Posted: 5/12/2004 10:13:13 AM EDT
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Seeing the video yesterday of Berg being beheaded made me really think about my views on this whole thing. What are your views on the war on terror? What do you feel should be done? What do you think the outcome will be? What economic role do you see it playing on our nation here in the next few years? Feel free to answer what you want and or leave blank. IF you have something to add please do. I would just like to see where everyone else stands in this madness! Thanks |
I think FLAL1A said it best:
I think it is time the gloves came off. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Lip service from a couple of Arabic news agencies is not enough from me. It is time for the gloves to come off. It is time for the governments of these nations to start putting up or shut up. Quit condoning the terrrorists. Quit calling them martrys for killing pregnant mothers and little girls. Quit covertly funding them. Quit condoning them. Either help find them, identify them, etc or expect a knock on your door from the big US. It is time we demand justice. It is time we quit worrying whether we may 'offend' someone or look barbaric. We need to be barbaric and worrying that we may look barbaric should not be priority number 1. It is time to call a spade a spade, a pansie a pansie. It is time we told some of the bed wetters in this country to shut up and stand to the side. Bunch of soccer moms shouldn't be telling the government and the military how to run things. I hate to use a cliche, but here goes: The military is good at two things; killing people and breaking things. I think it is time to let them do what they do best. Remove the restraints we have placed on them and let them go. Time we start cleaning house, inside and out.  |
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Frankly I feel the gloves need to come off, and we need to add a few new states to the U.S. One thing that worries me is the large number of Muslim/islamic people who work at the airport as contractors (cleaning aircraft interiors/fueling/gate gourmet/food counters). What worries me is even though these people stay quiet and act dumb, these are some cunning little fuckers who probably wouldn't hesitate to kill someone/sabotage/set a bomb somewhere if Hamas/Islamic Jihad/PLO and the like were to promise to take care of their family. Personally I'd like to see it where you can carry on the airport, but that won't happen, I guess I'm gonna have to call APD every time I see a suspicious looking possible muslim. I wonder how many consecutive nights I could get APD out there before being fired. None of this is meant in a joking manner, and if I was a little too harsh on muslims on a whole, Book let me know, and I'll strike the whole post. |
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I find no fault in your post. I agree, the gloves need to come off. The biggest problem I have with Bush right now is the "kid gloves" crap. Let the Marines do what needs to get done. The bitch slapping those people deserve is long overdo and we're putting our fighting men and women at greater danger for political (i.e. "PC") reasons. Screw that. The people that bitch most about "the government did nothing to prevent 9/11" are the same whinny little bastards that scream "we can't be abusing the enemy!" They are the FUCKING ENEMY! The anti-war people will never like anything we do in Iraq, so quit worrying about what they think!!! Bush needs to let the military leaders steamroll a few of these militant towns. |
Do what you can. One of those food counter rags could put a virus in the food. The others can place weapons on planes or place bombs like you said. I can't believe we allow them anywhere near a fucking airport! ~ s0ulzer0 |
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Bush definately needs to just go in and do it. To hell with the media, to hell with objectors be they liberal, conservative, catholic, whatever. We need to simply fight this war plain and damn simple. We've got nearly 150,000 troops in the sand, let's go in and kick some serious ass. There is just no way short of genocide to make this problem go away completely, we need to strike fear into these animals to the point they crawl under a rock the next time the see the stars and bars and cower in fear. Since we all know genocide is bad and evil, this is my only solution. I believe carpet bombing with MOABs should get the message across, start in Falluja, Mosul or hell, even Baghdad. Do this one city at a time, wait for ANY kind of retaliation from somewhere else, lather, rinse... repeat. Get them all, yes all. It worked like a champ in Japan and all we only had to do it twice. I read over in GD some verses of the Koran, I have not determined on my own that these are indeed the words the teach but if they are, we got some serious work ahead of us. These Muslims will not stop, ever. These people do not seek peace and they never will. All they understand is fear and death and we know what a bunch of pussies these animals actually are, once faced they run like little frenchmen. Let's strike fear and cause death by the boat-load. I dont even know where to go now, I'mso I cant hardly type, I feel hate and rage aginst these monsters. We DO have tactical nukes for a reason, let's use them. I had to got get a beer and I'm going to load up 1000 .223's and maybe a few hundred .45's, it helps me not think about this crap. |
