[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Woo! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/14/2011 7:29:37 PM EDT
Finally finished. Mostly  And don't mind the crappy picture. Specs: AR-15.com Lower Palmetto State Armory MOE Lower Build Kit Magpul ASAP Sling Plate Magpul MS2 Sling BAD-ASS Selector Lever Bullet Button  10/30 Magpul PMag Rainier Arms CV-16 Upper:
Only thing left I need to get is the Aimpoint T-1 and mount. |
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Quoted: Congrats buddy! Now I have no excuse not to come up there to shoot with ya. (You dont have an excuse either not to come down here  either)eta: I want to go fondle mine too   Hell yea man. I'll be down at FTA a few times this year if you just want to take a class with me. Quoted: Pretty Sweet there Seiran! What was the final cost?  I'll get back to you on that lol |
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Huzzah!! I found the price information I was looking for. $119 - Stripped Lower $50 - BAD-ASS Selector Lever $138.61 - MOE Lower Build Kit $27.19 - RKBA Infringing Bullet Button __________________________________ $334.80 Total + $702.95 - CV-16 Complete Upper Receiver from Rainier Arms <Slightly modified with Sabre Defense barrel, instead of Daniel Defense barrel> + $37.50 - JP Enterprises Front Sight Rail ____________________________________________________ $1075.25 Total All in all I'm about $100 over what the original build plan would have cost, but I feel I got a better rifle out of this. So I'm very happy, especially since I am still under budget, which I had planned at $1200. |
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Quoted: FTA? I dont know what that is  Firearms Training Associates. Located in Corona. Here |
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Quoted: right next to sc village. didnt know there was a shooting range there I KNOW RIGHT! That was the EXACT thing I said! lol I'd gone to SC Village a handful of times before I ever went to my first training class and had no idea. Then when I'm driving to class I'm thinking "hey this place looks familiar." Then I saw the SC Vill sign and was like "Hey! I know where I am!" lol |
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So now that the weekend is over, and my 2 day course is completed I can present the findings/results. Day 1 started off like most other classes would. BZO. I can safely say I thought I would smoke this portion, be done in 3 rounds, be showered with praise for being setup and ready to go. Haha yea I was wrong. lol First of all we shot 5 round strings at first, just to get a feel for things. Second, we weren't using the Army method of zeroing. Turns out, we were using the "6o'clock hold" technique. Yea...that was fun.   Our humble little training facility. It's quite a nice little place actually, despite it not looking like much.  Me being me.   Instructor Mike and I catching up with one another as I load mags. Great guy. Love working with him.  Stepping up to the line to begin.  Zeroing begins.  Instructor Matt correcting my form a bit and giving me some tips.  My initial zero. Horrible for three reasons. 1) I was fighting my glasses to get a sight picture. 2) I was wearing my harness and wasn't able to get as comfortable as I liked in that "benched" position. 3) The lady next to me <Very sweet mind you> her weapon had a compensator on it. A dedicated compensator. So I would finally get a good sight picture and cheek weld, get my breathing right, start to squeeze the trigger and BAM!!! She fires and the concussion from her shot would actually cause my head to move slightly and make me flinch, throwing my shots off. <That's why there are 6 holes instead of five.>  What my final zero ended up being. It took everyone maybe 4 times around to get "right" so to speak, and once I figured out that they actually wanted my rounds to impact about an inch lower than the black at 25 yards, everything made sense to me.  <Remember I had initially zeroed the way the Army teaches, which is aim at the dot in the center of the black, and put your rounds in the circle. So I was used to that way. I like 6o'clock hold better. It will be explained later on.> From zeroing we moved on to standing at closer ranges and getting a feel for where we needed to put our sights in order to score hits where we want them to go. We started with just 2 rounds in the chest/high chest area, and then moved on to putting whatever number Instructor Mike called out into the chest area, and then ultimately moved on to the failure drill.  Making ready. Note my terrible form.  Putting rounds on target.  Yea...I don't even know what the hell I was doing. lol Maybe visually confirming my safety was on? *shrugs*  Scanning after my string of fire was over.  Initial string hit results.  "Murph" <Instructor Murphy> helping to answer a reloading question I had. I was the only lefty in the class mind you.   Initial results of our switching to a failure drill. Notice all those shots that are in the chest area? Yup...that's on account of my being dumb and thinking they wanted the hits on the little black zeroing target's chest and head.  