Posted: 7/25/2011 5:39:43 PM EDT
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http://triblocal.com/downers-grove/2011/07/25/police-man-called-cops-to-keep-him-from-shooting-someone-in-road-rage-incident/ He seemed to have some understanding about Illinois law with respect to keeping it unloaded. I'm guessing it was in the console or glove box unloaded. Seems like lots of stupid to go around in this story. I hope he isn't a member here. |
I used to live in Downers Grove myself and have since moved west.  Countless reasons I am glad for the move.
As much as I do not agree with Illinois firearm laws, or any firearm laws for that matter... This is not a scenario in which you could justify pulling a gun on someone. I think anyone has the RIGHT to defend themselves as they see fit. But to pull a weapon because you have road rage? Nope. |
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Hesa goin to jail...
Now what if the owner of the jeep had been armed and used the weapon after the guy slammed his pickup into the jeep would he have been justified in using a firearm? Knowing full well that the pickup driver was armed...I would think so. Not knowing if the pickup driver was armed I don't know.... Driver of the pickup needs jail time...unless there is more to the story...what caused the altercation at the traffic light? |
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Police said he showed them his FOID card and told officers he thought he was allowed to carry a gun if it was unloaded.
haha...err...no  Carry on his person or in his vehicle? The guy was probably referring to his vehicle. In IL, you can have an unloaded handgun next to a loaded mag in your center console. |
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The guy is a douchebag and has horrible judgment, no doubt about it. A good lawyer should be able to chew this case up and spit it out though. The article never says he got out of his vehicle. The other guy came up to his window. The lawyer will say his client felt threatened for his life or some bs like that, and that he took out his legally carried (in his vehicle) to protect himself. He will either get off or get a plea with a much lesser charge.
If you have a firearm in your car or on your person, you should be going out of your way to avoid dumb, unnecessary confrontations. Like road rage incidents for example. Give the guy the finger and just keep going  j/k...
EDIT: After re-reading the end of the article, the way this is worded throws me off. "By the time officers responded, Sullivan’s gun was unloaded and holstered in his pick-up truck, a report states." Holstered as in like in a legally carried place in his vehicle? Or as in being in an actual holster sitting under the seat or something like that? I'm very curious as to what the finer details are. |
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Quoted: The guy is a douchebag and has horrible judgment, no doubt about it. A good lawyer should be able to chew this case up and spit it out though. The article never says he got out of his vehicle. The other guy came up to his window. The lawyer will say his client felt threatened for his life or some bs like that, and that he took out his legally carried (in his vehicle) to protect himself. He will either get off or get a plea with a much lesser charge. If you have a firearm in your car or on your person, you should be going out of your way to avoid dumb, unnecessary confrontations. Like road rage incidents for example. Give the guy the finger and just keep going j/k...EDIT: After re-reading the end of the article, the way this is worded throws me off. "By the time officers responded, Sullivan’s gun was unloaded and holstered in his pick-up truck, a report states." Holstered as in like in a legally carried place in his vehicle? Or as in being in an actual holster sitting under the seat or something like that? I'm very curious as to what the finer details are. I don't think the manner in which he stored the pistol is at issue in this story. If it was unloaded and encased (including the console or glove box) he's not breaking the law. The moment he put the magazine in the pistol, he needs to have a pretty damn good reason for doing what he did. When Mr Sullivan rammed the Jeep while the occupants were trying to get his plate number, he ceased to be a victim in any way. If the details are correct, how stupid are the people in the Jeep? When some hothead points a gun at me, I'm not going to continue to any argument with him. Obviously they don't feel the same way, and they're lucky that Mr. Sullivan had a cool enough head to not actually shoot. |
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Quoted: Hesa goin to jail... Now what if the owner of the jeep had been armed and used the weapon after the guy slammed his pickup into the jeep would he have been justified in using a firearm? Knowing full well that the pickup driver was armed...I would think so. Not knowing if the pickup driver was armed I don't know.... Driver of the pickup needs jail time...unless there is more to the story...what caused the altercation at the traffic light? Tango7 posted the use of force laws in Illinois a couple days ago. Basically, you can't cause a hostile confrontation and then use that as a pretext to use deadly force in self-defense, unless after causing the confrontation you make reasonable attempts to cool the situation or remove yourself from the situation and the other guy still comes at you violently. |
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Hesa goin to jail... Now what if the owner of the jeep had been armed and used the weapon after the guy slammed his pickup into the jeep would he have been justified in using a firearm? Knowing full well that the pickup driver was armed...I would think so. Not knowing if the pickup driver was armed I don't know.... Driver of the pickup needs jail time...unless there is more to the story...what caused the altercation at the traffic light? Tango7 posted the use of force laws in Illinois a couple days ago. Basically, you can't cause a hostile confrontation and then use that as a pretext to use deadly force in self-defense, unless after causing the confrontation you make reasonable attempts to cool the situation or remove yourself from the situation and the other guy still comes at you violently. RIF... I missed the part where the guy in the jeep got out and confronted the suspect.yes that totally changes the scenerio. But when the suspect rammed the jeep with his truck on the 2nd altercation wouldn't that also be considered a "use of a deadly weapon?or is it aggrivated battery? Whichever the guy in the chevy screwed up, after the altercation at the light he could have deescalated the situation,instead he chose to continue playing and won a stupid prize. I'm sure there is more to the story,like how was the jeep driver trying to get the guys license plate number? By driving veeeery slow? there is a lot more to it of which we probably won't hear. |
What was this guy thinking ? He wasn't thinking ! 
In our part of the state he would have been charged with: 1) Aggravated Unlawful Use of Weapons 2) Aggravated Assault with a Motor Vehicle 3) Reckless Driving 4) Reckless Conduct He escalated the situation. As much as it would have bothered him, he should have driven away and made a police report if the other vehicle was driving that badly. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Police said he showed them his FOID card and told officers he thought he was allowed to carry a gun if it was unloaded. haha...err...no Carry on his person or in his vehicle? The guy was probably referring to his vehicle. In IL, you can have an unloaded handgun next to a loaded mag in your center console. Thanks to modern "journalism", we may never know |