Posted: 12/22/2011 8:17:37 PM EDT
|
I say fuck all those open range motherfucking ranchers! Anyone else drops shit in the highway that someone else crashes into and gets hurt, the person that dropped it is liable. Ranchers can let dumb motherfucking cows wander around highways with but if a cow gets hit, then the person that hit the cow has to pay for the fucking thing! This shit worked 200 years ago when folks were riding horses and buggies and shit. When folks have to drive out at 4am to get to work 80 miles away the shit should change. Any rancher who has a cow that causes someone injury on the highway (you know, where PEOPLE are DRIVING) should have to pay the cost of any medical and car damage costs. This shit ought to be illegal! I just had a coworker get Careflighted to Reno because some fucking cows were on the road 30 miles out of Fallon. Thank God he was wearing a seatbelt. He's alive and responsive, but he'll need some surgery on his face. I think the cockbag rancher who owns the cows should be horsewhipped until his own fucking family can't recognize him. A fucking quarter of the mine personnel ended up standing around while the paramedics/firemen got him on a board and down to the amblance. Do you know what it's like watching a coworker stuck in a car covered in his own blood freezing for a fucking hour because of stupid fucking livestock? We had guys taking off their coats and laying it in the guy to try and keep him warm (it was ~ 20 F outside with a breeze) before the paramedics got there. FUCK!!!  If anybody's so inclined...his name's Todd and I think prayer's help. |
|
Quoted:
Prayers sent. Open range is a part of life here, you have to drive knowing that livestock in the road is a very real reality. Good headlights and not overdriving the light they provide is critical. I pray that your coworker recovers quickly and completely. I've been a serial scofflaw for decades due to my insistence on having BRIGHT lights on my vehicles. I've had "Illegal" 100 watt halogen driving lights, "Illegal" 100 watt halogen headlamps, and even aircraft landing lights mounted. The ONLY times I have ever hit anything were times I was compliant with the stinking light standard laws, which are written to prevent us using non-GE/Sylvania products. European lights have always been a decade ahead of ours, but are "not D.O.T. Compliant". Risk the ticket, learn to dim for oncoming traffic and it's unlikely to be a problem. Get some effective lights on your vehicles, screw the factory "CANDLEPOWER" dim bulbs. Hope the guy recovers quickly. Get him some real driving lights for Christmas, the good ones rally drivers use, not O'Riely crap. Oh, and if the rancher wants me to pay for his cow, I want the beef! |
|
Never heard of having to pay for the cow that was in the road when you hit it. Unless a speed workup determined the driver was reckless in how fast he was operating the vehicle. Or is it simply the insurance companies paying out a little here to avoid having to pay more on a lawsuit that even if they win they still pay more than a settlement would have cost? Your BAC couldn't have been that high on your rant; you still had punctuation, sentence and some paragraph structure going there. More than what most can manage completely sober.
|
|
Looks good, but won't work. The sudden stop will not change much. The lift may do more to protect you than the crash bars, critters on four legs tend to roll over the hood and go through the windshield. Portable daylight will be more effective. Of course some folk still hit the critters even on clear days. |
|
Quoted:
Looks good, but won't work. There is no way around something the size of a cow doing damage- agreed The sudden stop will not change much. The bigger and heavier the moving obect the less likely I am to come to a full stop The lift may do more to protect you than the crash bars, critters on four legs tend to roll over the hood and go through the windshield.If a cow makes it onto my hood I will take pics and post them here (if I survive) Portable daylight will be more effective.I bought some Lightforce lights, one of these days I will put them on Of course some folk still hit the critters even on clear days.That would be my luck Big heavy truck with big ass bumper puts me way ahead of 90% of cars on the road. The guy designed the bumpers with hitting deer in mind and has saved quite a few trucks(I know they are much smaller than most cows) My post was mainly in fun to lighten the mood 
|
|
HID lighting retrofit kits are cheap now. You can even get the cheap Walmart driving lights and replace the halogens with HID. Very, very, bright and uses less power than halogens.
http://www.ddmtuning.com/Product-Categories/Motorcycle-HID-Kits-Lighting |
|
Open range pisses me off. I have to walk around in fucking cow shit while hunting public property because the ranchers don't have enough fucking grass for their herds? Not to mention they don't open their private land to hunting.
