Posted: 12/21/2010 5:00:48 AM EDT
| looking to buy a .22 just to plink with and have a good time... |
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Both have function bolt hold open feature which is cool. They both function fine as far as I've seen. Are you thinking the smith with the rails or no? I say Smith but I wouldn't be mad with the Sig either. If you have a lot of AR's and no Sig, then it's also something cool to have in a way of diversity. |
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option C: neither.
I would get a spikes upper. the smith is a plastic toy, never played with the sig. That being said the spikes AR22 is my favorite range gun. I shoot it more than the rest of my guns combined. also accurate enough for squirrel/coon/rabbit hunting. |
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I opt for C: also.
I've not seen the Sig either, but the smith is an AR wannabe. I have a CMMG .22 upper that I put on a CMMG lower that I built. It's a bit picky about what you feed it, but it is a "true" AR-15 that just happens to shoot .22. 
The new ".22 AR-15s" that most folks are putting out (S&W included) are glorified toys that IMHO are WAY overpriced! 
Pay a little more and get a dedicated .22 AR-15 upper, you won't regret it! 
If you just want a good ol' plinker, I don't think there is anything out there that is a better value than a Ruger 10/22.... 
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Personally I'd go C as well, but since that wasn't a poll option I voted for the 1522. My brother-in-law has one. I put about 100 rounds through it on Thanksgiving. It's a fun plinker and shoots just as well out of the box as my 10/22 with Green Mountain bull barrel.
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Sig 522 all the way. Uses non-proprietary Black Dog Machine mags. Drum mag available and relatively inexpensive. Absolutely stone-cold reliable with every brand of cheap bulk ammo I've tried; it actually defeats the thrill of a 22lr (reliability on par with centerfire ammo). Easy to clean. Metal upper. SWAT version now comes with rails. Folding and collapsible stock.
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S&W M&P15-22
Why? Mags are cheaper. Those who train hard need to buy 10-12 mags. Being $5-$10 cheaper per mag matters. M&P's don't seem to be as ammo sensitive. M&P's are less expensive than dedicated uppers. M&P's won't tempt you to build another lower to turn that dedicated upper into a dedicated .22 gun. M&P's are Lighter than dedicated .22 Rifles [ie spikes upper and your lower.] All dedicated models don't lock to the rear on the last round. Several Dedicated uppers have been known to be problematic and have to be sent back. Dedicated uppers sometimes require that you change your hammer or hammer spring. Lighter triggers will not consistently pop rimfire primers. |
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S&W M&P15-22 Why? Mags are cheaper. Those who train hard need to buy 10-12 mags. Being $5-$10 cheaper per mag matters. M&P's don't seem to be as ammo sensitive. M&P's are less expensive than dedicated uppers. M&P's won't tempt you to build another lower to turn that dedicated upper into a dedicated .22 gun. M&P's are Lighter than dedicated .22 Rifles [ie spikes upper and your lower.] All dedicated models don't lock to the rear on the last round. Several Dedicated uppers have been known to be problematic and have to be sent back. Dedicated uppers sometimes require that you change your hammer or hammer spring. Lighter triggers will not consistently pop rimfire primers. I agree with everything in this post. I had a TacSol AR-22 upper like Book mentioned. It was great but was more expensive than a M&P. I was very tempted at times to buy or build a lower for it and that would have put me almost as much $ as my "real" AR. I ended up selling the TacSol later for something else given I rarely shot it. If I had to do it again now .... since M&P can be bought with a TB from the factory ... I would go that route. |
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i find it funny all these people saying their rimfire works 100%. I am willing to bet if you would take them to the .22 2xgun match at creekside that fantasy would quickly change. Well i went through probbaly 2 full boxes of federal 550 without one problem on the 522 problem....then sold it. So thats 100% to me
Sig simply made a .22lr that worked with everything, no matter what. The only way you'd get a failure of some kind with the 522 is a failure to fire due to a shitty primer in the rim. Other than that, its the holy grail of .22lr rifles....other than CZ bolt actions of course. |
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i find it funny all these people saying their rimfire works 100%. I am willing to bet if you would take them to the .22 2xgun match at creekside that fantasy would quickly change. Well i went through probbaly 2 full boxes of federal 550 without one problem on the 522 problem....then sold it. So thats 100% to me
Sig simply made a .22lr that worked with everything, no matter what. The only way you'd get a failure of some kind with the 522 is a failure to fire due to a shitty primer in the rim. Other than that, its the holy grail of .22lr rifles....other than CZ bolt actions of course. same here. never had a single failure with several boxes of federal bulk pack......then I went to Joe's 22 match. all of a sudden....failures. sitting behind a bench shooting is just a tad different than real life. |
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Quoted:Other than that, its the holy grail of .22lr rifles....other than CZ bolt actions of course.
Kinda weird how holy grails don't come with any sights on them huh? 
point and shoot son, point and shoot 
I thought the "new" models being sold now come with sights? |
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other than the mentioned lack of sights, I'd choose the 522.
mine has been the most reliable .22 I've ever owned, I dont really keep it clean either. I have zero experience with any of the ar conversions though. so I cant really say anything negative. in fact, I hope to own a .22 conversion for the girls ar pretty soon. |
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even Nutnfancy says the 522 is the best tactical .22lr out there
BOO YA |
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That guy should be put in a padded room. He should wear an Asshat badge with oak leaves. To call him a full on retard is a detriment to the handicapped. You're not seriously saying that this guy knows what he's talking about are you? 
