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very unfortunate and regrettable but these things happen - sadly police ones are so high profile they always hit the headlines and make them / us look like idiots And the same rules should apply for them as us. What would happen if I discharged my firearm at the airport? Or any place else for that matter during the unload? Unload = safety ON, mag out, working parts to the rear to empty chamber, check chamber empty, release working parts, release safety, fire off action. If the drills are done correctly then there will not be an ND. Somewhere along the line the finger went to the trigger and pulled with the safety off and a round in the chamber. Sloppy drills make for dead friends. I have been on ranges for the best part of 30 years and only seen one ND during the unload and I've worked with some of the youngest and most inexperienced shooters. The guy got court martialled, btw. |
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They're a bit of a regular event of late though. At least it seems he had his weapon pointed in a safe direction (depending on your political view of course). My favourite was the chap doing a safety demonstration to civillian support staff and shooting one of them. You can guarantee they all now know how dangerous firearms are and the importance of safe handling! |
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Not the best place for an AD..... I prefer Negligent discharge as poor drills and discipline are not an accident. Nick Yep, no such thing as an accidental discharge Quite right, I stand corrected, it was a UD, whether it was an AD or an ND has yet to be established (of course it could have just been a standard Met unload...........  .)
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Quite right, I stand corrected, it was a UD, whether it was an AD or an ND has yet to be established (of course it could have just been a standard Met unload........... .)
Strangely enough a Met officer 'unloaded' his MP5 in the same way in Battle high street a while back... Luckily he managed to shoot the road instead of one of the crowd of onlookers, so at least the muzzle was pointing in the right direction. |
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I know a guy who shot himself with a pistol (mine) right after completing his firearms training (City Police). It appeared he was only told to do certain things and not why he should do them. This extra little bit of info would have helped clarify the procedure and would have meant he didn't shoot himself.
He was dreading going back to work until a few days before his return one of his colleagues shot himself and 2 others in the station  whilst returning his firearm. The incident was never mentioned again.
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I guess that in an imperfect world mistakes ( and whether negligent or not, this was a mistake ) happen.
And a guy in his line of work probably loads and unloads one or more weapons in his possession, hundreds of times per year. On a daily basis probably. And knowing the hours these guys work, the loading is after a short sleep and the unloading is at the end of a long tour of duty. Add to this that many if not most of those in his line are not as enthusiastic or knoweledgeable about firearms as most sporting shooters. Its a recipie for "mistakes" or "accidents". |
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I think it's complete bollocks.
Lets see, how do you unload a gun? 1) Drop the mag 2) pull the slide back and eject the chambered round. Job done. Or, 1) Drop mag 2) pull trigger and fire off round in chamber into the ground or anything else that's nearby. Job done. They both achieve the same thing, only one is louder than the other! BTW, the Israeli's carry their guns with an empty chamber. |
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I think it's complete bollocks. Lets see, how do you unload a gun? 1) Drop the mag 2) pull the slide back and eject the chambered round. Job done. Or, 1) Drop mag 2) pull trigger and fire off round in chamber into the ground or anything else that's nearby. Job done. They both achieve the same thing, only one is louder than the other! BTW, the Israeli's carry their guns with an empty chamber. But I've seen it done thus: 1) Rack slide to empty chamber 2) remove mag 3) pull trigger to release springs. The experienced try and do 1) and 2) so quick that it can be done in the reverse order. Oh, perhaps it is meant to be done in the reverse order and it's done so quick that it can be done as above. Would explain things. |
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Quite right, I stand corrected, it was a UD, whether it was an AD or an ND has yet to be established (of course it could have just been a standard Met unload........... .)
Strangely enough a Met officer 'unloaded' his MP5 in the same way in Battle high street a while back... Luckily he managed to shoot the road instead of one of the crowd of onlookers, so at least the muzzle was pointing in the right direction. So he will be able to tell his grandchildren he went into Battle and fired his gun. Isn't that in East Sussex, outside of the M25? So was there a navigation error as well? |
It is in East Sussex, just up the road from me. From what was in the local press it was a joint Sussex/Met operation and that's why CO19 were involved. Mind you Sussex have a habit of shooting unarmed naked men so maybe it was deemed safer to give it to the Met 
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It is in East Sussex, just up the road from me. From what was in the local press it was a joint Sussex/Met operation and that's why CO19 were involved. Mind you Sussex have a habit of shooting unarmed naked men so maybe it was deemed safer to give it to the Met The Met don't have that good a record. The last one was a major FUBAR, the poor guy did have a valid Underground ticket after all. |
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Reminds me of the clever wag performing duty as RCO at a competition the Blue Team entered at Bisley. Was soon after the Stockwell incident.
He modified the advancing man course of fire and made it a retreating man instead. It was felt we might be more comfortable shooting at a target running away............. 
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It is in East Sussex, just up the road from me. From what was in the local press it was a joint Sussex/Met operation and that's why CO19 were involved. Mind you Sussex have a habit of shooting unarmed naked men so maybe it was deemed safer to give it to the Met Once does not constitute a habit..................and have you forgotten the two recent ND's in our presence............and no, neither of them were me 
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It is in East Sussex, just up the road from me. From what was in the local press it was a joint Sussex/Met operation and that's why CO19 were involved. Mind you Sussex have a habit of shooting unarmed naked men so maybe it was deemed safer to give it to the Met Once does not constitute a habit..................and have you forgotten the two recent ND's in our presence............and no, neither of them were me
You are forgetting - the Police are ALWAYS wrong.
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It is in East Sussex, just up the road from me. From what was in the local press it was a joint Sussex/Met operation and that's why CO19 were involved. Mind you Sussex have a habit of shooting unarmed naked men so maybe it was deemed safer to give it to the Met Once does not constitute a habit..................and have you forgotten the two recent ND's in our presence............and no, neither of them were me
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Once does not constitute a habit..................and have you forgotten the two recent ND's in our presence............and no, neither of them were me
You are forgetting - the Police are ALWAYS wrong. Yes, it's like being a husband.......... Stop bleating you two. All coppers are bastards. Didn't you know? 
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Once does not constitute a habit..................and have you forgotten the two recent ND's in our presence............and no, neither of them were me
You are forgetting - the Police are ALWAYS wrong. Yes, it's like being a husband.......... Stop bleating you two. All coppers are bastards. Didn't you know? Yes I'm a right bastard, and don't you forget it......
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Quite right, I stand corrected, it was a UD, whether it was an AD or an ND has yet to be established (of course it could have just been a standard Met unload........... .)
you could be right a mate of mine shot his car when he was unloading to come off duty. If it was a Range Rover he could have just been putting it out of it's misery............. |
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It is in East Sussex, just up the road from me. From what was in the local press it was a joint Sussex/Met operation and that's why CO19 were involved. Mind you Sussex have a habit of shooting unarmed naked men so maybe it was deemed safer to give it to the Met Once does not constitute a habit It does if you are the object of the exercise....... |