Never thought ill of the practice until I realized it's one-sided benefits. |
|
Quoted:
Open range has been around alot longer than you have been ... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And free ranging Buffalo were here long before european cattle arrived here. Too bad the Buffalo aren't allowed to free range and prosper like the cattle. Ranchers have them killed off to protect their beef. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Open range has been around alot longer than you have been ... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Too bad the Buffalo aren't allowed to free range and prosper like the cattle. Ranchers have them killed off to protect their beef. Actually, I believe the US Government had them killed off to reduce the Native American population. Also, deer, elk, antelope, coyotes, fox, bobcat, mountain lion, bears, dogs, cats, rabbits, cyclists and pedestrians all free range, with or without barbed wire fences. Don't overdrive your lights. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Open range has been around alot longer than you have been ... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Too bad the Buffalo aren't allowed to free range and prosper like the cattle. Ranchers have them killed off to protect their beef. Actually, I believe the US Government had them killed off to reduce the Native American population. Also, deer, elk, antelope, coyotes, fox, bobcat, mountain lion, bears, dogs, cats, rabbits, cyclists and pedestrians all free range, with or without barbed wire fences. Don't overdrive your lights. Yes, 150 yrs ago. Current situation is different. Open range isn't really a problem for me, just irritates the shit out of me that ranchers can let loose their cattle all over the damn place and they wipe out food lots for game animals. And they don't allow hunting on their private land a majority of the time. Feral dogs and cats should be shot on sight as well. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Open range has been around alot longer than you have been ... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Too bad the Buffalo aren't allowed to free range and prosper like the cattle. Ranchers have them killed off to protect their beef. Actually, I believe the US Government had them killed off to reduce the Native American population. Also, deer, elk, antelope, coyotes, fox, bobcat, mountain lion, bears, dogs, cats, rabbits, cyclists and pedestrians all free range, with or without barbed wire fences. Don't overdrive your lights. Yes, 150 yrs ago. Current situation is different. Open range isn't really a problem for me, just irritates the shit out of me that ranchers can let loose their cattle all over the damn place and they wipe out food lots for game animals. And they don't allow hunting on their private land a majority of the time. Feral dogs and cats should be shot on sight as well. Basic rule of driving - don't overdrive your visibility - it could have been a non-animate road obstacle as well, or some other wildlife. If it had been a horse, bear, or deer, who would y'all whine to about it? My sympathies for the guy that got hurt, but don't blame others for his bad practices. As far as anti-rancher......those who didn't come from an ag-based community........good luck communicating with rural Nevadans. Just don't pass yourselves off as one. If you don't like how things are outside the city, don't leave it. Please. Most of the grazing lands in Nevada are Federal, so thank your lucky stars that we are not like Colorado in that respect. Permission to access and utilize is not required for most of Nevada land......although friend Harry and the rest of the .gov would like to change that. People that show up and have no respect for the communities and practices that have been here for much longer than they have are personally irritating. No sympathy for the attitudes here, clearly not enough time spent getting to know the backcountry and the people that live there. Sound like California drive-through adventuring types to me. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Open range has been around alot longer than you have been ... