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5/19/2009 1:14:30 PM EDT


From VCDL....



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URGENT York County Action Item



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It is getting harder and harder for a law-abiding gun-owner to be able to shoot a firearm because of restrictions created by Virginia's various localities. And now York County wants to jump on board with its own restrictions.



The York County Board of Supervisors is having a hearing TONIGHT (May 19th) at 6 PM on a proposed firearm-discharge ban that will affect a large part of the County.



The ordinance will ban all rifle shooting that is not done at a gun range (no more shooting a rifle at home). It will also ban discharge of any firearm, BB, or paintball gun powered by carbon dioxide, within 300 feet of homes or businesses (unless the owners of those homes or businesses agree), as well as within 1,000 feet of school property.



We need to have a good turnout of York County residents to urge the Board of Supervisors to NOT pass the ordinance, leaving current laws alone.



Points to be made:



* The Second Amendment and Article I, Section 13 of the Virginia



Constitution give the right to individuals to keep and bear arms.



Shooting is an important part of that right and as long as it is being done safely should not be infringed. State law is sufficient to control firearms discharge.



* Rifles can be shot safely on private property with a berm. There is no need to force rifles to be discharged only at a gun range.



* Restricting the discharge of BB guns and paintball guns, especially a 300 foot limitation, is particularly ludicrous. BB guns can be shot in a house currently and this ordinance would prevent even that if there is a home or business within 300 feet.



The meeting is at:



Board Room



York Hall



301 Main Street



Yorktown



Here is a link to the ordinance:




5/24/2009 9:38:37 PM EDT
[#1]
I was disappointed I could not make it, but some were there for our side:

Supervisors mulling gun restrictions



<dl class="byline">By Jon Cawley | 247-4635

<dd>May 21, 2009 </dd>

</dl>


YORK - York supervisors balked Tuesday night at deciding the merits of proposed amendments to the county's firearms ordinance after several gun-rights advocates spoke during a public hearing on the issue.



The three members of the York County Board of Supervisors who were present Tuesday voted unanimously to table the issue until it could be discussed again during a work session with the entire five-member panel present. Supervisors George Hrichak and Tom Shepperd were absent Tuesday.



The decision came after seven gun-rights advocates, including one who wore a holstered pistol on his hip as he addressed the supervisors, argued against the proposed rules.



They contended that the proposed regulations are too broad, are not needed and infringe on constitutional rights.







York officials have spent well over a year studying the issue.



The new rules would prohibit firing a gun within 300 feet of a residence without the written permission of the owner, add high density areas to a list of neighborhoods that request designation as non-discharge areas, prohibit firing any gun within 1,000 feet of the perimeter of a school and prohibit discharging any caliber rifle in the county.



Several similar, yet less strict, prohibitions are proposed regarding air guns.



No one spoke in favor of the amendments Tuesday.



Supervisor Sheila Noll said the proposal was "trying to be all-encompassing. We've done well without it."





http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_yorksupes_0521may21,0,3394177.story



5/25/2009 3:55:26 AM EDT
[#2]
Virginia continues to go the way of the rest of the northeast/mid-Atlantic.  What idiotic elected officials we have.
5/25/2009 4:16:28 AM EDT
[#3]




Quoted:

Virginia continues to go the way of the rest of the northeast/mid-Atlantic. What idiotic elected officials we have.




Good point about following the herd.  In my experience, local governments in rural areas often try to emulate the nearby cities, to the detriment of people who like to shoot.



I guess it's analagous to native Arizonians dealing with the Californication of their state.



5/25/2009 4:30:12 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Virginia continues to go the way of the rest of the northeast/mid-Atlantic. What idiotic elected officials we have.


Good point about following the herd.  In my experience, local governments in rural areas often try to emulate the nearby cities, to the detriment of people who like to shoot.

I guess it's analagous to native Arizonians dealing with the Californication of their state.



What will inevitably doom Virginia is as the federal government grows in scope and size, Virginia will too.  Our demographics are changing.  Soon, most of Virginia will identify with Maryland, Delaware and New Jersey, instead of West Virginia and Tennessee.

North Carolina has is in the same predicament, and is ahead of us in the growth of government.
5/26/2009 10:08:41 PM EDT
[#5]




"The decision came after seven gun-rights advocates, including one who wore a holstered pistol on his hip as he addressed the supervisors, argued against the proposed rules."

Great. Just freakin' great. What in hell's name was the point that that MORON was trying to make by wearing a pistol to the meeting of the Board of Supervisors? That sort of thing makes gun owners look like a bunch of idiots. Somebody ought to take that guy's pistol away and beat him over the head with it.