What the hell was I thinking? Fortunately though, I wasn't the only one that thought that. lol!! End results our the failure drill. As you can see - I actually shot the right head this time. From there we moved on to positional shooting. Kneeling, crouching, sitting, and prone. I had a lot of fun doing these drills, and of course my being the only lefty in class...and the only one able to move with relative ease into those shooting positions, I got <playfully> picked on by everyone lol  Dropped into the kneeling position at 25 yards or so. Notice the "haze" around the girl on my left side.  More kneeling. More "haze". Yea...I had to deal with that all day. That is from her damn compensator. lol  Results. Not to terrible. Most of them are in the right area of the chest. And all are on the target, so no fliers. Next up was crouching. Not my favorite position. I'm built like a 2x4, not a lab beaker. So I wasn't able to utilize this position to its maximum effectiveness by resting my elbows where they needed to be to give maximum stability. That and I have bad knees anyways, so this really didn't feel that great. But I still think I did okay overall. Of course...it could have been that damn compensator that make me rock like a chair, but I'll just blame myself.  Crouching Seiran, Hidden Pain in knees.  This I think was my best looking crouching position, but I was still a bit wobbly.  End results. Like I said not my best position, but all the hits are on paper. So that's a good thing. From crouching we moved to sitting. By far the technique I am proud to say I am very good at. And the one that got me poked fun at by everyone, because I could actually sit down and then move right back to my feet without having to use my hands. Yea I had fun on that drill lol Like a rock. By far my favorite improvised position.  Another string, but position looks pretty strong still.  Much better grouping with this stance than crouching. Then finally we hit the prone position. Many regard this as the best position to get accurate hits, and I would agree. But diving to the deck on rocks/gravel is not fun, even with a carpet thing in between.  Yea my knees didn't take to well to this, but with the adrenaline going and my having a freaking blast! - I didn't notice. Not until I got home anyways lol  Waiting to start the drill. Yes, that is my tongue. Not sure if I was poking fun at Gary, or if I was just thrilled to be moved one more target away from Kristen and her compensated rifle  Down and putting rounds out.  Another string.  End result. All of this brings us up to the end of the day. We backed up to about 50 yards and did a confirmation of zero. This was also used to show us why we used the 6o'clock hold when we zeroed earlier in the day. After that we got to have a little bit of fun <Well...a lot a bit of fun actually.  > and that was where we got to put all of what we learned during the day together, and to get a small feel of where we were. My confirmation of zero at 50 yards.  3 shots, 3 hits. A little to the left, but overall I was told this was good. I did adjust one click right though after this. Just to be sure.  "Fighting my way up" - The fun starts. Start standing, drop to prone. 2 shots, 2 hits on target.  "Fighting my way up" - Part two. Kneeling. <Sitting was missed as I got the two hits faster than my sister could get a shot of it.  > 2 shots, 2 hits on target. "Fighting my way up" - Part three. Standing. 2 shots, 2 hits on target. Also notice the slightly better form.  Talking with Instructor Tim after my drill was done.  Same drill, but this time she got me sitting.  Enjoying the prone position once again. After that, the day was done. I went home, found out my little sister was cooked like a lobster <I told her to wear a hat and sunscreen lol> and that I had a nice little red going on my arms. But I felt great. Got some good food in me, stalked ARFCOM for a bit, and racked out to be fresh and ready for day 2. Day Two: The return. Day two started off with a bang, literally. No classroom time this time. As soon as we arrived it was gear up and get on the line. Failure drills to start the day off. Replacing Kristen on my left this day was Gary. He and I became good buddies over this course. We even got a little competitive. We had a great time.  Lined up and ready! Day Two begins!  Yea, he's dead.  The end result of our remaining warm ups.  Instructor Mike demonstrating the Indoor ready.  Just a view after a few runs of Indoor ready.  Drilling. Gary and I were about neck and neck. He might forget to lock the charging handle forward, or rack the charging handle to chamber a round, but when he put his mind to it he was a damn good shooter.  The end result. Next up we moved to weapon transitions due to malfunctions. Now they did things a little strangely I thought. They had us work as if we didn't have a sling on our weapons. So we learned what I call the "butt tuck" method <Yes I got that from Dynamic Shotgun> and the bringing it down to the indoor ready and holding it with our support hand, and shooting one handed with our pistol.  Listening to the drill description while on-line.  Bang. Bang. Click!  Rifle tucked away, pistol out to play.  More pistol play.  End result. One flier just over the left shoulder. I was pissed about that. I made sure not to do it again.  My buddy Gene and myself on the back line waiting for our relay's turn to drill. From the close up stuff Instructor Matt decided it was time to see if we remembered what we were doing at the 50 yard line, only now we were at the 100 yard mark. Yea this was a blast. I didn't understand it at first, but after running it a few times it made sense. Two purposes were served by doing this. 1) We learned how to shoot at 100 yards, and see that our initial 25 yard zero worked just as well here and 2) We saw that doing all those drills at 100 yards made it incredibly easier to do them at 50 yards.  