[ARCHIVED THREAD] - VAHTF Training Class I for 2007 (Page 1 of 7)
Posted: 1/31/2007 3:16:55 AM EDT
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VA_Gunnut or RobertM Please tack this for us. We're discussing putting on our own Training Classes for Basic Shooting, Navigation, Personal Protection, and maybe some Adavanced Shooting. We're not sure exactly what we're going to do yet so feel free to throw in your own thoughts and desires. Here's a link to the original thread which gave birth to this latest activity: Birth Thread It looks like we might have three guys who generously are willing to donate their time and skills to help us out. Thanks to Bladerunner, rifle-cop624, and Blackfox. What do you guys say about having one or more of these different training classes? 1. Basic Shooting (there seems to be some significant interest in this). 2. Personal Protection, 3. Advanced Shooting 4. Navigation We can also throw in an optional camping and cookout event which just happens to be my own area of expertise  Okay, let's have the ideas on what you all want to do! |
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As I mentioned in the other thread, I think a land navigation course would be of considerable value. Most of us know how to shoot (to some extent) but how many of us can make our way through a forest with nothing but a map and a compass? I doubt I could even do it with a GPS. An intro to tactical shooting would also be very useful. I would really like to learn how to accurately engage multiple targets using rifle and pistol and learn how to properly transition between the two. The club I belong to frowns upon having a loaded rifle and pistol on your person at the same time so I can't really practice it up here. MJD |
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this all sounds awesome to me. I checked all the boxes, but i suppose hoping to learn Basic Shooting and Advanced Shooting in the same day might be a stretch. Really i just want to get the holes consistently in the paper, and then i'll work on becoming "advanced."
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Doc Are you an MD, PA, IDC, EMT, or ? I ask out of a concern for medical coverage during training. |
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Anything we do is better than nothing! I haven't shot the rifle much in a while and would like to try to do some basic stuff. Fundamentals never go out of style. Any of the guys who went to Blackwater should be able to help us out with some meaningful drills. Tagged for further development. |
| If you folks are interested I might be of service to help with training. I teach firearm tactics, SWAT Basic and Advanced for DCJS. I'm a state certified instructor and I've taught firearm techniques from the novice to the Tier One operator level. If you are near NOVA I'd be happy to help. I must say I am working with Northern Virginia Tactical (www.nvtactical.com) now, so this wouldn't be without benefit to me. If I do a good job maybe some of you will be interested in more formal training through us or at least a kind word in the forum. Anyway, I love to shoot and to teach so if you guys are near enough give me a holler. |
It's a good idea, let's see if there is any more interest. MJD *Edit* tacmed105, if we do manage to get a class together, would you be able to tell us what kind of materials, targets and other equipment we would need to make the class a success? Bladerunner, your advice would be helpful too since you've been to many of these firearm training sessions. You two sound like you know how the pros do it. MJD |
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It is looking like a LONG LIST of stuff to try to squeeze into a WEEKEND. If the choices are so varied, maybe it might need to be a 3-day event? Here is my list of needs: 1. Carbine Defensive Training: I know how to shoot... I just need EXPERT advice in malfunction drills, transistions, property defense (use of cover and the shooting positions that they require), moving/patrol with carbines, and LIGHT TACTICS. Basically, the trouble areas I MIGHT be confronted with by robbers, prowlers, trespassers or mobs of zombies (sorry, couldn't resist). Then given a brief run through of areas that I can practice on my own. Two days goes real fast... I want to get in the stuff you can't learn on your own, not spend hours on accurate double taps. 2. Pistol Defensive Traing: I need expert advice on how to clear a home SAFELY when a bump is heard in the night. This is, IMO, REAL LIFE stuff, as I cannot forsee a carbine being my #1 choice when I am awoken at 2am by a sound at the back door (plus my carbine is in the safe, not in my bedroom). Use of a weapon light. This may be hard to do in the woods, so maybe this is not the venue for such training, as the need for doors, wallls, rooms, etc... are required. 3. Land Nav is very interesting, but my fat a$$ may slow some hard core wilderness trekkers down... I don't want to be the lead weight... literally. 4. WILDERNESS EMERGENCY MEDICAL training: This is one of the areas I cannot ever get enough of as INJURIES or ILLNESSES are probably the #1 reason I may find myself in a SURVIVAL situation in the woods, besides getting lost. I'm talking REAL INTENSE training, not slap a bandage on and get to the nearest hospital kind of stuff. Things like; broken bones, cut veins/arteries, deep cuts, bleeding, SHOCK, animal bites, emergency suturing, emergency airways, etc... Basically, the stuff you won't find in a Red Cross class... That is my thoughts on my needs.... Or, I'm cool with just carbine training. You can never get enough... Rmpl |
