Posted: 9/13/2011 8:06:31 AM EDT
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So, what gives? Educate me here. It looks like just another way unions are looking to increase their payrolls and line their own pockets with compulsory dues. If providers still negotiate prices with the parents, what benefits will the union supposedly be providing?
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I'm just trying to understand what the union's belief or their propaganda is saying that this will benefit anyone. The article was unusally sparse with its parroting the union line. I just plain don't get how unionizing in home daycare workers can even pretend to benefit the workers.
Also, is there any precendence for such an EO that would require people join a union? If I were governor, could I require everyone to join the NRA? |
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It all starts out slow, the union tells the providers they can offer legal protection in the event there is a lawsuit from a parent. Then the union will provide health coverage, benefits and even a 401K. Once the providers are sucked into the system that's when the union tells the providers what they can and cannot do. The entire time the cost to the parent goes up and up for the same service. Could you imagine if the daycare providers would strike? We only had 3 choices in our small town. 1. The provider who sits in her garage all day smoking cigarettes. 2. A community daycare center, where the kids get yelled at a lot and forced to sit in front of the TV all day. 3. Our choice, the stay at home mom who's highest education is high school. The house is clean, she treats the kids good and only allows an hour of TV a day. We have been going there for 6 years now and she has only raised the price once, when the county pressured her to raise he prices to be more in-line with everyone else. When I lost my job 2 years ago, and while looking for work, she held our spots at no cost and would watch our kids for free when I had an interview. |
| My wife does in home daycare. There were a few representatives from the one of the unions in our town last fall trying to recruit daycare providers into joining. My wife was harassed by them because she is the president of the local daycare association, which is basically sets up classes and training for daycare providers. The union reps wanted to give a recruiting talk at one of the training sessions, but she wouldn't let them. They are very persistent and even went as far as telling other providers that she had given an endorsement to the union. They really had a hard time taking no for an answer, but pretty much all of the area providers told them to pound sand. |
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I'd be OK with requiring licenses with criminal background checks and safety inspections of the home daycares, but I imagine that's already being done. Unions? I think you answered your own question on this, Todd! $$$$$ The in home daycare provider we used for a while had to be licensed. I don't remember all of the requirements, but she had inspections at least once per year and some training requirements. She had to meet most of the safety requirements you could imagine some one caring for children would have to meet. She could also be dropped in on for "surprise" inspections. She was also given lists of all levels of sex offenders in the area. I believe Anoka county even required access to an outdoor play area within 1500 feet of the daycare. I was kind of surprised at how much was required. |
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I'd be OK with requiring licenses with criminal background checks and safety inspections of the home daycares, but I imagine that's already being done. Unions? I think you answered your own question on this, Todd! $$$$$ The in home daycare provider we used for a while had to be licensed. I don't remember all of the requirements, but she had inspections at least once per year and some training requirements. She had to meet most of the safety requirements you could imagine some one caring for children would have to meet. She could also be dropped in on for "surprise" inspections. She was also given lists of all levels of sex offenders in the area. I believe Anoka county even required access to an outdoor play area within 1500 feet of the daycare. I was kind of surprised at how much was required. There are a whole lot of regulations, inspections, required training, etc. Everyone living in the house over the age of 13 needs to get a background check. Even with all of that there are still some really shitty daycares operating. |
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My wife does in home daycare. There were a few representatives from the one of the unions in our town last fall trying to recruit daycare providers into joining. My wife was harassed by them because she is the president of the local daycare association, which is basically sets up classes and training for daycare providers. The union reps wanted to give a recruiting talk at one of the training sessions, but she wouldn't let them. They are very persistent and even went as far as telling other providers that she had given an endorsement to the union. They really had a hard time taking no for an answer, but pretty much all of the area providers told them to pound sand. What benefits did the union reps say the union would/could provide? |
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My wife does in home daycare. There were a few representatives from the one of the unions in our town last fall trying to recruit daycare providers into joining. My wife was harassed by them because she is the president of the local daycare association, which is basically sets up classes and training for daycare providers. The union reps wanted to give a recruiting talk at one of the training sessions, but she wouldn't let them. They are very persistent and even went as far as telling other providers that she had given an endorsement to the union. They really had a hard time taking no for an answer, but pretty much all of the area providers told them to pound sand. What benefits did the union reps say the union would/could provide? Their main selling point was that they would be able to lobby for better state laws to benefit in home providers, like mandatory paid vacations, mandatory minimum pay, state sponsored insurance coverage, etc. It sounded like their ultimate goal was to make all daycares equal as far as rates and benefits go. |
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My wife does in home daycare. There were a few representatives from the one of the unions in our town last fall trying to recruit daycare providers into joining. My wife was harassed by them because she is the president of the local daycare association, which is basically sets up classes and training for daycare providers. The union reps wanted to give a recruiting talk at one of the training sessions, but she wouldn't let them. They are very persistent and even went as far as telling other providers that she had given an endorsement to the union. They really had a hard time taking no for an answer, but pretty much all of the area providers told them to pound sand. What benefits did the union reps say the union would/could provide? Their main selling point was that they would be able to lobby for better state laws to benefit in home providers, like mandatory paid vacations, mandatory minimum pay, state sponsored insurance coverage, etc. It sounded like their ultimate goal was to make all daycares equal as far as rates and benefits go.  Exactly what I thought!
