[ARCHIVED THREAD] - .17 hmr straight pull upper (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/24/2010 11:01:10 AM EDT
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Anybody make one ? i know we cant have a semi auto .
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I hear it's special order for big game safari hunters only. That beasty can take down an elephant at 1000 yards  only if the wind is blowing the right way 
a .17 hmr AR would usefull even better in semi auto. Aggy CCI Mini-Mag at £65.00/1000 CCI Gamepoint .17HMR at £270.00/1000 Hmmm, let me think for a nanosecond........................ |
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Whoa there ! Members of ARFCOM advising against an AR ?
If you really need a .17HMR rifle AND you like the AR type platform, go right ahead and get one built ( if you can ) Some would say getting a BAR 22 is crazy when you can get a Ruger 10/22 or another factory sporting semi auto for a fraction of the price. BUT if you want a .22 and you like the AR platform, there is nothing wrong with getting what you want. 
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The problem isn't the cartridge, its the kind of people we all associate with it (the walts, weeds and bullshit artists who live over on the BBS)... This aside, I don't think it would be a great choice anyway. You can't use it on most gallery ranges, so rather limited use for target shooting.. for pest control, a 22lr in semi auto would be be more effective, cheaper to run and at sensible ranges just as terminal. 17hmr has a slight range advantage, but often not for the sorts of thing i.e. fox that you might be shooting at those ranges for which .223 would be more appropriate. The other big + with 22lr is you can feed it subsonic which is not possible with 17 (will the Recce carbine function with subs?). 17 is also a PITA to keep clean. 17 does have some advantages (much less prone to richochet than 22lr for example) and there are a few specific things (Corvids for example) where it is a great choice. But if you really want one get a CZ or Ruger bolt action which are cheap accurate and reliable workhorses. You can then save the rest to go towards a BAR15 or 22 which you'll have the fun with. |
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The problem isn't the cartridge, its the kind of people we all associate with it (the walts, weeds and bullshit artists who live over on the BBS)... This aside, I don't think it would be a great choice anyway. You can't use it on most gallery ranges, so rather limited use for target shooting.. for pest control, a 22lr in semi auto would be be more effective, cheaper to run and at sensible ranges just as terminal. 17hmr has a slight range advantage, but often not for the sorts of thing i.e. fox that you might be shooting at those ranges for which .223 would be more appropriate. The other big + with 22lr is you can feed it subsonic which is not possible with 17 (will the Recce carbine function with subs?). 17 is also a PITA to keep clean. 17 does have some advantages (much less prone to richochet than 22lr for example) and there are a few specific things (Corvids for example) where it is a great choice. But if you really want one get a CZ or Ruger bolt action which are cheap accurate and reliable workhorses. You can then save the rest to go towards a BAR15 or 22 which you'll have the fun with. I have a spikes tactical in .22 and a bolt action cz 452 in .17 hmr .i dont shoot targets very often .some of the ground i shoot on is quite flat and stoney so you can get zingers with the .22 .in terms of range when shooting anything live i would limit the .22 to 75 80 yrds max with the hmr 200 yrds ia bout my limit . |
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Even if you could get the rifle made - do black dog or anyone else make an AR .17 hmr magazine? I mean what if you don't kill the pterodactyl cleanly with the first shot - or if there is more than one T-rex at the watering hole? Not a problem....... the 17HMR would go straight through the first T-Rex killing it instantly and exploding it in a shower of blood and guts, then go straight through the next one and do the same. In fact it will not be until the 17 strikes a blade of grass that it's terrifying onslaught would come to an end . Here's a 17HMR fired at a water...... I think we can all agree it is not to be trifled with. 
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Even if you could get the rifle made - do black dog or anyone else make an AR .17 hmr magazine? I mean what if you don't kill the pterodactyl cleanly with the first shot - or if there is more than one T-rex at the watering hole? Not a problem....... the 17HMR would go straight through the first T-Rex killing it instantly and exploding it in a shower of blood and guts, then go straight through the next one and do the same. In fact it will not be until the 17 strikes a blade of grass that it's terrifying onslaught would come to an end . Here's a 17HMR fired at a water...... I think we can all agree it is not to be trifled with. http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/120759.gif 
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Quoted: Even if you could get the rifle made - do black dog or anyone else make an AR .17 hmr magazine? http://www.alexanderarms.com/siteshopper.htm?cat=16&item=148 |
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Whoa there ! Members of ARFCOM advising against an AR ? If you really need a .17HMR rifle AND you like the AR type platform, go right ahead and get one built ( if you can ) Some would say getting a BAR 22 is crazy when you can get a Ruger 10/22 or another factory sporting semi auto for a fraction of the price. BUT if you want a .22 and you like the AR platform, there is nothing wrong with getting what you want.