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Highwayman, Once you decide on a training, I can come up with the list of logistics. Target stands and targets (8" circles, threat, "Q") and spray paint pretty much do it all. If you can get barricades that would be great. I'm flexible. I just like to get out and train. Ross, I can do a basic awareness talk and bring out some toys, but a full on course is labor intensive, read-"I have to bring a lot of crap." If you are interested in a full course check us out, www.nvtactical.com, we have a five day course to train tactical medics. We are also looking at adding a one day operator first aid course and a three day basic tac medic course if there is an interest. |
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Rather than try to stuff to much into one time frame, it seems that just sticking to one topic, whether it be basic handgun, land nav, carbine, call for fire, or whatever would be the better way to go. Just one or two topica at a time. I'd much rather spend some quality time on one topic, and have fun before, during and after, than two days of "Sgt's time" trying to cram in too many things. tacmed105-yeah, I was more refering to a full course meal on medical, rather than throwing it in with other topics. I'll be checking out the website. Thanks. |
I agree with this, I would rather concentrate on one topic to get proficient (or at least has the basics to work toward that) then to get a quick hands on "demo" of a bunch of topics. |
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I could assist with the Basic Shooting, and Land Nav courses if the instructors wanted. My training is from: US Army Basic Training: Expert Marksman Rifle CQB training conducted overseas: I lived (thats gotta count for something  )Basic Pistol Shooting from DCJS for Law Enforcement Officers Lots of Land Nav courses, and I scored 3 out of 6 on the Special Forces Land Nav course at Ft. Pickett (though that was with a compass, i think you guys are just doing GPS?) let me know if i can help, i would definitely participate (sparetime willing) if my assistance isn't needed. I probably am nowhere near most people here as far as shooting or being able to instruct shooters, but I can find my way damn near anywhere and i Ruck like a champ. |
Compass, I think I remember those! I definately think any land nav. training needs to start with the compass, basics first. To me the GPS should be a later class. |
Agreed. If we do a land-nav I think we should only allow compass. If you don't know how to use one well (like me), and your GPS goes on the blink, you're kinda screwed. It's just like with long division, you should know how to do it by hand before you use the calculator. MJD |
4th of july week ?? That gives me 9 days off from work. I'm not trying to live at this course for the week, but seems that week is far enough away to get things hammered out, and can be 3 or more days without employer hassles. Basically I'm interested in this ho-ha for the formal instruction with my m4gry. The last time I was 'trained' with a firearm was @ Boy Scouts summer camp. So really I've been self-trained on the AR platform, and I know that there is heaps that I don't know about the Black Rifle. Now land-nav I just pay attention to where I'm going. I'm not being sarcastic, but hey as long as I got the Sun's path of travel @ day, & Taurus @ night, then I know what direction I'm facing. And I bet I remember how to use the compass from my BS days. MEDIC!! That needs to be a part of this IMHO. Not that I carry a med-kit around with me ( let alone one that is geared to gunshot wounds ). But not everybody knows how to set splints, treat shock, hypothermia, tourniquets, etc.... And even if you did know at one time, on a subject like this a refresher is a good thing. But lets keep it simulations only Transitions? It appears I need a handgun, and holster (which I lack). Well time to hit Town Gun Supply soon. Holster type suggestions? Back, Shoulder, Belt, Ankle, etc...??? |
| Im a Mechanicsville BRL (black rifle lover) who could Definantly use some refresher/new courses under my belt. I would love to take the basic rifle class and maybe the medical one, the land nav is cool but a maybe at this point.Please post the who's , what's, and where's for this shindig, maybe I can get a few more takers on this. |
Me neither, I have to send up some $$ up in smoke that day.  Link to some old photos |
| Have a date or dates been decided yet? This thread was really moving, then it kind of hit a lull. Our training schedule for 2007 is out (www.nvtactical.com) and I need to plan this training event around it. I've seen 4th of July as an option, but I think most people plan on spending that holiday with family. How about the Spring? |
Things are still up in the air for now. Waiting to hear back from RV1861 regarding some issues that have come up. Hopefully we can take care of them. Standby. MJD |
