Posted: 12/8/2011 5:38:00 AM EDT
| SO my girlfriend took her concealed carry class the other night and when she came home mentioned to me one thing they told her that didn't seem to make sense. She said the instructor told her that it was illegal to have your jacket ride up so that you could see the handgun in your holster. I thought that since we also had open carry as well as concealed carry if your gun was visable it would not be a problem from the legal standpoint. |
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SO my girlfriend took her concealed carry class the other night and when she came home mentioned to me one thing they told her that didn't seem to make sense. She said the instructor told her that it was illegal to have your jacket ride up so that you could see the handgun in your holster. I thought that since we also had open carry as well as concealed carry if your gun was visable it would not be a problem from the legal standpoint. You are correct. Open carry is legal. Printing, or even letting your shirt ride up to expose the weapon is NOT illegal in Wisconsin. Other states, however, laws can be different. Are you sure they weren't possibly talking about another state? |
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SO my girlfriend took her concealed carry class the other night and when she came home mentioned to me one thing they told her that didn't seem to make sense. She said the instructor told her that it was illegal to have your jacket ride up so that you could see the handgun in your holster. I thought that since we also had open carry as well as concealed carry if your gun was visable it would not be a problem from the legal standpoint. For someone who is not otherwise intimate with WI Statutes, this is the down side to taking a class which is not Wisconsin specific. Most of the classes are Utah, MN, etc which meet the WI requirements but are not truly a WI Carry class. If this was advertised as being WI specific then this is an instructor to avoid and sharing who to avoid would helpful to others. |
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SO my girlfriend took her concealed carry class the other night and when she came home mentioned to me one thing they told her that didn't seem to make sense. She said the instructor told her that it was illegal to have your jacket ride up so that you could see the handgun in your holster. I thought that since we also had open carry as well as concealed carry if your gun was visable it would not be a problem from the legal standpoint. For someone who is not otherwise intimate with WI Statutes, this is the down side to taking a class which is not Wisconsin specific. Most of the classes are Utah, MN, etc which meet the WI requirements but are not truly a WI Carry class. If this was advertised as being WI specific then this is an instructor to avoid and sharing who to avoid would helpful to others. FWIW, MN does not require concealment neither. But OC does require the same license as CC in MN. At least that's how it was 5-6 years ago when I took the MN class and got my MN license. |
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SO my girlfriend took her concealed carry class the other night and when she came home mentioned to me one thing they told her that didn't seem to make sense. She said the instructor told her that it was illegal to have your jacket ride up so that you could see the handgun in your holster. I thought that since we also had open carry as well as concealed carry if your gun was visable it would not be a problem from the legal standpoint. For someone who is not otherwise intimate with WI Statutes, this is the down side to taking a class which is not Wisconsin specific. Most of the classes are Utah, MN, etc which meet the WI requirements but are not truly a WI Carry class. If this was advertised as being WI specific then this is an instructor to avoid and sharing who to avoid would helpful to others. It was supposed to be a Wisconsin specific class. It's the one's that Fleet Farm if partnering with. My girlfriend was not impressed with the course in the least. She is a novice but does shoot trap and has shot a pistol a little bit. She said the instructor looked to be about 21 years old, the class covered a lot that wasn't important such as cleaning your gun, and that there were a few guys in the class that just loved to hear themself talk. It was what I thought it would be and that was a $99 means to an end of getting a permit. |
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I had a friend take a class at Gander in LaCrosse last night and they told him that signs on doors are not notification and he can carry unless asked to leave. I asked him to contact the instructor about this and get him this in statue. The Gander classes I see advertised are Utah training. |
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In my class they told the class that like milk, ammo goes bad and should be replaced every couple of months. They also had another f-up but I forget what that was. Rotate your holsters? 
http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/ |
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In my class they told the class that like milk, ammo goes bad and should be replaced every couple of months. They also had another f-up but I forget what that was. Some truth to that I guess if they were talking about Hornady TAP I remember that stuff a few years ago wasn't sealed and people were having no fires with it. No idea if they changed.it now though. I don't know temperature cycles, sweat, etc its probably not.a.bad idea to go through it after awhile at least if the primers aren't sealed anyways. |
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In my class they told the class that like milk, ammo goes bad and should be replaced every couple of months. They also had another f-up but I forget what that was. Rotate your holsters?
http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/ I remember now, ammo had to be stored in a separate case/location from your rifle when traveling. Not just unloaded but completely separate. Several people gave  face.