Y'all be careful. Apparently we have quite a few Muslim apologists in the GD forum. We wouldn't want to get their little panities in a wad, now would we. There have been some who have tried to justify the beheading of Berg by asking if we wouldn't do the same thing in the face of an "invading army". They won't come right out and say it, they try to cleverly conceal that notion in the context of what they hope is a legitimate post. |
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LARRYG, I can't wait for you to be my neighbor. You call 'em as you see 'em. I way not always agree (not that I can think of a time where I didn't), but I know where you stand! I was hoping you'd post in this thread. You won't find too many pussies in the GA board! Take care and see ya soon. Mark |
Can you get that in a patch? |
I'm thinking t-shirt. |
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Interesting thread we have here. I can not agree more with what has already been said. These persons are fanatical. Think of the Nazi SS only these yoyos are RELIGOUS nutcases. To them death is a release, not a punishment. It is a way of showing their devotion to Allah, to give ones life for his name. Martyr. The best way to punish them is do disgrace them . (Prison photos) For they can not tolerate the guilt of not following the laws of there religon, because you have to LIVE with the guilt. Back before WWI, there was a Brig. General in the Phillipines. He was having a problem with a particular sect of Muslims. He secured (from what I read) a copy of the Koran and read it. This is where he got his weapon to fight back. With the prisoners he had he made examples of them by doing to them what they were FORBIDDEN to do. As they were pleading for them to end there lives he denied there request and let them live. Soon after the PUBLIC punishments were administerd the uprising was quelled and everyone played nice. Any thought on who that General was??? It was no other than Gen. "Blackjack" Pershing I am a firm beliver in the following quote "THOSE WHO DO NOT REMEBER THE PAST ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT" I feel what happed in those prisons should have stayed in those prisons. I guess that no one ever heard of the bachalor party rule "NO F#@!@ING PICTURES. NO PROOF." If one side is not playing by the rules. Shoud you??? Buzz. |
Warning! Rant to follow! Would we act the same in the face of an invading army? He#@ %$$^ing no! We wouldn't be a bunch of cowards and kidnap unarmed civilian workers and behead them with a rusty saw.We are supposed to be above all that. We might follow in the steps of some of my Rebel forefathers,sniping soldiers or fighting a guerrilla war behind enemy lines,but we would be targeting SOLDIERS, NOT CIVILIANS!!! That is the thing that makes me the maddest about all this.These "great warrior cowards" have to snatch unarmed people and kill them.A soldier knows the risk,and should have a chance to defend himself.An unarmed civilian can not defend themselves. In my opinion,this so called religion of peace is really a religion of cowards who can only fight the unarmed and women.Saddam was a natural for them as a leader.Sadistic and only powerful against the weak. It just would not do for me to be in command of a company in iraq (lower case intended) right now. Had I known it was happening,I would have surrounded that bridge of "great warrior cowards" and take them all into custody, not just let them have a dance around the hanging bodies.Let the mothers of those little boys visit them in that jail.And let the fathers of those boys see what kind of example they have set for them. If I commanded a battalion,the city where Mr. Berg was killed would be now be surrounded.No one in,no one out.No fuel,electricity,or water flowing in. The circle would tighten as each house was cleared of occupants.As the circle tightened,every single person in that town would be taken into custody,left sitting with hands bound in the sand. Sooner or later,if the "great warrior cowards" didn't turn themselves in, someone would turn them in,rather than let their wife and children sit in the sand. Cruel? Maybe. That's why it's good I'm not in charge there.Because I can sink to the lowest level of my opponent when I get angry.And I'm very angry. On another note,what kind of fools allow themselves to be video taped abusing prisoners? And does anyone really belive that one soldier was able to do all that by herself? And just what kind of commanding officers are in charge over there to allow this to go on,or worse yet,as has been alleged,order this kind of idiocy? I can understand using a restraint on someone,so I can maybe understand the collar and leash.But what the he#@ was the purpose of the naked pyramid? Rant over,but I really don't feel any better. Robert. |
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I posted this over in GD, and for some reason, I feel this just fits our current situation. Battle Song |
Amen, brother! |
