Posted: 11/7/2012 4:24:46 AM EDT
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Thinking back to the recall election last June. You could bet that every single liberal, democrat in the state was against Walker, plus probably about 80% or more of all union (public and private) employees hopped on that bandwagon. Many of these people may very well usually vote R, but they rallied behind their union brothers. With all that working against Walker, I thought for sure he was toast, yet there was enough conservative minded people that supported Walker to pull him through.
So the question really then is who are these people that voted for Walker, but then this time must have voted for Obama? |
Nearly 40% of all who cast their vote for Obama did so from either Milwaukee or Dane (Madison) counties. Wisconsin is a Conservative State except for 2 urban centers with a large liberal population. Illinois is worse off than us. One single county cast nearly 50% of all votes for Obama...
For those who cast aspersions on Illinois residents, you are bashing a State full of many good people who are cursed by the Chicago Metro area. 
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Nearly 40% of all who cast their vote for Obama did so from either Milwaukee or Dane (Madison) counties. Wisconsin is a Conservative State except for 2 urban centers with a large liberal population. Illinois is worse off than us. One single county cast nearly 50% of all votes for Obama...
For those who cast aspersions on Illinois residents, you are bashing a State full of many good people who are cursed by the Chicago Metro area. What shocks me most, is all the "blue" in the NW part of the state. Here's some results from JS-Online. Douglas , Obama 65 % - Romney 34 % Bayfield, Obama 62 % - Romney 37 % Ashland, Obama 65 % - Romney 34 % Not a lot of votes up there, but WTF??? Some other "up north" counties were real close. For instance, in Sawyer, Obama wins, but by only 46 votes. In Price, Obama wins again... but by only 3 votes. Romney won Iron, but only by 5 votes. Obama wins Lincoln by 99 votes. Romney wins Oneida, but only 51-48%. Obama wins Forest, 52-47%. Romney did kick some butt in Vilas ( 59-40%), Florence (63-36%), Langlade (55-44%), Marathon (53-46%), Taylor (59-40%). But it wasn't enough.
My whole point is, the mostly rural north isn't Republican enough to counteract the big Dem cities down south. Where did all those Dems up north come from? I live in Vilas, and I'm dissapointed that 40% of my "neighbors" are freakin morons. 
Here's a "shocker"... Menominee County (which is entirely an Indian Reservation) goes for Obama 86-13%. 
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My whole point is, the mostly rural north isn't Republican enough to counteract the big Dem cities down south. Where did all those Dems up north come from? I live in Vilas, and I'm dissapointed that 40% of my "neighbors" are freakin morons. ..Do you realize how many of those Dems are current or former Union members? They truly do not believe that Obama is coming after their 12 Ga trap gun so the single issue of the 2A is no where near enough scare tactic to change their vote...
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My whole point is, the mostly rural north isn't Republican enough to counteract the big Dem cities down south. Where did all those Dems up north come from? I live in Vilas, and I'm dissapointed that 40% of my "neighbors" are freakin morons. ..Do you realize how many of those Dems are current or former Union members? They truly do not believe that Obama is coming after their 12 Ga trap gun so the single issue of the 2A is no where near enough scare tactic to change their vote...
Former union maybe, but current union members up north? The only union members up north are teachers & municipal employees. No manufacuring nor construction unions, etc. We're talking farmers, loggers, small business owners mostly. Can't blame it on ex-union nor transplanted FIBs. I'm ex-union & ex-FIB myself. |
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Former union maybe, but current union members up north? The only union members up north are teachers & municipal employees. No manufacuring nor construction unions, etc. We're talking farmers, loggers, small business owners mostly. Can't blame it on ex-union nor transplanted FIBs. I'm ex-union & ex-FIB myself. Obamacare and other entitlements have a strong influence all over.. |
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The Northwest is poor. Go take a drive and count the number of "for sale" signs and closed businesses. Heck, look what Superior and Ashland used to have for shipping business, now they're halfway to being Detroit. Half those towns up there could dry up and blow away and not many would give two farts. I know, I grew up in that part of the state. Vote to cut the entitlements? Not going to happen.
Typical story for the paper mill my Dad worked at (numbers approx): you can have a 1.5% raise this year, 2.5% next year, and 3% the third year. OR you can have 500 bucks right now (and 1% each year). What do you think was voted on? |
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All those unions guys in north WI counties, and their D party stopped the WI mining bill last year. Glad they have +3 going into Jan '13, for the Senate. That's the part I can't figure out. The NW is desperate for jobs, the Repubs want to revive iron mining up there, which would provide 1,000s of jobs directly (plus the trickle down effect of all that money being spent locally by the new workers), the Dems kill it... and the Dems get all the votes. I guess they don't want more jobs. Maybe it is all retired people and transplanted "save the planet" hippie types. Quoted:
The Northwest is poor. Go take a drive and count the number of "for sale" signs and closed businesses. Heck, look what Superior and Ashland used to have for shipping business, now they're halfway to being Detroit. Maybe I'm off base here, but wasn't a lot of that shipping business derived from iron ore, or other mining products? There's nothing else to ship out of there except forest products (lumber, paper), and there's not enough population to be shipping stuff in.