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Too bad the Buffalo aren't allowed to free range and prosper like the cattle. Ranchers have them killed off to protect their beef. Actually, I believe the US Government had them killed off to reduce the Native American population. Also, deer, elk, antelope, coyotes, fox, bobcat, mountain lion, bears, dogs, cats, rabbits, cyclists and pedestrians all free range, with or without barbed wire fences. Don't overdrive your lights. Yes, 150 yrs ago. Current situation is different. Open range isn't really a problem for me, just irritates the shit out of me that ranchers can let loose their cattle all over the damn place and they wipe out food lots for game animals. And they don't allow hunting on their private land a majority of the time. Feral dogs and cats should be shot on sight as well. Basic rule of driving - don't overdrive your visibility - it could have been a non-animate road obstacle as well, or some other wildlife. If it had been a horse, bear, or deer, who would y'all whine to about it? My sympathies for the guy that got hurt, but don't blame others for his bad practices. As far as anti-rancher......those who didn't come from an ag-based community........good luck communicating with rural Nevadans. Just don't pass yourselves off as one. If you don't like how things are outside the city, don't leave it. Please. Most of the grazing lands in Nevada are Federal, so thank your lucky stars that we are not like Colorado in that respect. Permission to access and utilize is not required for most of Nevada land......although friend Harry and the rest of the .gov would like to change that. People that show up and have no respect for the communities and practices that have been here for much longer than they have are personally irritating. No sympathy for the attitudes here, clearly not enough time spent getting to know the backcountry and the people that live there. Sound like California drive-through adventuring types to me. That's all well and good, and I appreciate the sentiment, but inanimate objects don't wander into traffic lanes unannounced. Something that wasn't there, i.e. on the road, now is. Surprise. And if you run the type of lighting that would actually light up the entire area sufficiently to see mobile threats not even on the road (yet) now you're going to get a ticket or piss off oncoming motorists. |
|
Quoted: Open range has been around alot longer than you have been ... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And? Just because it's been done that way in the past is not justification in and of itself for it to continue. I'm not against open range per se, but I do wonder if we can do anything to ameliorate some of the negative consequences of it. How about getting some convicts/trustees to put up fencing along the highways, chain-gang style? "Puttin' the fence up, boss" "You go on and put up the fence there"  |
|
Quoted: Quoted: Open range has been around alot longer than you have been ... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And? Just because it's been done that way in the past is not justification in and of itself for it to continue. I'm not against open range per se, but I do wonder if we can do anything to ameliorate some of the negative consequences of it. How about getting some convicts/trustees to put up fencing along the highways, chain-gang style? "Puttin' the fence up, boss" "You go on and put up the fence there" Lots of Nevada highways ARE fenced. Where did this happen, was it on a paved highway? How fast was your guy going? Inanimate objects *do* end up in the road, all the time. Rocks fall down hillsides, unsecured loads fall off of rigs, cows get hit and lay in the middle of the road. We're not saying we don't have sympathy for your guy hitting a cow, what we saying is there was probably quite a bit he could have done to prevent the situation. |
|
Ahh, I remember the guy who hit a refrigerator that had fallen off a truck, while riding his motorcycle around a blind curve.
He survived, barely. Here's a link to an illustration of driving and fog lights for anyone who wants to know the difference. I am not happy unless running both. http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-images/2100_la.gif Fogs need to be mounted LOW, putting them up high is a waste, it makes them useless, the idea is to illuminate the road UNDER the fog. Fogs can also be used to illuminate the side of the road if aimed carefully. Driving lights (Pencil beam) should be mounted only high enough to allow them to be used to their full potential, near the windshield or on the roof is bad, it causes glare on your own glass! When possible I get Euro headlamps, nice bright beam with a sharp cut-off that will not be so likely to annoy oncoming drivers even if I'm a little slow on dipping the beam. I also like to wire my driving lights to work in conjunction with my high-beams, with a manual override. As I have said, I'm a scofflaw when it come to (dim) legal lights, I know how to dim them when necessary and find real lighting a necessity for rural driving, even on clear nights far away from "Open Range". I prefer to see the critters before they get in front of me, or in time to stop/avoid them safely. Worst car - animal wreck I know of locally was a gal who hit an already dead bear, at night. It was like she had hit a tree or boulder, she and her husband both went to the emergency room. |
|
No inanimate objects on roads? Wow. The right to a clear path on the road isn't in the Constitution, y'know.