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In my class they told the class that like milk, ammo goes bad and should be replaced every couple of months. They also had another f-up but I forget what that was. Some truth to that I guess if they were talking about Hornady TAP I remember that stuff a few years ago wasn't sealed and people were having no fires with it. No idea if they changed.it now though. I don't know temperature cycles, sweat, etc its probably not.a.bad idea to go through it after awhile at least if the primers aren't sealed anyways. It wasn't just carry ammo they were talking about, they said buy a new box every couple of months and get rid of the old stuff because it doesn't keep. I didn't have the heart to tell them I've fired WW1 surplus ammo without issue. I can guarantee that it wasn't in a climate controlled warehouse for the first 80years of it's life. |
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In my class they told the class that like milk, ammo goes bad and should be replaced every couple of months. They also had another f-up but I forget what that was. Some truth to that I guess if they were talking about Hornady TAP I remember that stuff a few years ago wasn't sealed and people were having no fires with it. No idea if they changed.it now though. I don't know temperature cycles, sweat, etc its probably not.a.bad idea to go through it after awhile at least if the primers aren't sealed anyways. I've had ammo that wasn't keep under the best conditions go south in as little as 1 year. Those dry box that hold moisture out can also hold moisture in. Reloading manuals all seem to have a section warning about old powders. It's not just powder or primers staying fresh, it's also cases getting corrosion. I'd wager most civilian ammo isn't sealed with any sort of extra manufacturing step. Any sealling is just thanks to friction fits between bullet, primer and the case. Combine that with carry gun going in & out of warm & cold environments, maybe next to a sweaty body. Doesn't sound like a good place to store ammo for too long. Rotating out ammo in a carry gun is never a bad idea. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In my class they told the class that like milk, ammo goes bad and should be replaced every couple of months. They also had another f-up but I forget what that was. Some truth to that I guess if they were talking about Hornady TAP I remember that stuff a few years ago wasn't sealed and people were having no fires with it. No idea if they changed.it now though. I don't know temperature cycles, sweat, etc its probably not.a.bad idea to go through it after awhile at least if the primers aren't sealed anyways. I've had ammo that wasn't keep under the best conditions go south in as little as 1 year. Those dry box that hold moisture out can also hold moisture in. Reloading manuals all seem to have a section warning about old powders. It's not just powder or primers staying fresh, it's also cases getting corrosion. I'd wager most civilian ammo isn't sealed with any sort of extra manufacturing step. Any sealling is just thanks to friction fits between bullet, primer and the case. Combine that with carry gun going in & out of warm & cold environments, maybe next to a sweaty body. Doesn't sound like a good place to store ammo for too long. Rotating out ammo in a carry gun is never a bad idea. It depends on your gun. My brand spankin new PF9 dings the side of the case when you slam the magazine in. Do that 10 times and there's a significant dent in the round. "Goes Bad" is a way to describe metal fatigue, moisture, corrosion, dings, and scratches to the great unwashed masses. As a concept, it gets the idea across well enough. (Though, now that we aren't doing the disarm-case-place-pickup-load-rack-holster-dance all the goddamn time it'll be an issue where the same round sits in the gun for months.) Anyway, at $99 you can take a GOOD class from MATC from two police instructors with excellent credentials and teaching experience. Don't fart around with F&F unless it's a quarter of that price.
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