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| I wonder how much of the vote came from dead people and others who were ineligible? I'm sure it wouldn't have changed the outcome in this election but I can't help but wonder how much voter fraud there was. But the fact is that every fraudulent vote cast for one guy nullifies a legitimate vote for the other guy. This is why we really need some sort of Voter ID that can pass Constitutional muster. But the way it is now, no matter how the law is written, all it will take is one Dane County activist judge who makes his decision based on their personal views and not on the basis of law, to all but wipe it out. |
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Quoted: Turnout was way higher this time. Minorities turned out for this election in huge numbers. They were far less interested in the governors race and the recall. Tea party conservatives were not enthusiastic about Romney and many simply stayed home. I'm very concerned about the next 8 years and what will happen to the SCOTUS during that time. Conservatives and the Republican party need to do some soul searching. What do they want? What can they live with inside the party's platform, and the conservative movement? One thing is certain, we need more women voters, particularly single women, and minorities. The big question is, how can that be accomplished?
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My whole point is, the mostly rural north isn't Republican enough to counteract the big Dem cities down south. Where did all those Dems up north come from? I live in Vilas, and I'm dissapointed that 40% of my "neighbors" are freakin morons. ..Do you realize how many of those Dems are current or former Union members? They truly do not believe that Obama is coming after their 12 Ga trap gun so the single issue of the 2A is no where near enough scare tactic to change their vote... Former union maybe, but current union members up north? The only union members up north are teachers & municipal employees. No manufacuring nor construction unions, etc. We're talking farmers, loggers, small business owners mostly. Can't blame it on ex-union nor transplanted FIBs. I'm ex-union & ex-FIB myself. They have a union. |
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Turnout was way higher this time. Minorities turned out for this election in huge numbers. They were far less interested in the governors race and the recall. kick the religious right to the curb. When republicans figure out how to do a party platform that will stay out of our lives AND our wallets, They will be unstoppable. They lose a metric fuck ton of votes based on party platforms that try to tell others bow to live their life. |
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One thing is certain, we need more women voters, particularly single women, and minorities. The big question is, how can that be accomplished? I think that one of the biggest things is not pissing off the people we want to attract. WOMEN: Instead of rallying around the idiots who put their foot in their mouths about rape and other similar things, we MUST step forward and denounce them. Frankly, I'd be willing to throw them from the ticket (they're essentially unelectable at that point any how- note Akin's and Mourdock's results from election night). It must be done loud and clear; not just to put the offending party on notice AND to calm the waters, but so that the other side can't use our idiot and their words to their advantage. If we're going to be the party of honor, we need to start acting like it. Having disgusting people like those in our ranks is not only dishonorable, and it is a gross insult to our mothers, sisters, and wives. This next part is going to be controversial. If Republicans are the real party of freedom, sometimes that means allowing - not necessarily liking or approving of - freedoms other people want. Abortion isn't a winning stand for the GOP, just as gun control isn't a winning stand for the Democrats. I'd leave it a state's rights issue and wash our hands of it ASAP. MINORITIES: I have no answers for blacks but I do for Hispanics. We need to do immigration reform; I'd like to see a path to citizenship along with border security. It's hard to find a more hardworking, honorable, family oriented (and for the religious wing, faith-based) people. Yet we keep turning them off. That has to stop. HOMOSEXUALS: See my abortion comments above with gay marriage- throw it back to the states and be done with it. Mike |
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One thing is certain, we need more women voters, particularly single women, and minorities. The big question is, how can that be accomplished? I think that one of the biggest things is not pissing off the people we want to attract. WOMEN: Instead of rallying around the idiots who put their foot in their mouths about rape and other similar things, we MUST step forward and denounce them. Frankly, I'd be willing to throw them from the ticket (they're essentially unelectable at that point any how- note Akin's and Mourdock's results from election night). It must be done loud and clear; not just to put the offending party on notice AND to calm the waters, but so that the other side can't use our idiot and their words to their advantage. If we're going to be the party of honor, we need to start acting like it. Having disgusting people like those in our ranks is not only dishonorable, and it is a gross insult to our mothers, sisters, and wives. This next part is going to be controversial. If Republicans are the real party of freedom, sometimes that means allowing - not necessarily liking or approving of - freedoms other people want. Abortion isn't a winning stand for the GOP, just as gun control isn't a winning stand for the Democrats. I'd leave it a state's rights issue and wash our hands of it ASAP. MINORITIES: I have no answers for blacks but I do for Hispanics. We need to do immigration reform; I'd like to see a path to citizenship along with border security. It's hard to find a more