I've hit a dead bear myself, at night, on a four-lane road, on a summit, at 65 mph. It's about the hardest thing to see. All that happened was a broken exhaust and a lot of bear grease on the underside of the vehicle, mostly because I didn't panic and just centered him between the wheels. Two other people hit him right after I did. I've also seen appliances, mattresses, dead vehicles, and all sorts of other things on the road. Fences don't stop animals from getting onto the road, but they help. Fences don't stop idiots parking their broken-down cars in the lane, or bicyclists from riding in the lane, or poorly-secured objects from falling off of vehicles, or rocks/debris/trees from getting onto the road, or idiots crossing the centerline. Ready for the tongue-in-cheek? From the comments here, it sounds like what we really need are a few more laws regulating highway objects, some class-action lawsuits against anything that gets in your way, and a lot of government money spent on studies, tests, and safety infrastructure so that all of you "feel safe." Maybe y'all should hire Sarah Brady as a consultant, she knows all about that approach. Or, you could simply follow the basic rules of safe driving to keep yourselves out of 99% of the trouble out on the road. Personal responsibility is inconvenient, I know. That's why we have so many driving incidents in the US...... Aim high - can you see 15 secs ahead? Get the big picture - what are the road and visibility conditions, what is your personal and vehicles condition? Keep your eyes moving - don't zone out, keep alert. Leave yourself an out - always have a place to go if there are obstacles in the way. Make sure you can see and are visible to others. If you KNOW that you are driving in Open Range areas, simply add cows to the list of hazards to prepare for. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Open range has been around alot longer than you have been ... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Too bad the Buffalo aren't allowed to free range and prosper like the cattle. Ranchers have them killed off to protect their beef. Actually, I believe the US Government had them killed off to reduce the Native American population. Also, deer, elk, antelope, coyotes, fox, bobcat, mountain lion, bears, dogs, cats, rabbits, cyclists and pedestrians all free range, with or without barbed wire fences. Don't overdrive your lights. Yes, 150 yrs ago. Current situation is different. Open range isn't really a problem for me, just irritates the shit out of me that ranchers can let loose their cattle all over the damn place and they wipe out food lots for game animals. And they don't allow hunting on their private land a majority of the time. Feral dogs and cats should be shot on sight as well. Basic rule of driving - don't overdrive your visibility - it could have been a non-animate road obstacle as well, or some other wildlife. If it had been a horse, bear, or deer, who would y'all whine to about it? My sympathies for the guy that got hurt, but don't blame others for his bad practices. As far as anti-rancher......those who didn't come from an ag-based community........good luck communicating with rural Nevadans. Just don't pass yourselves off as one. If you don't like how things are outside the city, don't leave it. Please. Most of the grazing lands in Nevada are Federal, so thank your lucky stars that we are not like Colorado in that respect. Permission to access and utilize is not required for most of Nevada land......although friend Harry and the rest of the .gov would like to change that. People that show up and have no respect for the communities and practices that have been here for much longer than they have are personally irritating. No sympathy for the attitudes here, clearly not enough time spent getting to know the backcountry and the people that live there. Sound like California drive-through adventuring types to me. LMAO Ag community in Nevada? More like hobby farms. Buddy, I grew up in rural central California and know plenty about communicating with "rural people" as I was one of them. My gripes about free grazing DO stem more from my Colorado experience, not Nevada. |
|
Quoted:
No inanimate objects on roads? Wow. The right to a clear path on the road isn't in the Constitution, y'know. I've hit a dead bear myself, at night, on a four-lane road, on a summit, at 65 mph. It's about the hardest thing to see. All that happened was a broken exhaust and a lot of bear grease on the underside of the vehicle, mostly because I didn't panic and just centered him between the wheels. Two other people hit him right after I did. I've also seen appliances, mattresses, dead vehicles, and all sorts of other things on the road. Fences don't stop animals from getting onto the road, but they help. Fences don't stop idiots parking their broken-down cars in the lane, or bicyclists from riding in the lane, or poorly-secured objects from falling off of vehicles, or rocks/debris/trees from getting onto the road, or idiots crossing the centerline. Ready for the tongue-in-cheek? From the comments here, it sounds like what we really need are a few more laws regulating highway objects, some