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Won't work. Most in-home daycare providers are self-employed one person businesses. Employment law around unionization requires you unionize the workers, not the employer. EOs can't break law. Nice try Governor. Just because we interpret the law that way doesn't mean Dayton will, the Union obviously doesn't. If the providers really want support at the state, why don't they create an association and have the association represent their interests? That's what real estate agent's did by creating the National Association of Realtors. |
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Won't work. Most in-home daycare providers are self-employed one person businesses. Employment law around unionization requires you unionize the workers, not the employer. EOs can't break law. Nice try Governor. Just because we interpret the law that way doesn't mean Dayton will, the Union obviously doesn't. If the providers really want support at the state, why don't they create an association and have the association represent their interests? That's what real estate agent's did by creating the National Association of Realtors. Settled case law at the SCOTUS level, dude. Most providers were duped into signing a card asking for more information that was actually a union "card check type of" pettition. |
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From what I have been hearing in the news and from talking to others, it sounds like the union's are mainly going after the daycare centers, not the in home providers. They are going after the employees not the business owners that do not employ anyone. Has anyone heard different? |
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From what I have been hearing in the news and from talking to others, it sounds like the union's are mainly going after the daycare centers, not the in home providers. They are going after the employees not the business owners that do not employ anyone. Has anyone heard different? No they were going after all the local in home daycare providers in my area. |
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A friend of mine runs an in-home daycare and he says they've been getting hounded by the unions for a couple years now.
This is just so unbelievable to me an INDUSTRY can be unionized against many people's wishes. Unionizing workers at a single company I guess I can understand even if I disagree with, but to force all workers in an entire industry to join a union just seems wrong on a lot of levels. Whatever happened to free markets? Free choice? Fuck Dayton and fuck the unions involved in this sham. |
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This whole deal is a scheme to funnel taxpayer money into the teacher's union. 14 states have forced private home daycare providers into the union promising health care and pensions to get a few of them to sign up. The health care and pensions never materialize as promised but the union dues always get implemented right away. The union negotiates with their buddies in the government and get higher childcare assistance reimbursement rates for the parents. Union dues are taken directly from the childcare assistance payments. Makes it a wash for the daycare provider but routes millions of dollars from taxpayers into the unions.
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Settled case law at the SCOTUS level, dude. Most providers were duped into signing a card asking for more information that was actually a union "card check type of" pettition. If it was truly as cut and dry as you say, wouldn't the unions be going after some other group of people instead of wasting their time on the self-employed in-home daycare providers? I don't know what the union's argument would be that makes the in-home providers exempt from the case law, but I imagine they have one. I have also heard that a lot of the providers signing those cards didn't wholly understand what they were signing, like you're saying. |
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Won't work. Most in-home daycare providers are self-employed one person businesses. Employment law around unionization requires you unionize the workers, not the employer. EOs can't break law. Nice try Governor. Just because we interpret the law that way doesn't mean Dayton will, the Union obviously doesn't. If the providers really want support at the state, why don't they create an association and have the association represent their interests? That's what real estate agent's did by creating the National Association of Realtors. Settled case law at the SCOTUS level, dude. Most providers were duped into signing a card asking for more information that was actually a union "card check type of" pettition. If this is settled law, why is it that 14 states have recently unionized private home daycares? Most of these by executive order. |
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If this is settled law, why is it that 14 states have recently unionized private home daycares? Most of these by executive order. Good question. I heard that on Davis and Emmer this morning, too and it made me quesiton what I had heard and posted earlier (I hate it when I'm wrong  ). I also heard from one of their guests that the EO would violate current labor law and would be unconstitutional.
Clearly the local media are not doing a very good job of covering this issue. A few links: http://www.startribune.com/opinion/editorials/129995838.html https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=179A.03 http://www.scribd.com/doc/64986624/Legal-background-for-unionizing-daycares-in-Minnesota http://www.letfreedomringblog.com/?p=11204 |
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The daycare providers for unionizing are the ones who get government assistance and/or have the majority of their kids on state reimbursed child care.
The daycare providers who are getting no government assistance are against it. Daycare providers set their own hours, their own pay rate, their own days off, their own paid holidays, their own non-paid days off, their own schedules, etc. The unions can only do something for daycares with parents on governmental assistance. |