Posted: 11/25/2007 6:11:29 PM EDT
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I am not trying to spread rumors, but I have learned a few things since I relocated here from Ft. Bragg It seems like there are a lot of civilians and local LEO's stocking up on supplies like ammor and tactical gear incase of an outbreak or a new law passes. AR/AK supplies are in high demand now more than ever...Why? Gun Laws? or is it something in the air we all the same mind smell? I did learn this..... Has anyone heard of the El Salvadorian Gang MS13? They have members in 33 states so far, 30 thous. members per state and growing rapidly. So Far they have executed 7 federal officers and 1 Sherrif's wife in Virgina. There is hard copy evidence this gang is tied in with AlQuida getting them from mexico to the U.S. to a total of 248 that we know of with 70 dirty suitcase bombs. Now if no one has tied this together, incase one of these bombs are detonated downtown Indy, everyone flees to the suburbs and homes will be disrupted and the shit will hit the fan! ......I am not even sure this will happen, just putting pieces together and thinking of plan B. Also this MS13 gang is very violent, threaten and carry out many attempts on LEO's so for my brothers in blue, and everyone Be Safe! I am not trying to start anything just sharing info, that you may have already learned about. deleted |
| Couldn't a huge attack or some sort of terrorism create a economic collapse. I could forsee them going hand in hand. Remember it seems most people rely on some other form than themselves to provide for them. Think NOLA, but that was generally secluded to a region. Imagine something widespread, causing panic and fear. Fear and panic could easily cause a economic collapse. |
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It's the fear of next year's elections. People are stocking up in case there will be another ban. Everytime I talk to gun owners, I get something like, "Oh, I'm good, I've got enough mags and stripped lowers for a lifetime." Instead of worrying about the rights of our children, we worry about buying in bulk and taking a future ban as an inevitable fact. Fucking pathetic. |
+1. If I hear another customer say "Once Hillary gets in office," my head's going to explode. IF that happens, buying ammo, mags and lowers is going to be the least of our problems... We should all be doing what we can to make sure it DOESN'T happen! |
+100 I have an employee who says that he has never voted because he never felt like it did him any good. I had a long talk with him. Not to CORRECT his lack of action... just to tell him that his voice along with others that felt the same way would add up pretty quickly. However if all of us who felt overwhelmed by the hugeness of politics in general stayed quiet then those who have the balls to speak out and go vote will take our rights away and we won't have had anything to say about it. Let's all get out there and make our voices heard. |
| Along with the last poster, I too had a co-worker tell me he didn't vote for similar reasons. This guy, no matter how hard I try, I can't make myself like him. After a little fruitless debate I told him in no uncertain terms, "well, if you decide not to have a voice in the political machine, that's your decision. But, from this point forward your opinion on anything from politics to football don't mean shit to me! If you refuse to be part of the solution you are part of the problem." Maybe a little harsh, but that's how I feel. |
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It would be interesting to know what percentage of people here will actually vote (including lurkers). I'll bet it's not even close to 100%, which is unforgiveable. As far as the original poster's concerns ... we should always be ready for emergencies of all kinds, whether MS-13, economic collapse, political tyranny, or natural disasters. |
terrorist attack is engineered, who is responsible is the choice of the person. international bankers are in control of everything IMO. they just pull the strings here and there so blame is placed all the while keeping your eyes off the man behind the curtain. |
You could still use it, but need to get all of the pre-ban parts before a ban takes place. The government has no way of knowing when you assembled the unit. |
Correct. The only grandfathered pre-ban AR-15 rifles were either complete rifles or lower receivers with COMPLETE parts kits. |
So... I hope I'm not going the wrong direction here. If I purchased a complete lower or a stripped lower and the lower parts kit? I don't have anything for my next build but I want to do at least one more. Just WCS (Worst Case Scenario) Would I need to already own everything before the next ban. I understand it will be at least a year before that could even be an issue. Your help is GREATLY appreciated.  (I'm sure I'm not the only one with questions) |
Not sure were you are located, but where I live, there is a gun store about a 45 minute drive into KY that sells complete lowers RRA or DPMS for around $230...And stripped lowers for $119...The last stripped lower I bought I got for $99 from him and the next week, he rasied the price. Not sure about all the post ban stuff, but I believe you can't buy an upper with a flash hider or muzzle brake that is removable. It has to be permently attached, which wouldn't allow you to suspress the unit if you wanted to. There are many people out there who are more qualified to speak on the pre ban vs. post ban stuff then I am. |
I apologize for not being more clear. By "parts kit", I meant the parts kit for the ENTIRE rifle. The last ban required you to either have a complete rifle before the cut-off date or ALL the parts needed to assemble a complete rifle. It was a gray area, as there was no real way for the government to know when you bought and assembled the parts, other than the date of manufacture of the lower receiver. Technically, if all you had was a lower receiver on the cut-off date, you had to assemble it with post-ban parts when you did build it. On the other hand, we don't know for sure if there will ever be another ban. But if there is, it will most likely be AT LEAST as restrictive as the 1994 ban, but will more than likely be much worse. The original ban was ineffective. The anti-gunners wanted to stop manufacture of "assault weapons", therefore they banned certain features that they deemed necessary for the manufacture of assault weapons (flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, etc.) They never dreamed for a minute that manufacturers would exclude these "evil" features and continue building rifles. Therefore, I would expect them to ban manufacture of the rifles this time, instead of just the features. I'm sure that they realized their "mistake" and won't let it happen again. Many don't like the NRA, but they're the best hope we have right now. With the major primary elections coming up in less than 6 months, everyone who is not a member of the NRA eeds to become one -- even if only for one year. That would give the NRA a much-needed, one-time infusion of funds to stand against the anti-gun candidates. |
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WOOHOO I get to put the foil under my helmet cover. as for MS13 from what I hear they're el salvadoran traditionally and came to the US during their little civil wars and the originals had paramilitary training in explosives, weapons, and small unit tactics. As for them being "Hard Core" killing machines in indianapolis not from what I've seen. But I could be wrong, I still read the papers and watch the news, and I used to do security in the "hood" in indy. All I've really seen is a lot of black on black crap some tagging from the little 13's and we had one shoot a .380 pocket pistol in the air one night but that's about it. But Itoo ave been stock piling things like ammo but thats mainly because of the costs involved. As for mags I got more of them than I know what to do with, and stripped lowers, I have a few floating around but mainly because I do one kit a year as a spring time tradition. Anyways I hate politicians I always have, and that's probably the biggest reason to stockpile these days. |
I agree. |
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I agree that voting is important, but I disagree with the assertion that those who don't vote have no right to complain. Our system was devised to protect everyone's rights, to include those with no interest in politics. If the government were to represent only those who vote, we'd have a dictatorship of the majority (or proletariat). |
Well said ! I have to agree and this way of thinking leads us to also believe that the "government" is somehow separate from the people. The government and the Constitution belong to me. I have not and will not abdicate my right to either. 
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Back to the issue of the long-dead 1994 bans ... Okay, so you had to have a complete rifle or at least the parts for the lower to be "pre-ban." Q: Did the lower just have to be a rifle at one time? It seems like if you have one upper, and all the parts for the multiple lowers you had, you could just slap the upper on each completed lowere assembly and voila! It was a complete rifle. Kind of the opposite of people who have lots of uppers to go with a few lowers in effect, but for a completely different reason. |
My read was that it had to be assembled in a banned configuration prior to the enactment of said ban.
Be sure to document each assembly, with photos showing the receiver S/N and a date stamp. Several folks I know did just this sort of thing after the ban expired, for fear of a new one coming immediately on its heels. |