Waiting my turn.  On the line, waiting to start. <Only two pics taken of this, as my sister was afraid the camera was going to die if she kept using it again all day.> From this we moved on to moving drills. This was one of the things I was waiting for. I loved these drills during handgun training, so I couldn't wait to get on-line with my rifle. We do use Coaches for this though, in an effort to maintain safety and regulate the speed of the shooters. But it doesn't actually interfere too much, if at all.  My partner starting the drill.  My turn. Dry run first.  Live firing about to start. No shots during the actual drill though for safety reasons, so she took a shot mainly of Instructor Matt. lol From there we did a 50 yard standing to prone drill where we were to fire two shots standing, and then drop to prone and fire two more. After which we did a variation of that where we are moving forward and scanning the area, and then we drop to prone and fire 2 shots. It was entertaining to watch some of those guys get down into prone in a hurry.  Gary and I chatting while we wait for our turn.  Gary and I on-line and ready.  Moving to prone drill prior to start. And yes, that is a Mini-14. After that fun was over, we got to do one of the best parts of the entire course: Barrier shooting. I don't know how many of you are familiar with this, but it really opens your eyes to flaws in your shooting positions, makes you use alternate shooting positions if necessary, and this was also where we were introduced to shoulder transitioning. I can't begin to tell you how many groans erupted from the class when Instructor Matt mentioned that little tidbit. lol And I will admit I got a little freaked, as most of you know I can't see anything but a stained glass window view of the world out of my right eye. Not to fear however, I let Matt know and he told me that was ok and that I could run the drill all on my left side, but he did ask that I try it right side as well, which I happily obliged.  In the starting position, rifle on my "strong" side. I don't have a shot of it, but I moved to the first barrier, leaned out and using both eyes open and "reflex" fire I put one shot down range with my right side. Believe it or not I was only about 2 to 4 inches to the right of the target at about 45 yards. I was impressed with myself on that one, as I got that close with just basically "feeling" where the point of aim was.  After my first shot I transitioned to my usual shooting side and finished that barrier drill. This is my improvised kneeling position, as after I took my right handed shot I didn't bother to adjust my kneeling position, as I had good line of sight on target, with minimal exposure. So I went with it.  Next barrier. It was originally a wooden corner side USPS mailbox, but the wind kept knocking it over, so we switched to a barrel. I am still using my improvised kneeling position, but like I said it worked for me so I stuck with it. I'm currently engaging Target #5 on my right side by leaning to the right.  Same barrier, but this is me staying behind cover and adjusting my position to take the two shots on Target #1 that was on my left side, while keeping as much of myself behind cover as possible.  Third barrier. We had the option of kneeling, crouching, sitting, or going prone on this one, so I stuck with kneeling. It was working for me. Though now that I think about it I would have loved to do it sitting. I should have done sitting.  The final barrier. This was a standing only, 2 shots on Targets #1 and #5, and only on your left side. So of course I worked it like a slave. That whole drill was fun and I really wanted to run it again, but we only ran it once. This was also where Instructor Matt and one of the student's allowed the class to shoot their rifles, which were custom builds that they were developing for the school. They were pretty nice rifles actually. I'll make a small description of them at the end. Lastly, we did some moving drills without coaches, but we weren't firing all the way through on these. We would walk and scan the area, and when the command was called out we would stop and engage in a failure drill, and transition to our pistols if we had a malfunction. For this drill you'll notice I wasn't running my personal AR. I had asked a classmate if I could try his, because he was running an AFG and an EOTech on his rifle, and I wanted to try them out and see if I liked them. Overall I liked the AFG, but wasn't a huge fan of the EOTech. It was a nice optic yea, but I just didn't really like it. <I also ran this drill a second time with the second relay using only my pistol, because I still had pistol rounds left over and I thought it would be a lot of fun. Also...the classmate that let me use his rifle for my drill, picked up mine and ran his drill with my rifle. No pics of the pistol run though. Sorry.>  Gene and I on-line, waiting to start the drill.  