5/27/2009 4:28:23 AM EDT
[#6]
5/28/2009 6:53:29 PM EDT
[#7]




Quoted:



"The decision came after seven gun-rights advocates, including one who wore a holstered pistol on his hip as he addressed the supervisors, argued against the proposed rules."



Great. Just freakin' great. What in hell's name was the point that that MORON was trying to make by wearing a pistol to the meeting of the Board of Supervisors? That sort of thing makes gun owners look like a bunch of idiots. Somebody ought to take that guy's pistol away and beat him over the head with it.



If it's who I think it is, he carries almost all of the time. (I believe he's a member here also. When I get back from Texas, I'll try to remember to e-mail him a link.) Not a big deal, really. Many people in VA carry often, both open and concealed... I'm surprised it concerns you so. York County isn't filled with Oprahs and Rosies who get upset when someone carries a gun.



You may be new to VA... In 1995 the legislature changed the law so that those who carry a gun for self-defense now have to carry it openly in almost all restaurants (non alcohol serving places like fast food excluded). I've done it, I've seen it done often, and I've never witnessed a problem. The only time someone spoke to me after noticing my gun was to ask about carrying and permits, as they were interested themselves.










Edited for dang Texas hotel business center bad connection induced typos
5/28/2009 11:56:08 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:

Quoted:

"The decision came after seven gun-rights advocates, including one who wore a holstered pistol on his hip as he addressed the supervisors, argued against the proposed rules."

Great. Just freakin' great. What in hell's name was the point that that MORON was trying to make by wearing a pistol to the meeting of the Board of Supervisors? That sort of thing makes gun owners look like a bunch of idiots. Somebody ought to take that guy's pistol away and beat him over the head with it.

If it's who I think it is, he carries almost all of the time. (I believe he's a member here also. When I get back from Texas, I'll try to remember to e-mail him a link.) Not a big deal, really. Many people in VA carry often, both open and concealed... I'm surprised it concerns you so. York County isn't filled with Oprahs and Rosies who get upset when someone carries a gun.

You may be new to VA... In 1995 the legislature changed the law so that those who carry a gun for self-defense now have to carry it openly in almost all restaurants (non alcohol serving places like fast food excluded). I've done it, I've seen it done often, and I've never witnessed a problem. The only time someone spoke to me after noticing my gun was to ask about carrying and permits, as they were interested themselves.




Edited for dang Texas hotel business center bad connection induced typos


No, I'm not new to Virginia. I was born here, and have lived here all but a few of my 66 years. What concerns me is not the fact that open carry is legal here. It's been that way since before I was born. And open carry in an ABC licensed premises really doesn't have anything to do with a meeting of the Board of Supervisors. If your friend wants to carry, he should at least be discreet about it. Open carry to the 7-11 is one thing, but when you're trying to sway the opinions of your county board, common sense dictates that you do everything that you can to impress them favorably. I don't think that exercising your right to open carry at that particular venue makes any sense at all.
I went to a gun rights rally in Washington, DC several years ago, and all attendees were asked not to wear camoflage. Were we within our rights to wear camo? You bet. Would it have made a good impression on the people whose opinions we were trying to influence? Most likely not. The same thing goes with open carry. I'd bet you a dollar to a donut hole that your friend didn't do "the cause" any good by his actions. People outside the shooting community (not necessarily anti-gunners) and many life-long shooters would look at your friend and think he's just another nutty gun freak.....and that's something we don't need.

6/5/2009 5:21:14 AM EDT
[#9]




Quoted:



Quoted:





Quoted:



"The decision came after seven gun-rights advocates, including one who wore a holstered pistol on his hip as he addressed the supervisors, argued against the proposed rules."



Great. Just freakin' great. What in hell's name was the point that that MORON was trying to make by wearing a pistol to the meeting of the Board of Supervisors? That sort of thing makes gun owners look like a bunch of idiots. Somebody ought to take that guy's pistol away and beat him over the head with it.



If it's who I think it is, he carries almost all of the time. (I believe he's a member here also. When I get back from Texas, I'll try to remember to e-mail him a link.) Not a big deal, really. Many people in VA carry often, both open and concealed... I'm surprised it concerns you so. York County isn't filled with Oprahs and Rosies who get upset when someone carries a gun.



You may be new to VA... In 1995 the legislature changed the law so that those who carry a gun for self-defense now have to carry it openly in almost all restaurants (non alcohol serving places like fast food excluded). I've done it, I've seen it done often, and I've never witnessed a problem. The only time someone spoke to me after noticing my gun was to ask about carrying and permits, as they were interested themselves.