Thanks for the offer. We're still exploring possible topics and schedules. We'll post up more info when it's available. Oh yeah, the issues I mentioned a few posts back have been resolved. Let's hear when you all would like to do this training. Depending on how much is taught, it would probably be best to schedule it on a 3-day weekend. Which days are Federal Holidays in the spring/summer? It has to be at least 30 days away from today to allow for necessary planning and range maintenance. As we found out from the first Virginia Blastfest, it's hot as hell in July and the mayflies are evil that time of year. Whatever we do, it must be done before deer season. That's really far away so I doubt it will be a problem. MJD |
I agree this needs to happen before summer and doing it over a 3-4 day weekend is the way to go. That pretty much makes the Memorial Day weekend the only available holiday before summer. Memorial Day is 28 May. |
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Memorial Day weekend sounds like a good date to shoot for and we should have most issues resolved by that time. If we want to do this we'll need to finalize our plans on what we'll do, who does what, etc. Not to mention getting our playground cleared up for fun. Sounds like we need a leader, someone who has done/participated in this type activity before and has a general knowledge of how to organize such. Any volunteers? |
| I used to be my company's "cruise director". I would plan the corporate parties and gatherings, hire the caterers, book the space, and do whatever else was needed to make the event happen. I'm probably not the best person to lead this type of planning since I don't know how these classes work, but I'd be happy to volunteer as an assistant to whoever is in charge. MJD |
Man! Forget shooting, let's take a boat ride instead! Dibs on being bartender! |
This seems to interest a lot of folks including my wife and daughter who is 28, very attractive and a great kid and yes: her dad is armed and very watchful I hope we can do the basic thing too. |
Hot damn! You mean I might actually get to meet this mystery daughter? Is she coming from New York on a weekend pass or did you manage to get her back down here for good? MJD |
 You know she doesn't really exist right? The pictures are fakes
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All There are some here that have conflicts with the Memorial Day weekend. Since there are no other holidays between now and then I am curious what the interest would be in doing this as a 3 day training event with 1 day being at the individuals expense (personal/vacation day). I for one will take vacation to help set this up and participate. The bottom line is, each of the below have expressed some level of interest in participating. The question is would you be willing to make this a Friday, Saturday, Sunday training event? Most of the courses I have attended require this and individuals participating just "cowboy up" and take the Friday as a vacation day. If we can put this together, participants will be getting the equivalent of at least a $300 to $500 course for free. I know that all 29 of the individuals listed will not be able to attend, but I think many of us can somehow take 1 day off work for something like this. I for one will. My thoughts would be to focus training on Basic Pistol (1 day), Basic Carbine (1 Day), and First Aid (1 day). I defer land nav to another date, that's relatively easy to set up as a stand alone training event and could be done over a weekend. The labor and logistics support of a firearms training event really drives us to focus on spending most of the time (2/3) on firearms training. Once I clear my ideas with RV, I will post more details. We can camp almost right on the range area, so no one should be out for a hotel etc. If you have ever attended one of the Blastfest's you know that RV won't let anyone go hungry, so cost wise, you just need camping gear a little camp food, guns/ammo, and time off. Interested Individuals: Reel Virginian bowhuntr09 highwayman ANGST BiggiBen Shadow6 dport fiend MissFiend VTHOKIESHOOTER Squib KeenEdge Bladerunner PVFD304 riverguides tacmed105 rockin_a_sig voodochild Ross JustOneMore Rmplstlskn sharps54 crodeo 21BoomCBTENGR 4sng_Respawnz ronin70 Gloworm19 The_Rock EJWEMS |
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I'm in. I concur in regards to the emphasis being on tactical pistol/rifle and med training. Day/Night LAN NAV is relatively easy to set up (pace count, azimuths, etc.), but wouldn't be one of my top choices at this point in time. Standing By for a DTG and a grid (preferably a 10 digit)...  . I traded some of my target stands for some ammo...so, I'm left w/ only 4. Just let me know how many you need and if you want them w/ varying heights. I have my trauma bag on hand (BiggiBen - do you think we can rape EVMS for some supplies? I need to replenish my supply... lol ).-Doc |
| Taking a day off should be doable, if not Memorial Day weekend (I guess it would be May 26-28) how about May 11-13? April 6-8 and 20-22 also work for me but they allow less lead time. I would actually rather do 1 or 2 day courses concentrating on just one subject at a time. If we just did Sat/Sun we could do a 1 day pistol/1 day carbine and then the next time do a 1 day first aid/1 day land nav for example. I understand free time is of a premium for most of us so I can see the desire to do a 3 day. We have already put in our leave dates for this year but I should be able to swap a day here and there to get a 3 day. |