class-action lawsuits against anything that gets in your way, and a lot of government money spent on studies, tests, and safety infrastructure so that all of you "feel safe." Maybe y'all should hire Sarah Brady as a consultant, she knows all about that approach. Or, you could simply follow the basic rules of safe driving to keep yourselves out of 99% of the trouble out on the road. Personal responsibility is inconvenient, I know. That's why we have so many driving incidents in the US...... Aim high - can you see 15 secs ahead? Get the big picture - what are the road and visibility conditions, what is your personal and vehicles condition? Keep your eyes moving - don't zone out, keep alert. Leave yourself an out - always have a place to go if there are obstacles in the way. Make sure you can see and are visible to others. If you KNOW that you are driving in Open Range areas, simply add cows to the list of hazards to prepare for. Okay, lets discuss personal responsibility. Wouldn't you say the rancher that OWNS the cows should have some responsibility to keep their beef off of the highways? Lets not confuse wildlife and property as they are different. Shit happens with wildlife and there is little that can be done other than being aware of where you are driving through. And yes, assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces. They too are responsible for their actions as any other reckless driving prick. |
|
Quoted:
Okay, lets discuss personal responsibility. Wouldn't you say the rancher that OWNS the cows should have some responsibility to keep their beef off of the highways? Lets not confuse wildlife and property as they are different. Shit happens with wildlife and there is little that can be done other than being aware of where you are driving through. And yes, assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces. They too are responsible for their actions as any other reckless driving prick. Most open range land is owned by the federal government and leased to ranchers. The leases can be from two to no more than 10 years. I don't think you will find too many circumstances where it would be economically feasible for a rancher to invest in fencing improvements to land that he does not own and may not even be able to use after a couple years. |
Why does this thread remind me of Klinton wanting to fire all the cattle guards? 
We have hundreds of thousands of miles of fence separating "The range" from roads, to the point that it can be difficult to find access to the public land. But there are openings in the fences, usually but not always equipped with a cattle guard. Cattle guards probably become ineffective when they get filled up with sand and dirt, I've always been skeptical of the ones that are just painted on the road. If we could just put the land back under STATE control where it belongs, leases could be longer, control would become more local and less erratic, there would be more incentive to make substantial improvements, etc. As it is I do not see Nevada ever having a stable economy, 87% of the land is locked out by the Fed., we have too few local resources while under their control. |
|
Wildlife on roads happen. Rocks falling on roads happen. Ranchers releasing herds of slow, dumb, moving obstructions 300 feet away from highways...don't just happen. As for comments in the spirit of 'real Nevadans'...there are plenty of real, rural, native Nevadans that think open range is a dumb idea. Especially the real and rural Nevadans that must traverse these highways in the midst of open range. I know that we've all seen the bumper stickers saying 'Nevada...We grow things here' but I can't help the feeling of 'so what?'. It seems that we're primarily mining and gaming. Ag is kind of a second-thought, but if anyone has the domestic product numbers to prove me wrong I'll bite. I also can't shake the mental image of a movie called 'Cows on the Road' with a certain S.L.J. stating 'Get these motherfuckin' cows of my motherfuckin' roads!'
|
|
I just don't see the big deal here. I drive open range alot. I have been doing it for almost 15 years. I have never hit or almost hit a cow. I pay attention, if I see something big or something that looks like it might *possibly* be anything other than a Joshua Tree or an overgrown desert bush I'm alert and ready to brake. I'll be honest I kinda like to see cows on the road, it reminds me I'm not in the big city with some 89yo woman on my bumper so she can get to Walgreens and get her stupid prescription filled during "rush hour".
Open Range where the cows meander on the highway? No open range where senior citizens and illegal aliens are clogging every fucking road going absolutely nowhere and trying to do it at breakneck speeds? I'll take a rural Nevada highway with the cows thankyouverymuch. |
|
1. Driving at night in a KNOWN open range where it is marked clearly = should be driving for conditions! If the weather is shitty and I SUSPECT Ice on the road and I'm driving at night then I would drive slower. If there are signs warning me of "OPEN RANGE", and I SUSPECT there maybe cows on the road AND i'm driving at night, then I would drive slower for appropriate conditions.