Example: Frontline There are serious differences in the military these days. I would not have even thought about pulling some of these stunts when I was active 20 years ago and if so, most definitely not in front of a camera! Discipline needs to be re-instated and then we need to take care of business. Just my 2c |
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I'm revisiting this thread because of what I saw on tv the other night. It seems that Nick Berg's father seems to think that our president is to blame for his sons death. While I understand how a grieving person can lash out at anyone,I was really angered by mr bergs statement that al quaida (sp?) might not be as bad as our president. I was so mad in fact that I still haven't come up with any reasonable way to describe it. So,when I went to ehowa.com today,I found the following post by Ernie that about sums it up (I've cleaned up the language): "May 14, 2004 Nothing To See Here, Move Along. Ah Nick, ya poor headless bastich. I've had multiple people send me the Nick Berg beheading video, and I've had multiple people ask me to post the Nick Berg beheading video. I can gladly say that I intend on disappointing you both. Personally, I have no desire to watch a guy get his head hacked off. In fact, I still get the heebie jeebies when my mind flashbacks to the Russian soldier throat slitting video from Chechnya. That was one of those things I wish I could un-see, and I'm pretty sure this Berg thing would be too. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing quite like getting a bunch of guys together with a bunch of beer and watching a bunch of Faces of Death movies. Hell there's a load of people who if they were executed publicly on pay-per-view not only would I get it, but I'd throw a party and Tivo the xxxxxxxxxxxx. But somehow there's something a eerily different about seeing a twenty-six year old telephone technician meet his end at the hands of some crazed religious zealots. And so, you won't find the video here. Now, I've heard a few journalists suggest that everyone should watch the Nick Berg execution, because it reminds of of why we're fighting the war on terror. Nice try, but I haven't forgotten to begin with. And to Nick Berg's father who claims, "Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld." Now I can appreciate the fact that you're in pain, and I can appreciate the fact that your pain is amplified because your son's last moments are being traded around the internet like some goatse video. But let's get something straight. Your son is dead because he was an unarmed American civilian who chose to run around the capital of a country we just invaded. Your son isn't dead because of someone else's sins, other that the crazy eyed wacko who sawed his head off with a butcher knife. It doesn't take the Pink Panther to know that Iraq is a dangerous place especially for American civilians, regardless of their good intentions. Your son didn't have to be there. He wasn't drafted into the military, he was there of his own free will. Your son took a calculated risk, and he came out on the losing end. If you truly believe that GWB is responsible for your son's death, then is the flip side true? Is he responsible for my still being alive? My head hasn't been hacked off by some Al Queda nutjob. Should I attribute this to this country's great leadership, or to the fact that I'm smart enough to keep my happy a#@ right here in the U-S-of-A and not go parading around in Baghdad when I know it's still a f#$%ing hellmouth? Has NASA kept me safe because I haven't died in space? Has Steve Irwin kept me safe because I haven't been eaten by a crocodile? Has the Navy kept me safe because I haven't drowned? No, no, and no. I've kept my own ass safe by not putting myself in a position where I can be killed in an instant. It's called personal responsibility. Don't want your head hacked off by a militant Muslim? Here's an idea, then don't be Jewish and caught walking around in a lawless Muslim country. Don't bet your life on a flip of the coin. Duh" Bookhound,if this is out of bounds for me to post,please delete it with no hard feelings on my part.I just don't know how to feel about this.I'm still angry that Nick Berg died such a needless and horrible death,but now his father has really confused me.Was this some suicidial act to further the cause of the anti war group his father belongs to? Or perhaps he got his lack of sense from his father................ And if you go to the site,there are some rather gruesome looking photos linked to this story.I think they are simulated casualties,but I'm not sure about all of them.And there is a link to a newspaper story concerning mr berg too. And further down the page is a link to a B17 that is sitting on it's belly on the runway.The captions say the gear collapsed on landing,but I think it was being towed when that happened (oops) from the lack of major damage to the props! pssst,if you don't already know,there are girlie pics there too.but don't tell anyone. Anyway,thanks for letting me vent a little about this. Regards,Robert. |
I think it's important for us to share our feelings. It's part of the grieving process we're all going through. I applaud all of you for being able to express your feelings on this topic without acting like some of the folks in General. It is a sensative topic for sure, but you guys are doing your best to respect the CoC. I'm proud to call you guys friends. 