Good old fashioned gun play. And there's that "haze" again. This time I'm the one shooting that annoying ass comp. Overall I had an awesome time during this class, and everyone could see it plain as day. My sister still remarks about how I had the biggest grin on my face every time I turned around. I made some new friends and learned a lot. Gene and Gary were two of the greatest guys I could have met and made the class even more fun. And of course the Instructor's. I can't say enough good things about Murph and the rest of those guys. They really do care about the students and making sure we get the most out of the training and instruction that we can, and they're all a damn riot as well. They will playfully poke fun at people for little quirks and make all of us laugh, and that really helps to keep us on the path and keep us in good spirits as well. My being a lefty and later everyone finding out I'm a Brit was the cause of much laughter, and Gary being Gary really got us going too. Yea Murph loved us lol I'm sad I can't take the advanced course next weekend, but budget doesn't allow it. But there's always next time. And in regards to that rifle I mentioned - It was a neat little thing. Base model weighed in at 5.5lbs, and most of that was due to it's polymer lower construction. Plum Crazy was the maker of that, and the 16" upper was built by Centurian Arms. As I mentioned they are going to be built and used as loaner weapons for the school, but they were also letting people know where they could pick them up if they were interested, and as I recall 4 people ordered one that day. I was even interested to be honest, but I didn't really agree with the price point <Base Model was something like $1450 or something close to that.> and not to mention my rifle I'm in absolute love with. Speaking of my rifle, she performed beautifully on ammo that almost everyone had told me was utter junk, or wouldn't run worth a damn, and some in my class hadn't even heard of it before. But I went through 300 rounds of it flawlessly, and was actually getting pretty decent groups as well. After I used that up I ended up running 100 rounds of the Federal bulk pack brass stuff and that shot beautifully as well. I also got to put something close to 40 or 50 rounds of PMC bronze downrange and that stuff again ran terrific. All of that stuff was eaten like candy. And what I was really pleased with was the Slip 2000 EWL that I bought. I took my rifle and did a cleaning and lubing with the stuff on Friday, because I wanted a pristine rifle for class <40 rounds of Tulammo and CLP for lube was on the bolt, and Slip says to clean all that stuff away before application>, and I didn't bother cleaning or lubing the rifle after that and still had no malfunctions or anything. 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Quoted: Aw no invite  eta: Dont let anyone tell you different about the cheapo russian steel case ammo. This past weekend I put about 500 rounds of polymer coated Golden Tiger through my AR. Only failure I had that trip was with a different gun (FTE with a .22LR rifle) Oh yea I'm in love with that Tula stuff. Cheap as hell but runs like a greyhound in my rifle. No issues with it whatsoever, and it was pretty damn accurate as well. Hell the school's training ammo is all Wolf. They buy that stuff by the truckload and run it through all their guns. |
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Quoted: Polymer coated... wolf are the same right??? so It's okay? Dude that looks like funny... what the requirements to take the class? I'd have to pratice a bit more before I go make a fool of myself out there... Looks like you can take in a lot from that... Yea the polymer coated stuff is generally wolf and tula. And yea it's ok. They just don't allow SS109/M855 <The green tip AP stuff> and tracer ammo. Requirements are pretty easy. Go here to their homepage and it will tell you everything you need to know. As to making a fool of yourself - Won't happen brother. The exact amount of experience I had with my carbine prior to this class was exactly 40 rounds on my home range, and half of that was to zero the rifle. The other half was me just aiming at the target and blasting away for fun. We had people in the class that had never handled an AR in their life, to people that have had experience in the Military with them. "General" Carbine is the entry course. So you can't go wrong. Now to my knowledge they don't have anymore General Carbine classes scheduled for the year, but keep looking back on the site, or call the office and ask Cheryl or one of the others and find out if they have any others planned. And yes you can. I highly recommend FTA for classes. |
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Quoted: Sweet deal man! I may need to join you once. I think you just sold me on the class. You won't regret it Mobius. I'm gonna try and make the General Handgun in July, as a buddy of mine wants to take it. So if I do I'll let you know ahead of time. Same with you Russ. |
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Sweet deal man! I may need to join you once. I think you just sold me on the class. You won't regret it Mobius. I'm gonna try and make the General Handgun in July, as a buddy of mine wants to take it. So if I do I'll let you know ahead of time. Same with you Russ. You better. Don't make me drive up there to teach ya otherwise  Need to decide which handgun to use there
Wolf and Tula are coated with this grey-colored stuff. The ones I was using looked like they were dipped in green goo. Primer and bullet were sealed with purple goo |
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I just got a new M&P so I will keep ya posted. Great report!