2. Spending millions with tax payers dollars for fencing on public lands, making it harder to access those public lands = retarded 3. It is open range so that it is cost effective for the rancher, community and State to provide beef for your dinner tonight at a good price for you at the store. 4. I don't give a fuck how they did it in California or Colorado. This is how it is done in Nevada. There are reasons it is open range. If you don't like it then move. The last thing we need is more laws on the books telling us what we can or cannot do. 5. Accidents happen. It's impossible to prevent them all from happening, as tragic as it sounds. I hope the driver is doing better. I do not wish him ill in anyway or trying to take away from his experience or trauma. and lastly...I think all you retards who call for: “the cockbag rancher who owns the cows should be horsewhipped until his own fucking family can't recognize him.” And: “assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces” are assclowns. Yep, that’s what that rancher deserves for participating in a completely legal practice!!! Lets horsewhip him. Comments like these DO take away from the accident your friend had. Nothing like complete ignorance to help portray the U.S. society as nothing more than 3rd world country thugs with internet access. Makes me sick |
|
Quoted:
1. Driving at night in a KNOWN open range where it is marked clearly = should be driving for conditions! If the weather is shitty and I SUSPECT Ice on the road and I'm driving at night then I would drive slower. If there are signs warning me of "OPEN RANGE", and I SUSPECT there maybe cows on the road AND i'm driving at night, then I would drive slower for appropriate conditions. 2. Spending millions with tax payers dollars for fencing on public lands, making it harder to access those public lands = retarded 3. It is open range so that it is cost effective for the rancher, community and State to provide beef for your dinner tonight at a good price for you at the store. 4. I don't give a fuck how they did it in California or Colorado. This is how it is done in Nevada. There are reasons it is open range. If you don't like it then move. The last thing we need is more laws on the books telling us what we can or cannot do. 5. Accidents happen. It's impossible to prevent them all from happening, as tragic as it sounds. I hope the driver is doing better. I do not wish him ill in anyway or trying to take away from his experience or trauma. and lastly...I think all you retards who call for: “the cockbag rancher who owns the cows should be horsewhipped until his own fucking family can't recognize him.” And: “assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces” are assclowns. Yep, that’s what that rancher deserves for participating in a completely legal practice!!! Lets horsewhip him. Comments like these DO take away from the accident your friend had. Nothing like complete ignorance to help portray the U.S. society as nothing more than 3rd world country thugs with internet access. Makes me sick Need a hug? |
|
Quoted: Yeesh...do I need to explain drunken and rant to you? You never let off steam?1. Driving at night in a KNOWN open range where it is marked clearly = should be driving for conditions! If the weather is shitty and I SUSPECT Ice on the road and I'm driving at night then I would drive slower. If there are signs warning me of "OPEN RANGE", and I SUSPECT there maybe cows on the road AND i'm driving at night, then I would drive slower for appropriate conditions. 2. Spending millions with tax payers dollars for fencing on public lands, making it harder to access those public lands = retarded 3. It is open range so that it is cost effective for the rancher, community and State to provide beef for your dinner tonight at a good price for you at the store. 4. I don't give a fuck how they did it in California or Colorado. This is how it is done in Nevada. There are reasons it is open range. If you don't like it then move. The last thing we need is more laws on the books telling us what we can or cannot do. 5. Accidents happen. It's impossible to prevent them all from happening, as tragic as it sounds. I hope the driver is doing better. I do not wish him ill in anyway or trying to take away from his experience or trauma. and lastly...I think all you retards who call for: "the cockbag rancher who owns the cows should be horsewhipped until his own fucking family can't recognize him.” And: "assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces” are assclowns. Yep, that’s what that rancher deserves for participating in a completely legal practice!!! Lets horsewhip him. Comments like these DO take away from the accident your friend had. Nothing like complete ignorance to help portray the U.S. society as nothing more than 3rd world country thugs with internet access. Makes me sick Calling me an assclown for my statement...well, I was drunk and it's called hyperbole. Whatever, I got thick skin. It was far more cathartic than stating "I am not happy with the current situation". And again...I was drunk.  I also do not give a fuck about how things are done in Colorado, California, or the 47 states that are not my own. My issue is with how WE (as NEVADANS) do things. Self-governance and all that. What problem do you have with someone saying "assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces"? Have you never seen broken furniture, mattresses, and other debris that obviously fell from a vehicle and causes a road-hazard? Do you think people should shirk their responsibilities? I believe someone died (or got hurt pretty bad) on I-80 through Reno a couple years ago from a cupboard or something that fell out of a truck. There are accidents and there are negligent acts. My view at this time is that releasing the cattle near the highways is morally (if not legally) negligent. If the comments posted here have upset you greatly, might I suggest a drunken internet rant? It worked for me and it can work for you! |