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Thanks Bookhound, I don't go to General Discussion any more. I don't know why this is so civil,it could be a little because of the regional attitude,although I get the impression that a lot of you aren't native to the south.Maybe we are having a good influence on all you transplants. Or maybe it's because we are pretty much all within a half days (or less) driving distance from each other  .We even had two people ready to trade fistcuffs and that even calmed down becasue we acted like gentlemen instead of general discussion.  So,I'll keep coming here and to the EE and build it yourself,but I'm not likely to go to general discussion again. Robert. |
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Robert, I was born in New Jersey but moved down here when I was six. I'm a southern boy. My wife is part Cherokee and was born here. I love this country and I love the south. My heart bleeds for the south. Yes, we're a good bunch. We're family. Sometimes we disagree, but we know we're in this struggle of life together. You guys are all my brothers. Sometimes we disagree, but we have more in common than we do in difference. We stand as one. For that, I am proud. |
One thing that I have noticed and have admired is that the Ga. gang is intelligent, articulate and can post a thread with enthusiasm and knowledge of their subject. I also have noted that there have been no quarrels, no trolls, no idiots, and no big anti this-that threads. Good folks here. |
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Guys... I agree that the scenes we have been watching on TV are revolting and anyone in their "right minds" should demand justice. However, we have to be careful. There's that old Chinese saying that "one seeking revenge should dig two graves". If we see the History of middle east we will see that those folks never had a continuous period of peace. They have always been making war against each other. Actually, like Europe until the middle of last century. And even in the end of the last century we saw a "civilized" Europe slaughtering innocents during the Serbia/Bosnia/whatever separation war. Interestingly most people conveniently forgot that it was the US that went there and stopped it when the UNO was still "undecided". The middle east gets more complicated because religion was introduced in the "equation" and we can see what people do "in the name of God". Just see the America's colonization History. We cannot forget that the middle east is "their home". If they wish to stay in the middle ages let them be. Eventually they will evolve and hopefully end this barbarian behavior. We cannot forget, though, that the major cause of all these wars, since the crusades, have been caused simply by economic factors. First the Europeans needed an open rout for the caravans, later the western civilization needed their petroleum. The later is questionable, since the current technology allows engines that run virtually free from petroleum based products but strong interests of powerful companies prevent so. I am not saying that nothing should be done. Afterall, the 9-11 attack is unforgivable the same way Pearl Habour was. The same way I think the atomic bombs were justified something had to be done about the WTC. What I'm trying to say is that we should exercise moderation and do not condemn all muslims. Believe it or not, all this mess is caused by a minority that imposes fear to an impotent majority. Actually, this is one of the reasons that I also believe on the second ammendment. Just my two cents. (ok flame me, I've already dressed my special suit  ) |
| Rossi, frankly I agree with you 100%. On 9-11 I was one with the nuke em all crowd, but I also see our reservation a good or bad sign, depending on where you're from. Many of the fanaticals have probably seen this as a sign of weakness, and hopeully many of our educated friends have seen it as a sign of compassion for our fellow man. Frankly I don't ever want to see something like this happen again, and for the life of me I can't see how Spain didn't jump into the fray after the 3-11 train bombings, but I guess they didn't want to be seen as cowboys. |
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I agree. It is very difficult to handle fanaticals. Anyone who is prepared to kill himself/herself, taking several other lives at the same time, "in the name of God" is brainwashed. Yesterday I saw a documentary about Iraq in the History Channel. What that Saddam did there went beyond the imaginable and he and his followers did not deserve different fate. However, the program also showed how a very large part of the population was suffering defenseless. These people who grew up in this environment will have some time adjusting to a freedom environment. They have been "trained" to be afraid to speak for themselves under penalty of a terrible death. At the same time we see the radical minority struggling with everything they can trying to go back to the previous status-quo. It is easy to see how desperate they are just by seeing what they did with that poor woman and her children. A comparison in a smaller scale can be mande in "guettos" and neigborhoods dominated by gangs and other criminals where the police has a hard time identifying them because the locals are afraid of the consequences if they speak. The police goes away but they have to live there. Another thing to consider is that there are thousands of years of tribal rivalry in that place, which was kept under a relative control by Saddam's brutalilty. When this central power was gone that tension exploded. That happened in Yugoslavia, USSR, Africa, etc. I believe there was an error of judgement when the US troops advanced and found thousands of Republican Guard uniforms abandoned. Many of those guys were not giving up battle, they were simply changing strategy because they could not win a conventional warfare. Spain probably "yellowed" because they may not be prepared to deal with such things in their own territory. Perspectives change when war is far away and beside us, and people and leaders (also people) react differently. |