Posted: 5/15/2008 6:08:15 PM EDT
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Oh boy... Unfortunately in the general election, there's only two possible outcomes: 1) Democrat 2) Republican There are no other possible outcomes, so voting for anyone else is only going to further the agenda of one of the two aforementioned candidates, or not affect the outcome at all. Reasonable people would see that as a hurtful vote (just ask the liberals who voted Nader in 2000 in Florida if they could go back in time and change their votes!), or a wasted one (ask any of the liberals in Florida who stayed home during the election if they could go back in time and vote for Gore). Obama will be to Republicans what Bush is to Democrats. He may even be worse, considering his ultra-liberal slant (Bush was really not that conservative, on the contrary) and hard anti-gun viewpoints, combined with a Pelosi Congress that's fully in the D column and expanding. * Do you want hyde-park liberal Supreme Court justices who will "re-interpret" the Constitution to mean whatever they want for the next 30-40 years? Potentially even on the 2nd Amendment? * Do you want to see America run from Iraq with it's tail between its legs, then soon after watch as Iraq tears itself apart? Our national psyche will be devastated due to the defeat we'll end up with, although liberals will be delighted because of the collective misery. * Do you want to see a tax increase? Obama talks about tax for the wealthy, but bracket creep has ensured a lot more people will be getting tax increases under his plan than he lets on. This can't be good for the economy in a time of downturn. * Do you want to see a President who talks to the leaders of terror-supporting nations like Iran? Leaders who claim they'll wipe Israel off the face of the earth and deny the Holocaust? Talking to them isn't going to change shit. * Do you want a leader who went to a church for 20 years where not only the Pastor talked anti-Americanism and racism, but whose congregation clapped and cheered when he said it? Obama belonged to that congregation and denies knowing any of that. * Do you want a first lady who only recently said she was "for the first time" proud to be an American? * Do you want a weakened military, cut back even more than during Clinton to pay for more entitlement programs? Those entitlement programs are bankrupting the economy and Obama certainly has no plans to end them - his solution is more taxes. * Do you want to see the economy put under massive strain by environmental laws restricting carbon output? The liberals have no qualms about this. The Republicans at least want to manage climate change respective of Industry, which makes more sense. * Do you want to see another Assault Weapons Ban? Another Hughes amendment? Federal laws restricting the # of weapons you can buy in a month? More federal regulations on handguns? Federal waiting periods? Obama supports the DC handgun ban and is against concealed carry. * Do you want increased government bureaucracy and bloat? * Do you really want to see the most liberal senator in the United States taking the Presidency when he has both houses of Congress to back him up? What kind of damage will this produce? It's about time we all started standing behind McCain, because he is our ONLY ticket towards preventing this long national nightmare from ever taking place. Barr may be a nice guy with some nice ideas, but he has no chance of winning, and he knows it. Personally, I am going to do everything I can to ensure Obama is defeated in the fall. If both houses of Congress weren't going to be solidly Democratic come January 2009, and if Obama wasn't such a flaming hyde park liberal, then things might be different. But due to the circumstances and his record, he is more dangerous than McCain is lacking - and thus his defeat takes priority over who carries the conservative banner this time around. It's sad, but reality trumps idealism. And besides, McCain was elected by the GOP in a democratic and open fashion. If we wanted someone else to represent us, we had our chance. Damn, that got long. 
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There Traxxus, fixed it for you  And for what it's worth the Republicans are headed for an ass whipping the likes of which they have never seen before. Unless they can come up with some good conservative stuff and make us believe they aren't just lying like usual to save their butts. Better buy some lowers now they will be banned soon. I assure you if McCain is elected we will regret it |
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Bob Barr is not to blame for any votes that McCain doesn't get. McCain and the Republican party are fully to blame. If they weren't idiots, and actually picked up issues that mattered, and actually stood up for the correct sides of those issues, people would vote for McCain instead of Barr. I've been dreading the upcoming general election because I did not want to look back later on and say that I contributed to the failure of this nation. If I voted for any of the major candidates, that's exactly what I'd have to say. But then Bob Barr came along. Now I have hope. We'll see what he says and does coming up, but if nothing else, maybe he'll be a wake up call to other candidates. Maybe they'll pick up on the fact that voters are starting to realize that if they vote for the Republican party as it is, there will be no change in the downturn. If they vote Democrat, the downturn will just become a nose-dive. |
