. Whisper has everything going for it. Uses std mags, wide choice of bullets, can go from light subsonic loads all the way up to almost deer legal (and if you load hot enough, even that is possible) But if you really, really want a 9mm, even that is possible, depending on how much money you want to throw at it. But remember this, when it doesn't work to your satisfaction, don't come crying to me or whoever built it, because after all, it's what you wanted. Is that reaction enough?? Mark |
here we go - The NRA (rightly or wrongly) has a rule book that puts ANYTHING thats not a lever action/tube mag into its own class. The price that a whisper would cost will buy me a tricked up Marlin and an optic. For competition purposes, what does the Whisper give me that a Marlin doesn't? (apart from the 'f**k you' attitude)
As I do not hunt, I'm not going anywhere near the deer legal stuff.
RichardH, my reaction - I'm not particularly interested in owning rifles just for 'plinking'. Give me a competition circuit and I'll buy a something to compete with, be it a £200 10/22 or a £1700 F class piece, and I do not see a requirement for a 9mm rifle. There is a requirement for a 223 rifle and thats why people are building them. ETA: this post was bought to you by both Jack Daniels AND coke 
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Yes, that is true, but is it really such a problem to be in a different class? After all, didn't you shoot a stock 1911 in Practical pistol comps when you could've easily moved up to open??
I bet your standard class 1911 wasn't cheap!!
Well, AFAIK, gallery rifle comps aren't limited to 25/50M. At the Phoenix they compete back to 300yds
Au contraire (my French isn't that good so f**k knows if that's spelt correctly), actually the bullets we have been using so far have been cheap and cheerful 147gn FMJ's and 158 and 170gn lead heads. I wouldn't bother with the expensive Sierra's unless you have a reason for using them, ie LR competition. Incidentally, the loads we've been using (14gns Viht 110) are definately not subsonic and this can be verified by the RO's at Northampton last week who were asking "are you sure that's within the range limitations"??  The rest of the detail were using air rifles....at a gun club.  As for reloading, as I said, brass is available and as the cases are so small, there's not much sizing required and so far, I've not been using case lube. So the process is quite painless
I was merely stating the versatility of the cartridge Mark |
You offered Fat Bob sexual favours?    
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There must be a load of SGC 9mm LA9's knocking around the place as well... |
He has stopped - but there must be any number of used ones around. I've seen them reasonably frequently in GunMart... |
Shame I missed you Mark, they do get somewhat twitchy about range limits. That said theres much worse in store should you try to use more than 20 rounds or fire more than 1 shot per 2 minute interval. Richard |
Ah but that has that hideous 1911 grip held on with a bit of white plastic and weird cocking action, I spoke to the large one about buying one a couple of years ago and even he told me they were troublesome and only worthwhile in .30 carbine. Someone has loaned me a functioning UK spec bolt action 9mm, sadly its creator isnt over keen to build another  Richard |
IMO Bobs LA series of Lever Actions represents the most radical AR redesign yet seen for shooters in the UK ? Admittedly, they're not for everyone (including the price, which would buy you at least 2 marlins) but they do work well in .30, never tried one in 9mm however. |
Let me rephrase......... None of the UK AR-Smiths offer a straight pull 9mm One or two certainly exist but theres no appetite to build more. Richard |
Richardh does, even after hours of trying to convince him that the Whisper's better Oh well................. But we are hatching a plan, even though it might take some time Mark |
Would be good for indoor range use to keep familiar with the action. I'd like one just purely on the basis that no-one else does. |
Stay away from me evil Mr 26, every time I see you theres something else I "need". That gun of yours on closer inspection actually drew blood  Richard |
How do you mean?? I've know of a couple of lever action fullbore rifles, such as the Browning BLR type. One is in .30-06 but Armalon made a .223 BLR lever action that used Mini14 mags. It seemed reasonably good............if you could live with the looks |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Uk MP5 clone.. (Page 1 of 2)
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