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Sweet deal man! I may need to join you once. I think you just sold me on the class. You won't regret it Mobius. I'm gonna try and make the General Handgun in July, as a buddy of mine wants to take it. So if I do I'll let you know ahead of time. Same with you Russ. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sweet deal man! I may need to join you once. I think you just sold me on the class. You won't regret it Mobius. I'm gonna try and make the General Handgun in July, as a buddy of mine wants to take it. So if I do I'll let you know ahead of time. Same with you Russ. You better. Don't make me drive up there to teach ya otherwise Need to decide which handgun to use there Wolf and Tula are coated with this grey-colored stuff. The ones I was using looked like they were dipped in green goo. Primer and bullet were sealed with purple goo Oooooh scary man.  Yea I'll let you guys know. I usually know if I'm going to these classes a month or so in advance, so you should get plenty of lead time. |
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Yeah, I went to the homepage and I'm interested in the Long range bolt action, shotgun tact. of course the Gen. Carbine...
On the handgun part... is there any thing that is not allowed. Like I have a couple handguns but I'd use either the HK .45 or my S&W .357 6 shooter... Yes I like to bust out the dirty harry, once in a while... I'd like to go to one of the classes with it because they might know some good tips/ tricks about them.
It's cool that you brought it up man... this will be one of the things I'll be looking forward to. Damn, I want to build my .308 AR 20"... I'm planning a sniper set up... something for long range... 
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Quoted: Yeah, I went to the homepage and I'm interested in the Long range bolt action, shotgun tact. of course the Gen. Carbine... On the handgun part... is there any thing that is not allowed. Like I have a couple handguns but I'd use either the HK .45 or my S&W .357 6 shooter... Yes I like to bust out the dirty harry, once in a while... I'd like to go to one of the classes with it because they might know some good tips/ tricks about them.It's cool that you brought it up man... this will be one of the things I'll be looking forward to. Damn, I want to build my .308 AR 20"... I'm planning a sniper set up... something for long range... You're fine with either of those 2 handguns. They even have a revolver specific course. |
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Yeah, I went to the homepage and I'm interested in the Long range bolt action, shotgun tact. of course the Gen. Carbine... On the handgun part... is there any thing that is not allowed. Like I have a couple handguns but I'd use either the HK .45 or my S&W .357 6 shooter... Yes I like to bust out the dirty harry, once in a while... I'd like to go to one of the classes with it because they might know some good tips/ tricks about them.
It's cool that you brought it up man... this will be one of the things I'll be looking forward to. Damn, I want to build my .308 AR 20"... I'm planning a sniper set up... something for long range... You're fine with either of those 2 handguns. They even have a revolver specific course. Really... I'll have to look into it a lil more... I'll have to get my brother an AR15 so we can go take the courses together... I think it would be fun... Learn and get to blow off some steam.... Thanks... |
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Hell just buy a La Rue OBR and you will be ready to go!
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Yeah, I went to the homepage and I'm interested in the Long range bolt action, shotgun tact. of course the Gen. Carbine... On the handgun part... is there any thing that is not allowed. Like I have a couple handguns but I'd use either the HK .45 or my S&W .357 6 shooter... Yes I like to bust out the dirty harry, once in a while... I'd like to go to one of the classes with it because they might know some good tips/ tricks about them.
It's cool that you brought it up man... this will be one of the things I'll be looking forward to. Damn, I want to build my .308 AR 20"... I'm planning a sniper set up... something for long range... |
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Yeah, I went to the homepage and I'm interested in the Long range bolt action, shotgun tact. of course the Gen. Carbine... On the handgun part... is there any thing that is not allowed. Like I have a couple handguns but I'd use either the HK .45 or my S&W .357 6 shooter... Yes I like to bust out the dirty harry, once in a while... I'd like to go to one of the classes with it because they might know some good tips/ tricks about them.
It's cool that you brought it up man... this will be one of the things I'll be looking forward to. Damn, I want to build my .308 AR 20"... I'm planning a sniper set up... something for long range... Damn at $3k I think I could build me a killer AR from scratch. I like the obr line but run a lil high... lol.
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I got one! But man oh name! It is worth every freakling penny! With that said no intention on my end to thread jack this.
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Yeah, I went to the homepage and I'm interested in the Long range bolt action, shotgun tact. of course the Gen. Carbine... On the handgun part... is there any thing that is not allowed. Like I have a couple handguns but I'd use either the HK .45 or my S&W .357 6 shooter... Yes I like to bust out the dirty harry, once in a while... I'd like to go to one of the classes with it because they might know some good tips/ tricks about them.