The Republican Party has had a colossal failure of leadership, vision and foresight. They wasted the years they were in control and drove people away. Bush has hurt them a lot, too, although it's a lot of their own fault for standing with him. But their recent asswhoppings and total failure to consolidate after 2006 are making them take a much harder look at themselves. I believe they'll make a comeback, like they did in the 90's, even if it's two to four years away at this stage. That's politics, sad as it may be. But in a two party system, we don't have much choice. Are you going to vote for a D to spite the R's? That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face, or voting for Stalin because you're pissed at the Nazi party. What we really need to do is reform the party from within, and that's not going to happen if we're steadily losing seats and letting good conservatives start voting for Democrats. We need to stop the flood of votes to liberal candidates NOW, especially when there's a possibility they will have total control over the government (something that has only occurred during 15% of the time during the last 20 years or so). Imagine the wreckage that would cause? It would be devastating. Allowing Obama to cement his legacy with terrible policies rubber-stamped by a Pelosi Congress would have far-reaching effects that would take years to undo, and possibly never undo (see: gun control). I know McCain isn't the ideal candidate, but he's far better than Obama. Barr either doesn't know what he's doing, as any reasonable person knows they can't win on a 3rd party ticket, or he's just trying to direct the conservative momentum back towards our favor, which looks more likely. So use this time between now and November to tell your senators and congressmen you support them as long as they support conservative values, and make it known they need to start acting like conservatives. Call, send e-mail, write letters, post on blogs - everything. Get involved! Let them know they f-ed up, but that we're still willing to stick with them if they fix themselves. Chances are, they've already put themselves on this path. But don't make the mistake of voting for Barr (or Nader) if you usually vote Republican - because when We can avoid an epic disaster. Vote R! |
Lol, thanks  I'm much more into seeing Obama lose than I am into seeing McCain win. I'm with most of the people here in that I'd rather see a true conservative candidate with true conservative ideas and policies than a moderate centerist. But unfortunately, that didn't happen this time around. Lesson learned, right? Or maybe, better luck hoping better candidates run in 2012. And yes, the R's are probably going to see the asskicking of a lifetime. While I agree that they deserve it, I'm torn - because I don't think any of us deserve the result of that which would be a government totally controlled by Obama and Pelosi style politics. (Which would be tantamount to torture, cruel and unusual punishment, etc) So I truly feel like we need to cut our losses and vote McCain. I would not be this adamant about it if both houses were Republican, or even if one house was solidly Republican, because that would effectively contain an Obama Presidency from doing too much evil. But as it stands, we're looking at potentially years of unchecked liberal rule except a few senators who may be able to hold together a filibuster, but that's no safeguard if the Democrats use the nuclear option. The only way to stop this rising tide of liberal politics is to elect a Republican to the Presidency. That's the only viable option we have at the moment towards preventing a true disaster over the next 4-8 years, and so even though we may not be big McCain fans, we should suck it up and vote for him anyway as the other option would be far worse. |
i will vote for barr. why? as a conservative i have a list of core values that never sway, no matter who becomes the press. one of my core beliefs is to stand up for what i feel is right. i will not vote for mccain just because he is not a democrat. this election year we have two socialist and one liberal moderate vowing for the most powerful seat in the world. i, in a good, clear conscience could not pull the lever for any of the present mainstream candidates. mccain has always worked with the worst of the worst on the other side of the aisle. ie. mccain/fiengold or mccain/kennedy. what ensures me that when he needs to replace a sup. court justice, he will not "compromise". i just don't trust him. i know bob barr. i have studied his polices. i trust him to make the right choices on all issues that are important to me. i am tired of people saying that i am wasting a vote. to me, it is not a waste at all. when it is all said and done, i will have a clear conscience. i will know in MY heart that i voted for the man that i agree with the most with. last time i checked, that was what being a conservative/republican is all about. p.s. a republican is just a libertarian with a skind heart 
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+1000 What he said! I'm tired of voting against someone. I will either vote FOR someone or not vote at all. Yes, I know I'm "wasting my vote" or "essentially voting for the Dem" but I'll know that I voted for the best man for the job whether anyone else did or not. |
| This voting for the lessor of two evils has been going on for way too long. It is why there is a democrat running for republican President.....So its a great idea to let them know we approve of the liberal move and vote for them? I'll stay home before I can vote for john mcdemocrat. |
You can only walk in the terrain that you are currently deployed in, not where you want to walk. It is McCain or Obama this go-round. A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama Stay home is a vote for Obama |
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I understand the need to vote a clear conscience, but how can you have a clear conscience if you know your vote is only helping Obama? There's only two possible outcomes to this election, and that's Obama or McCain. Whatever actions you take will either HELP or HURT one or both of those candidates, whether you actually vote for them or not. That to me is the bigger question surrounding my conscience this election. I could not live with myself knowing I helped Obama win. |
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Bob who? I know who he is, but I have heard ZERO about his joining the race in the media. The media outlets tell the sheeple for whom to vote, and they are pretty much ignoring him. Thus, he has the same chance as Ron Paul in this election. If he was getting serious fanfare online and/or on TV or bought his own air time during prime time to come out to the public like Ross Perot did, he might have a shot. Otherwise, he's a nobody in this race, and a vote for Barr is a vote taken from McCain. |
I agree. I would be much more likely to vote for Barr if he were running for congress. I think it makes a lot more sense for the third party candidates to run for congress because a lot of people, myself included, have a hard time voting for a third party in a presidential race. There is too much at stake to risk a D winning the Pres. and less at stake if we lose one seat in congress. |