|
Quoted:
I just don't see the big deal here. I drive open range alot. I have been doing it for almost 15 years. I have never hit or almost hit a cow. I pay attention, if I see something big or something that looks like it might *possibly* be anything other than a Joshua Tree or an overgrown desert bush I'm alert and ready to brake. I'll be honest I kinda like to see cows on the road, it reminds me I'm not in the big city with some 89yo woman on my bumper so she can get to Walgreens and get her stupid prescription filled during "rush hour". Open Range where the cows meander on the highway? No open range where senior citizens and illegal aliens are clogging every fucking road going absolutely nowhere and trying to do it at breakneck speeds? I'll take a rural Nevada highway with the cows thankyouverymuch. I have been driving open range in Nevada since 1978. I drive the same roads as Wolfpack speaks of every week and have been doing so over 10 years. I have NEVER hit domestic cattle but I have hit more deer than I care to discuss. Cattle are slow moving when grazing and I am alert for them. Deer on the other hand are fucking unpredictable and piss me off. If you pay attention and do not over drive your head lights you will see the cattle and not have problems. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
1. Driving at night in a KNOWN open range where it is marked clearly = should be driving for conditions! If the weather is shitty and I SUSPECT Ice on the road and I'm driving at night then I would drive slower. If there are signs warning me of "OPEN RANGE", and I SUSPECT there maybe cows on the road AND i'm driving at night, then I would drive slower for appropriate conditions. 2. Spending millions with tax payers dollars for fencing on public lands, making it harder to access those public lands = retarded 3. It is open range so that it is cost effective for the rancher, community and State to provide beef for your dinner tonight at a good price for you at the store. 4. I don't give a fuck how they did it in California or Colorado. This is how it is done in Nevada. There are reasons it is open range. If you don't like it then move. The last thing we need is more laws on the books telling us what we can or cannot do. 5. Accidents happen. It's impossible to prevent them all from happening, as tragic as it sounds. I hope the driver is doing better. I do not wish him ill in anyway or trying to take away from his experience or trauma. and lastly...I think all you retards who call for: “the cockbag rancher who owns the cows should be horsewhipped until his own fucking family can't recognize him.” And: “assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces” are assclowns. Yep, that’s what that rancher deserves for participating in a completely legal practice!!! Lets horsewhip him. Comments like these DO take away from the accident your friend had. Nothing like complete ignorance to help portray the U.S. society as nothing more than 3rd world country thugs with internet access. Makes me sick Need a hug? I think it's been clearly established what the state of mind, concepts of entitlement, and political backgrounds of the various viewpoints are, heh. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
I just don't see the big deal here. I drive open range alot. I have been doing it for almost 15 years. I have never hit or almost hit a cow. I pay attention, if I see something big or something that looks like it might *possibly* be anything other than a Joshua Tree or an overgrown desert bush I'm alert and ready to brake. I'll be honest I kinda like to see cows on the road, it reminds me I'm not in the big city with some 89yo woman on my bumper so she can get to Walgreens and get her stupid prescription filled during "rush hour". Open Range where the cows meander on the highway? No open range where senior citizens and illegal aliens are clogging every fucking road going absolutely nowhere and trying to do it at breakneck speeds? I'll take a rural Nevada highway with the cows thankyouverymuch. I have been driving open range in Nevada since 1978. I drive the same roads as Wolfpack speaks of every week and have been doing so over 10 years. I have NEVER hit domestic cattle but I have hit more deer than I care to discuss. Cattle are slow moving when grazing and I am alert for them. Deer on the other hand are fucking unpredictable and piss me off. If you pay attention and do not over drive your head lights you will see the cattle and not have problems. Drove up late last night, it was about 10pm on 375. Was going 50 and almost had a heart attack when I passed a black one on just a few feet from the highway off to the side. Definitely keeps you awake. I've seen at least 5 dead cows that have been hit on 375 the past 2 months. Today was a young one but the rash of hits on that highway tells me people need to pay attention and slow down. Everytime I'm at the Little A Le Inn and a tourist is leaving I tell them to watch the cows and be careful, most just laugh it off and look at me like I'm nuts. 
