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8/3/2006 12:40:23 PM EDT
What age do I have to be to get NFA goodies, like a suppressor?  Anyone know?
8/3/2006 2:01:27 PM EDT
[#1]
twenty one
8/3/2006 5:59:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Well, shit.  No goodies for me, then.

Guess that means I have three years to save up for that RDIAS.
8/4/2006 5:54:01 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Well, shit.  No goodies for me, then.

Guess that means I have three years to save up for that RDIAS.


you better save hard and fast,  chances are the price will climb faster than you can save.
8/4/2006 8:11:17 AM EDT
[#4]
I don't think I could save up the 10+ grand they're going for now in the next three years.  I'd keep spending it to enlarge my woefully small collection.
8/7/2006 1:47:48 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
twenty one


Thats not entirely true bomber.  It is thought of as such...but there is a loophole.  No one can transfer a Class III device to a person under 21, but the ATF will approve you making your own class III item.  It is a little known loophole, and if anyone has questions on it I can elaborate.  

-Ben
8/7/2006 8:02:12 AM EDT
[#6]
So I could get a lower that I have SBRed, but I could not buy a rifle that comes as an SBR?

Not about to try making a MG or Suppressor, though.
8/7/2006 5:31:26 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
So I could get a lower that I have SBRed, but I could not buy a rifle that comes as an SBR?

Not about to try making a MG or Suppressor, though.


You could not make a MG anyways...it is my understanding that some places will send you a suppresor that already has all the parts ready, and you just put it together, kinda like assembling you own AR, though I have never seen this personally.  And yes, you can request to SBR one of your lowers, but not have a rifle that is already a SBR transferred to you..

-Ben
8/8/2006 7:00:20 PM EDT
[#8]
Hmmm, I stand behind THEBOMBER....

My cousin(20 y/o at the end of August) tried in March of this year to SBR a AR15 and was denied, NFA branch said that you have to be 21 to legally own NFA items...they explained the law states you could file a application to make one while you were under 21 but once it was manufactured you could not possess it as you have to be 21 to possess NFA articles; by signing the Form 1 they would be making him a criminal the day he manufactured the SBR.

I heard the call on speakerphone, we didn't think it would be approved so we weren't suprised when it was rejected.
8/9/2006 9:08:21 AM EDT
[#9]
Alright, thanks guys.
8/9/2006 2:35:40 PM EDT
[#10]
That is one of the questions on the form 1 about the age. It is unknown rather you can create a corp and have possession of it.
8/10/2006 10:03:04 PM EDT
[#11]

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That is one of the questions on the form 1 about the age. It is unknown rather you can create a corp and have possession of it.


The law actually only saws it is illegal for someone to TRANSFER one to your possesion.  It might take a few calls to point that out, but it can be done.

-Ben
8/11/2006 2:41:08 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That is one of the questions on the form 1 about the age. It is unknown rather you can create a corp and have possession of it.


The law actually only saws it is illegal for someone to TRANSFER one to your possesion.  It might take a few calls to point that out, but it can be done.

-Ben



If it were me, I would not try and exploit some "loophole" in the National Firearms Act or ATF rulings based upon advise I got off the internet. Call/write the ATF and ask for a ruling in writting.

Clearly, it is ambiguous at best and IMHO given the specific age restriction on tranfers, the intent is to restrict ownership of people under 21.

YMMV......
8/13/2006 5:10:42 AM EDT
[#13]
Just a guess, but since you are manufacturing a "new" firearm under the NFA act, specifically the SBR, you are also transferring ownership of the newly manufactured SBR it to yourself which you must be 21 to do so.

I wouldn't mess around with an Internet loophole, (btw, there is no gun show loophole is there?), the ATF has double their cases recommended for prosecution in 05, not a good time to be testing loopholes if they existed.

As far as the suppressor "kit's"...no way, the ATF already says the collection of such parts is a suppressor by definition.  

Steve

8/13/2006 4:10:23 PM EDT
[#14]
Thanks for the continued input, but I'm standing by my "three years to save up for an RDIAS."

ETA: Or a damn nice 1911, hookers, and blow.