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Whoa there ! Members of ARFCOM advising against an AR ? If you really need a .17HMR rifle AND you like the AR type platform, go right ahead and get one built ( if you can ) Some would say getting a BAR 22 is crazy when you can get a Ruger 10/22 or another factory sporting semi auto for a fraction of the price. BUT if you want a .22 and you like the AR platform, there is nothing wrong with getting what you want.
Great, when are you emigrating? ? 
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Whoa there ! Members of ARFCOM advising against an AR ? If you really need a .17HMR rifle AND you like the AR type platform, go right ahead and get one built ( if you can ) Some would say getting a BAR 22 is crazy when you can get a Ruger 10/22 or another factory sporting semi auto for a fraction of the price. BUT if you want a .22 and you like the AR platform, there is nothing wrong with getting what you want.
Great, when are you emigrating? ?
Ist verboten mein freund................. 
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Whoa there ! Members of ARFCOM advising against an AR ? If you really need a .17HMR rifle AND you like the AR type platform, go right ahead and get one built ( if you can ) Some would say getting a BAR 22 is crazy when you can get a Ruger 10/22 or another factory sporting semi auto for a fraction of the price. BUT if you want a .22 and you like the AR platform, there is nothing wrong with getting what you want.
Great, when are you emigrating? ?
Ist verboten mein freund................. Welcome to the .17HMR straight pull thread.
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Joking apart, why a .17HMR AR15?
Competition shooting; 1) No good for mini rifle, too slow to cycle a straight pull 2) No good for Highpower, CSR or Practical rifle as it lacks the power and range of .223 3) Cost is mental (comparative to .223 with less performance) 4) Prone to quick barrel fouling Hunting: 1) AR platform can be a bit noisy especially when cycling manually 2) Noisy even with a moderator, more so than a .22 Sub moderated. 3) Whats wrong with a Bolt Action 17HMR? Plinking: 1) Expensive 2) Fouling 3) Expensive 4) Can't be used on many pistol calibre ranges due to MV Would you really commission the building of a 17HMR upper for something that doesn't seem suited to the platform? Don't get me wrong, I see a market for it from a bunnybashing perspective, and it's ideal as a hunting round in bolt action when you need a rimfire with more legs, but I just can't see it as a sensible option as an AR15 calibre given the price and alternatives out there. 
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Just a question. If an AR was to be built that functioned as a straight pull and fired the 17HMR, what type of bolt would be used? I would think that over in the UK the bolt would be required to have some type of locking lug or lugs so that it could not be modified to work as a blow-back. The picture below is an AR-15 in 17 HMR but it funtions as a blow-back so it's semi-auto.
An alternate possibility is to build an AR that shoots a necked down 5.7X28 FN round. Over here, in the states, it's known as the 17 velociraptor and runs around 3600fps with a 20gr bullet. The used 5.7FN brass is easy to get here and there are dies available for forming and reloading. The big work is reducing the size of the bolt face and making an adapter to allow the use of the 20 round FN Five Seven pistol magazine. If hot loads are not used the brass should last for a good long time. I have an AR that is gas operated and shoots the 5.7X28 ammo and uses the FN pistol mags. It shoots like a dream and is something like a 22 magnum on steroids and very accurate and cheap to reload. The picture below is the AR-15 in 5.7X28 and using the FN pistol mags. The magazine has a 10 round extender so it holds 30 rounds. 
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Quoted: Just a question. If an AR was to be built that functioned as a straight pull and fired the 17HMR, what type of bolt would be used? I would think that over in the UK the bolt would be required to have some type of locking lug or lugs so that it could not be modified to work as a blow-back. The picture below is an AR-15 in 17 HMR but it funtions as a blow-back so it's semi-auto. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x205/22_boomer/Test17HMRrifle1.jpg An alternate possibility is to build an AR that shoots a necked down 5.7X28 FN round. Over here, in the states, it's known as the 17 velociraptor and runs around 3600fps with a 20gr bullet. The used 5.7FN brass is easy to get here and there are dies available for forming and reloading. The big work is reducing the size of the bolt face and making an adapter to allow the use of the 20 round FN Five Seven pistol magazine. If hot loads are not used the brass should last for a good long time. I have an AR that is gas operated and shoots the 5.7X28 ammo and uses the FN pistol mags. It shoots like a dream and is something like a 22 magnum on steroids and very accurate and cheap to reload. Nice gun & idea, but why not just shoot .17 Rem? (a necked down .223) |
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The funny part about it is I have an AR in 17 Remington Fireball and it shoots like a dream but, at times, it's so much easier to grab a box of the 17 HMR ammo and the 17 HMR AR-15 rifle and go shooting when the ranges are short –– say 100 to 200 yards and the HMR doesn't make the noise that the Fireball does. Both the 17 Remington and 17 Remington Fireball can cost a bit for just 20 rounds and, although reloading helps a lot, it's just easier to shoot the 17 HMR.