|
This is/was my truck after hitting a 4 year old cow on an open range... You want to know who I was pissed off at when this happened? ME!!! I live in a mining community and the miners drive way to fucking fast on the roads trying to get to work.. Shit happens.. I hope your friend is okay, but don't blame the ranchers.. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Yeesh...do I need to explain drunken and rant to you? You never let off steam?
1. Driving at night in a KNOWN open range where it is marked clearly = should be driving for conditions! If the weather is shitty and I SUSPECT Ice on the road and I'm driving at night then I would drive slower. If there are signs warning me of "OPEN RANGE", and I SUSPECT there maybe cows on the road AND i'm driving at night, then I would drive slower for appropriate conditions. 2. Spending millions with tax payers dollars for fencing on public lands, making it harder to access those public lands = retarded 3. It is open range so that it is cost effective for the rancher, community and State to provide beef for your dinner tonight at a good price for you at the store. 4. I don't give a fuck how they did it in California or Colorado. This is how it is done in Nevada. There are reasons it is open range. If you don't like it then move. The last thing we need is more laws on the books telling us what we can or cannot do. 5. Accidents happen. It's impossible to prevent them all from happening, as tragic as it sounds. I hope the driver is doing better. I do not wish him ill in anyway or trying to take away from his experience or trauma. and lastly...I think all you retards who call for: "the cockbag rancher who owns the cows should be horsewhipped until his own fucking family can't recognize him.” And: "assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces” are assclowns. Yep, that’s what that rancher deserves for participating in a completely legal practice!!! Lets horsewhip him. Comments like these DO take away from the accident your friend had. Nothing like complete ignorance to help portray the U.S. society as nothing more than 3rd world country thugs with internet access. Makes me sick Calling me an assclown for my statement...well, I was drunk and it's called hyperbole. Whatever, I got thick skin. It was far more cathartic than stating "I am not happy with the current situation". And again...I was drunk.
I also do not give a fuck about how things are done in Colorado, California, or the 47 states that are not my own. My issue is with how WE (as NEVADANS) do things. Self-governance and all that. What problem do you have with someone saying "assholes that have crap fall out of their vehicles and cause accidents should be punched in their stupid faces"? Have you never seen broken furniture, mattresses, and other debris that obviously fell from a vehicle and causes a road-hazard? Do you think people should shirk their responsibilities? I believe someone died (or got hurt pretty bad) on I-80 through Reno a couple years ago from a cupboard or something that fell out of a truck. There are accidents and there are negligent acts. My view at this time is that releasing the cattle near the highways is morally (if not legally) negligent. If the comments posted here have upset you greatly, might I suggest a drunken internet rant? It worked for me and it can work for you!
I have a problem with your statement because you think someone deserves to be physically beaten because a mattress falls out of there vehicle. By your wording, beaten regardless if they cause an accident or not. You are in idiot for saying it. Sounds a lot like the dictatorships that our men and women have fought and died fighting against. Places like Iraq, Korea, etc. I believe in this country, including it's Constitution and laws. I have no problem debating a subject with you or anyone here. But calling for physical violence when it's not needed is anarchy. If it's needed then lets go kick some ass. If someone is found negligent and an item falls out of their vehicle and causes and accident then by the law he/she should be criminally and civially prosecuted. Not by some Joe Dirt redneck who just wants to punch them to make them feel tough. Someday we have to grow up and not live our lives as if we are on the school playground. And by the way.......a hug would be nice. And I was 100% sober. |
|
Quoted:
. Sounds a lot like the dictatorships that our men and women have fought and died fighting against. Places like Iraq, Korea, etc. Ok first off that would only be true if it was the government or leadership mandating a beating. People have been keeping people in line with violence since time began. What do you think spanking is? |