Edited for dang Texas hotel business center bad connection induced typos


No, I'm not new to Virginia. I was born here, and have lived here all but a few of my 66 years. What concerns me is not the fact that open carry is legal here. It's been that way since before I was born. And open carry in an ABC licensed premises really doesn't have anything to do with a meeting of the Board of Supervisors. If your friend wants to carry, he should at least be discreet about it. Open carry to the 7-11 is one thing, but when you're trying to sway the opinions of your county board, common sense dictates that you do everything that you can to impress them favorably. I don't think that exercising your right to open carry at that particular venue makes any sense at all.

I went to a gun rights rally in Washington, DC several years ago, and all attendees were asked not to wear camoflage. Were we within our rights to wear camo? You bet. Would it have made a good impression on the people whose opinions we were trying to influence? Most likely not. The same thing goes with open carry. I'd bet you a dollar to a donut hole that your friend didn't do "the cause" any good by his actions. People outside the shooting community (not necessarily anti-gunners) and many life-long shooters would look at your friend and think he's just another nutty gun freak.....and that's something we don't need.



York County isn't Washington DC, thank God.



The nice thing about rights is that you can exercise those you wish to, and others can exercise those they wish to.



6/5/2009 5:25:42 AM EDT
[#10]
Update, courtesy VCDL:







York Holds Hearing but Tables Firearms Vote



Dennis Marston



Posted: Wednesday, May 20th, 2009



Pro-gun residents in York County got a temporary victory over possible gunfire ordinance changes during Tuesday's board of supervisors meeting.



The board held a public hearing on restricting gunfire within 300 feet of homes or businesses and within 1,000 feet of school property. The board, short members George Hrichak and Thomas Shepperd, deferred a vote to change the ordinance. A date for another hearing has not been set.



A gun, according to the ordinance, is any handgun, shotgun or rifle, which includes a .22 caliber. Also included in the restrictions are CO2-powered BB and paintball guns.



Amid intermittent cheers, several residents spoke out against the changes because of their belief in gun and property owners' rights.  



David Lloyd, of Owl Creek Circle, read the second amendment to the Constitution verbatim, and then told the board why it was important to him.



"I have the right to bear arms," he said. "My ability to exercise that right is as important as the right itself. Our young people need to learn about firearms as part of exercising this right."



Other residents shared Lloyd's sentiments.



Resident Wesley Thomas has lived in Tabb since before the high school was built in 1972.



"The Revolutionary War was a war against gun control," Thomas said. "You can't criminalize my girlfriend's son for using a paintball gun in my backyard."



Henry Long of Darby Road said he can't defend himself against people or vicious animals if he can't practice shooting.



Realtor Greg Garrett, who lives in the area near Dare and lists many of the Peninsula's houses, told the board he's more concerned with not being able to shoot even a .22 rifle.



"I'm not against neighborhoods that don't want guns," Garrett said.



"I'm against not being able to shoot a .22. At my house I can shoot 270 degrees safely. Don't take this countywide. Don't use a sledgehammer where you can use a fly swatter."



Supervisor Sheila Noll said she was fine with deferring the vote. "I don't want to take too much away from people," she said. "We need to have a later discussion."



Supervisors Donald Wiggins and Walt Zaremba agreed.



Discussion on changing the ordinance began about two years ago, but the talks gained momentum after complaints about gunfire near Mt. Vernon Elementary School last fall.



Assistant County Administrator J. Mark Carter said the gunfire was due to hunters on a 120-acre parcel adjacent to the school. Carter said he didn't think the hunters were near the school.



"They were doing what they could do, legally," said Carter.



In June 2007, the board held its first public hearing on the issue because some Lakes at Dare residents wanted to be added to the gun-restrictions list after hearing gunfire near their homes. The issue was tabled after some subdivision residents and neighbors expressed concern about including AirSoft-style guns as well as the intent of the ordinance.



Last fall, after more meetings and the incident near the school, the board sent out letters to residents of newer neighborhoods to see if they, too, wanted to be on the list. Responses were due by January 30.



Residents from Winterfield, Lakes at Dare, Wythe Creek, Sherwood Farms, Carriage Homes at Williamsburg Commons and Overlook Point sent responses wishing to be added.



"Did you notice not one person from the new neighborhoods were here," Garrett said to other attendees after the meeting.





6/5/2009 5:26:53 AM EDT
[#11]
The solution to the problem are cheap, easy access to suppressors.
6/5/2009 5:46:34 AM EDT
[#12]




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The solution to the problem are cheap, easy access to suppressors.


No kidding!  Maybe I'll bring that up to the County Board of Supervisors.  




Ironically, some Euro countries are ahead of the curve, allowing suppressors for hunting due to noise considerations.