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That guy should be put in a padded room. He should wear an Asshat badge with oak leaves. To call him a full on retard is a detriment to the handicapped. You're not seriously saying that this guy knows what he's talking about are you? i just posted it to see what you'd say about it 
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They need to make the 15/22 upper work on factory AR lowers. They would sell a lot more. CMMG is supposedly coming out with a 5.5 in upper, and maybe an 11.5in upper soon, and their uppers have pretty good reviews from what I've seen so far. The Smith upper will work, with some mods to the pivot pin hole. I had the same opinion, until i tried it. I have the pistol on order, to put on a SBR lower. Rich |
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Already got 10/22's You already own the best .22 ever made. Why would you downgrade to a lesser platform? Accountant Training tool? M&P15-22's operate with the same exact controls. Mags are about the same size, hold around the same round count. Take all the same accessories as regular rifles. |
| I've fired the S&W 15/22 quite a few times and love it, I know it's plastic and light, but that just makes it even more awesome in my book. Great gun and perfect for plinking, and way more accurate out of the box than I would have guessed. The factory sights actually look well made also. If I was in the market for a 22 rifle, it would be my first chouce. |
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I have a 15/22 without the threaded barrel. I put about 1000 through it with no issues. Previous owner said he had about the same through it if my memory is good. It is very accurate and a hell of a lot of fun to shoot. It is so fun that I just went up to 400 J&L about 2 weeks and bought one of theirs with the threaded barrel. I was originally planning to sell the unthreaded one but I may just keep it and give it to one of my kids when they get old enough.
I thought about getting a 10/22 to mod, but my Marlin shoots so good as is that I think I'll just stick with it for the scoped..22. I just need to figure out how to lower the trigger pull to something in the single digits. |
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That guy should be put in a padded room. He should wear an Asshat badge with oak leaves. To call him a full on retard is a detriment to the handicapped. You're not seriously saying that this guy knows what he's talking about are you? I'm posting for no other reason than to agree with this.... He is an idiot at best.... I voted for the 1522 also... |
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Quoted: That guy should be put in a padded room. He should wear an Asshat badge with oak leaves. To call him a full on retard is a detriment to the handicapped. You're not seriously saying that this guy knows what he's talking about are you? |
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Quoted: Quoted: That guy should be put in a padded room. He should wear an Asshat badge with oak leaves. To call him a full on retard is a detriment to the handicapped. You're not seriously saying that this guy knows what he's talking about are you? i just posted it to see what you'd say about it I was going to say..... Showing that nutnfancy backs something up is usually used to attack an argument, not support one.
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Nutnfancy = 
I would rather here what hickok45 has to say...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQygPC-4_kI |
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Is there any reason not to use the Nordic 22 uppers? I have an 18" Nordic NC22 upper. From a fit, finish, and feel stand point it is very nice. My concentration has been getting it to run with subsonic ammo (lower powered subsonic at that) and a suppressor which is always tricky. They will send you a reduced power spring but I have been trimming the standard one myself. I haven't run it much with standard or high velocity ammo. |
I can verify that my brief 150 rounds of remington subsonic through a M&P15-22/Element combo ran like a champ. No issues, no choking, and shot like a frickin' Nerf gun.
Katie and I were killing steel at 30-40 yds with the factory irons a couple weeks ago. That plate didn't even have a chance.
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Sig 522 all the way. Uses non-proprietary Black Dog Machine mags. Drum mag available and relatively inexpensive. Absolutely stone-cold reliable with every brand of cheap bulk ammo I've tried; it actually defeats the thrill of a 22lr (reliability on par with centerfire ammo). Easy to clean. Metal upper. SWAT version now comes with rails. Folding and collapsible stock. Those are the hardest mags of the bunch to load; they have no follower pull down like the others. Also, if you all read the title of the thread, he said "just for fun." The Smith is a fine choice. |
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"Just for fun" in a 22lr means "reliable" and "ammo indifferent" to me. The Sig 522 is. The S&W may be.
I don't find the BDM mags overly difficult to load at all. I would much prefer an enclosed mag rather than the S&W open design. I had a GSG5 with the open mag; the spring would end up getting gunked after a few range trips. All I've ever had to do with the BDMs is wipe off the follower and feed lips with some CLP when they were caked with debris. The BDMs are quality mags and are ubiquitous in AR 22lr conversions; an added bonus if magazine consolidation is an issue. Should the OP venture into the 22lr conversion / dedicated upper territory, he would already have a ready supply of mags. I liked my AR conversion a lot, it's a good choice to keep things simple. Quoted:
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Sig 522 all the way. Uses non-proprietary Black Dog Machine mags. Drum mag available and relatively inexpensive. Absolutely stone-cold reliable with every brand of cheap bulk ammo I've tried; it actually defeats the thrill of a 22lr (reliability on par with centerfire ammo). Easy to clean. Metal upper. SWAT version now comes with rails. Folding and collapsible stock. Those are the hardest mags of the bunch to load; they have no follower pull down like the others. Also, if you all read the title of the thread, he said "just for fun." The Smith is a fine choice. |