If time and work is not a problem then reloading some like the 17 Velociraptor could be the answer. The only reason I don't have a 17Vraptor is I have a another round that is very similar and is also cheap to reload. I save all the FN 5.7 brass for my FN 5.7 AR. By the way, the picture of the 5.7 AR shows that it has a side charging handle and I like that because it's easier to use when I have a scope on the rifle. |
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I can think of only two reasons for a .17HMR in the AR platform.
1, The shooter likes the platform over anything else. 2, The shooter wants to have the same handling characteristics in every rifle he owns and so will have an AR type in a few calibres. As to the 5.7X28 calibre - I fired that in a pistol ( dont remember the make ) last time I was in Nevada. Quite a pokey little round for its size. |
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I can think of only two reasons for a .17HMR in the AR platform. 1, The shooter likes the platform over anything else. 2, The shooter wants to have the same handling characteristics in every rifle he owns and so will have an AR type in a few calibres. As to the 5.7X28 calibre - I fired that in a pistol ( dont remember the make ) last time I was in Nevada. Quite a pokey little round for its size. You are so right on both 1 and 2. The AR-15 is so easy to work with and change to what ever you want. I like shooting the FN 5.7 that I have reloaded which allows me to boost the velocity –– 35gr V-Max at 2600fps out of the 18" barrel. As a 5.7X28 it's cheaper to shoot than the 22 magnum. The 17Vraptor is a really nice varmint round and I may convert my 5.7 AR to that cartridge. |
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I'd have to say that 5.7 is pretty much unobtainable over here As for the whole .17HMR straightpull malarkey, I think maybe the OP hasn't thought it through. Now, a .17HMR based on a Unicorn mechanism............. Wouldn't you still be better off with .223? |
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I'd have to say that 5.7 is pretty much unobtainable over here As for the whole .17HMR straightpull malarkey, I think maybe the OP hasn't thought it through. Now, a .17HMR based on a Unicorn mechanism............. It took me a bit to locate the Unicorn mechanism –– very cool if you can't have true semi-auto. I get the feeling this Unicorn design costs a bunch to start with and a 17 HMR wound be a custom piece of work. Have any of you actually had a chance to try one? To be honest, I forgot to look for the safety selector on the lower –– is there one? Edit to add; I found the safety –– it's on the right side of the lower. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'd have to say that 5.7 is pretty much unobtainable over here As for the whole .17HMR straightpull malarkey, I think maybe the OP hasn't thought it through. Now, a .17HMR based on a Unicorn mechanism............. It took me a bit to locate the Unicorn mechanism –– very cool if you can't have true semi-auto. I get the feeling this Unicorn design costs a bunch to start with and a 17 HMR wound be a custom piece of work. Have any of you actually had a chance to try one? To be honest, I forgot to look for the safety selector on the lower –– is there one? Edit to add; I found the safety –– it's on the right side of the lower. The trouble with the whole Unicorn thing is that it was/is a bit too good A few of the peeps on here had them....albeit for a short time before the feds banned them. A Mk2 or 3 version or summink is around now that satisfies the authoritays, so that's that |
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The land i have to shoot on is only cleared for .22 rf and .17 hmr .The m4 is by a long way the best handling gun I have ever had but it hasnt got the legs of the HMR .Stalking is tough as there isnt much cover to hide behind .I have just joined a club and do intend to get a .223 upper for comps and fox My thinking was .22 for mini rifle and vermin sell my cz .17 and get a .17 upper vermin and the 223 comp and fox "lif I can get the land cleared " just a thought
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How about this then? This http://www.innovativetactical.com/catalog/images/lmt/6l284m9t35.jpg +this http://www.gunpricing.co.uk/files/website%20pages/cz/varmint.jpg + this http://www.toolstation.com/images/library/stock/webbig/52906.jpg and this http://www.orangecactusproject.com/prolight/Equipment/gaffer%20tape.jpg It worked for the A-Team! |
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Is the rumour true that some of the 'New' one's have been misbehaving? Utterly impossible. They have all been subject to strict quality control and thorough testing. You must have dreamt it. My section one version has had 400 rounds through it. All have been section one discharges. |
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Is the rumour true that some of the 'New' one's have been misbehaving? Utterly impossible. They have all been subject to strict quality control and thorough testing. You must have dreamt it. My section one version has had 400 rounds through it. All have been section one discharges. Mine had had over 4000 rounds through it without a problem of an illegal nature. I personally know of two others with similar round counts that have also been Sec1 since day one.. Just my experience... |