It's cool that you brought it up man... this will be one of the things I'll be looking forward to. Damn, I want to build my .308 AR 20"... I'm planning a sniper set up... something for long range... Damn at $3k I think I could build me a killer AR from scratch. I like the obr line but run a lil high... lol.
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It's all good brother. I don't mind the side conversation. You gonna bring the OBR to a class? Or something else? Im sorry... dude we should have a ar15.com cook'n'shoot... lol. Maybe at a central range or someones home range.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's all good brother. I don't mind the side conversation. You gonna bring the OBR to a class? Or something else? Im sorry... dude we should have a ar15.com cook'n'shoot... lol. Maybe at a central range or someones home range. Sometime during the summer? Long time CA resident. Moving back to Riverside area first of June. Tagging this one. |
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Call the time and place I am there!
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It's all good brother. I don't mind the side conversation. You gonna bring the OBR to a class? Or something else? Im sorry... dude we should have a ar15.com cook'n'shoot... lol. Maybe at a central range or someones home range.
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Okay, I just skimmed through your post, OP, but they have a class just for people that are stuck running AR with BBs? How did that work out when trying to reload? We trained around them. How so???? Would it be okay to swap out BB to the standard mag release for the class? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Okay, I just skimmed through your post, OP, but they have a class just for people that are stuck running AR with BBs? How did that work out when trying to reload? We trained around them. How so???? Would it be okay to swap out BB to the standard mag release for the class? We trained around them. One or two guys had those magazines from Calegalmags.com that were modified with the baseplate having a tool on it, and then since our strings of fire weren't very long, we all could reload during the minute or so in between drills. |
| I run NOTHING but SilerBear out of my Spikes. I have NEVER had any issues what so ever. I get (if I do my part) about 0.75 ish out of my 16 inch Spikes Upper. Never had an extraction issue, FTF, or a FTF. Just run it wet and never ahve issues. I think that whole"BRASS" vs "STEEL" issue is a just old news. I have a bunch of the old farts at my range that get upset if you run steel cased ammo. I run it no issues on my end! |
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Quoted: Was that Heavy 6 training next to you OP? YES!!!! Finally someone got the reference! When I was talking to other people about my experiences off board I kept using "Heavy 6" to describe that guy and they're like "What?" lol I could sit there and go "a big fat guy!!" and they'd still scratch their heads lolAnd damn was he annoying lol |
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Quoted: Call the time and place I am there! Quoted: Quoted: It's all good brother. I don't mind the side conversation. You gonna bring the OBR to a class? Or something else? Im sorry... dude we should have a ar15.com cook'n'shoot... lol. Maybe at a central range or someones home range. Damn I can't believe I missed this. Yea a summer get together would be awesome. |
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Okay, I just skimmed through your post, OP, but they have a class just for people that are stuck running AR with BBs? How did that work out when trying to reload? We trained around them. How so???? Would it be okay to swap out BB to the standard mag release for the class? We trained around them. One or two guys had those magazines from Calegalmags.com that were modified with the baseplate having a tool on it, and then since our strings of fire weren't very long, we all could reload during the minute or so in between drills. Okay, now I understand. But, it wasn't too much of a hinderance, right? Plus, were there more rifles with BBs? Or more legally registered AWs? Not that I expected you to ask everyone using the standard mag button that question, but I'm just curious as to what was out there. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Okay, I just skimmed through your post, OP, but they have a class just for people that are stuck running AR with BBs? How did that work out when trying to reload? We trained around them. How so???? Would it be okay to swap out BB to the standard mag release for the class? We trained around them. One or two guys had those magazines from Calegalmags.com that were modified with the baseplate having a tool on it, and then since our strings of fire weren't very long, we all could reload during the minute or so in between drills. Okay, now I understand. But, it wasn't too much of a hinderance, right? Plus, were there more rifles with BBs? Or more legally registered AWs? Not that I expected you to ask everyone using the standard mag button that question, but I'm just curious as to what was out there. Wasn't a hindrance at all. And I'm pretty sure everyone there had a bullet button of some kind. We had a LEO in class with us, though I'm not sure if he was running a work rifle or a personal rifle. If he was running a work rifle then that would be the only one I can think of that might actually be an "assault rifle". As to what was out there, almost everyone was running an AR15. The only two exceptions were the older lady with the Mini-14 <She's in a few of my pics> and her son who was running a California AK-47. Give FTA a chance for training. Doesn't matter what course you take, you won't be disappointed. |