hardworking, honorable, family oriented (and for the religious wing, faith-based) people. Yet we keep turning them off. That has to stop. HOMOSEXUALS: See my abortion comments above with gay marriage- throw it back to the states and be done with it. Mike Amen. I think to the Northwest heck much of the northern half of the state that could use some lumber / mining where possible. The revenues and job growth would be huge. Sort of like what the yoopers are going through as well. Only michigan is a completely failed state, and they are dependent on the powers that be which won't let the development happen. We in WI have had a massive influx, of the Chicago dems into the lower 1/4 of the state. It started with the very giving welfare we had for working people down on their luck, which drew in the filth we have packing the Milwaukee area today. Even when it was cut it was too little too late, they were here. ... now look at milwaukee. I think the best thing we can do, is what we have done, at least on a state level. Get the people such as Walker in place, now we need to grow industry in the rest of the state. Doyle for all intensive purposes gave no shits when major employers were looking for some help, instead they went down south. I hope that confidence in the state can return under Walker and the Republicans. We may be able to coax some hurting companys out of Illinois and to the more rural parts of our state that are dying for jobs. Once we have the production going in regards to the natural resourses we are rich in.. We can let Milwaukee be damned and starve, with any luck the trash will go right back over the border or to Iowa or Minneapolis St. Paul. Wisconsin will turn redder... A huge block to this is going to be the Obama administration, and the feds right now. So I digress, we have to at least get the people who could benefit on board. WI has it in us. Look at the Walker recall. I honestly thought we would go Romney this cycle. The amount of blue in so many countys was a surprise. Toss in Voter ID.... if we can keep control of the State and turn it around, I think we have a chance. |
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All those unions guys in north WI counties, and their D party stopped the WI mining bill last year. Glad they have +3 going into Jan '13, for the Senate. That's the part I can't figure out. The NW is desperate for jobs, the Repubs want to revive iron mining up there, which would provide 1,000s of jobs directly (plus the trickle down effect of all that money being spent locally by the new workers), the Dems kill it... and the Dems get all the votes. I guess they don't want more jobs. Maybe it is all retired people and transplanted "save the planet" hippie types. Quoted:
The Northwest is poor. Go take a drive and count the number of "for sale" signs and closed businesses. Heck, look what Superior and Ashland used to have for shipping business, now they're halfway to being Detroit. Maybe I'm off base here, but wasn't a lot of that shipping business derived from iron ore, or other mining products? There's nothing else to ship out of there except forest products (lumber, paper), and there's not enough population to be shipping stuff in.
Yep, you're correct. Shipping ore was big. Nothing really worth shipping in that can't be brought up by rail or highway. Love the area, but it's kind of the dead zone between the higher traffic vacation areas in Hayward and Minocqua. |
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Nearly 40% of all who cast their vote for Obama did so from either Milwaukee or Dane (Madison) counties. Wisconsin is a Conservative State except for 2 urban centers with a large liberal population. Illinois is worse off than us. One single county cast nearly 50% of all votes for Obama...
For those who cast aspersions on Illinois residents, you are bashing a State full of many good people who are cursed by the Chicago Metro area. What shocks me most, is all the "blue" in the NW part of the state. Here's some results from JS-Online. Douglas , Obama 65 % - Romney 34 % Bayfield, Obama 62 % - Romney 37 % Ashland, Obama 65 % - Romney 34 % Not a lot of votes up there, but WTF??? Some other "up north" counties were real close. For instance, in Sawyer, Obama wins, but by only 46 votes. In Price, Obama wins again... but by only 3 votes. Romney won Iron, but only by 5 votes. Obama wins Lincoln by 99 votes. Romney wins Oneida, but only 51-48%. Obama wins Forest, 52-47%. Romney did kick some butt in Vilas ( 59-40%), Florence (63-36%), Langlade (55-44%), Marathon (53-46%), Taylor (59-40%). But it wasn't enough.
My whole point is, the mostly rural north isn't Republican enough to counteract the big Dem cities down south. Where did all those Dems up north come from? I live in Vilas, and I'm dissapointed that 40% of my "neighbors" are freakin morons.
Here's a "shocker"... Menominee County (which is entirely an Indian Reservation) goes for Obama 86-13%.
The red, I'm proud to say I was one of those 5 votes. 
I am really surprised this county went Romney, even if just barely. Usually it's Dem everytime. Mainly due to the huge retired community up here trying to protect their medicare and SS. IMO. |
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Quoted: Quoted: All those unions guys in north WI counties, and their D party stopped the WI mining bill last year. Glad they have +3 going into Jan '13, for the Senate. That's the part I can't figure out. The NW is desperate for jobs, the Repubs want to revive iron mining up there, which would provide 1,000s of jobs directly (plus the trickle down effect of all that money being spent locally by the new workers), the Dems kill it... and the Dems get all the votes. I guess they don't want more jobs. Maybe it is all retired people and transplanted "save the planet" hippie types. Those NW mining jobs would have helped Milwaukee and SE WI too, making the tools and equipment that could be used for it. I think we'll see mining bill go through this coming Spring though, I don't think it's all lost. Put the framework/foundation in place. |