Posted: 9/5/2012 5:10:32 PM EDT
| PSA is running a special on their stripped lowers right now with a 5 packs for $399. Before i jump on this isn't there some obscure TN law about how many long guns /pistols you can purchase in a month? Also i know there will only be one background fee but will have to pay 5 transfers fees or is this FFL discretion ? |
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PSA is running a special on their stripped lowers right now with a 5 packs for $399. Before i jump on this isn't there some obscure TN law about how many long guns /pistols you can purchase in a month? Also i know there will only be one background fee but will have to pay 5 transfers fees or is this FFL discretion ? Feds require extra paperwork (a form reporting the transaction directly to the BATF) when more than one handgun is purchased by an individual in a week's time. Stripped lowers can be built as either rifles or pistols, so the BATF has been applying at least some of the pistol restrictions to the purchase of stripped lowers, but I don't know if the reporting requirement on multiple purchases has been applied to stripped lowers. Transfer fees are decided by the FFL. |
| You can purchase as many lowers, handguns, and long guns at one time as you can afford in the great state of TN. 2 or more Handguns purchased within 5 consecutive business days must be reported to ATF on a 3310.4 BY THE DEALER. Be aware that you must be 21y/o and a resident of the state in order to purchase stripped lowers and shotguns with rear pistol grips (no butt stocks). Also, if you buy like 50 lowers (I know you said 5) be ready to speak with an ATF agent(s). |
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Stripped receivers are not handguns, so an FFL is not required to report multiple sales of receivers. This is a gray area, sir. Stripped lowers are neither fish nor fowl, so most FFL's treat them as handguns: >21 to purchase, multiple purchase forms, etc. As many FFL's will be QUICK to tell you: one NEVER invites the BATFE into one's life. 
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Stripped receivers are not handguns, so an FFL is not required to report multiple sales of receivers. This is a gray area, sir. Stripped lowers are neither fish nor fowl, so most FFL's treat them as handguns: >21 to purchase, multiple purchase forms, etc. As many FFL's will be QUICK to tell you: one NEVER invites the BATFE into one's life. I agree with Bob on this one. It's a gray area with stripped lowers. One guy from ATF will tell you do the 3310 another will tell you no need to. Since ATF says that you gotta be 21 and live in said state...I'm doing a 3310 on the customer buying 2+. |
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This is a gray area, sir. Stripped lowers are neither fish nor fowl, so most FFL's treat them as handguns: >21 to purchase, multiple purchase forms, etc. As many FFL's will be QUICK to tell you: one NEVER invites the BATFE into one's life. Receivers are just that: Receivers. They're not handguns. They're not long guns. They're just receivers. If an FFL doesn't know the rules, then that's their own fault. They should NOT be doing multiple handgun purchase forms over a sale of multiple receivers. Quoted:
I agree with Bob on this one. It's a gray area with stripped lowers. One guy from ATF will tell you do the 3310 another will tell you no need to. Since ATF says that you gotta be 21 and live in said state...I'm doing a 3310 on the customer buying 2+. It's not a gray area. It says right on the forms. A stripped receiver is not a handgun. It has a special box to check that's labeled "other" and the instructions clearly state that frames and receivers are not hand guns. The ATF form you send to the state police is clearly marked for handguns only. Stripped receivers are not handguns. The fact that you have to be 21 to buy a stripped receiver does not make it a handgun. You are required to be 21 to buy ANY firearm, with the exception of long guns. Since the law is written as long guns being an exception to the rule, and stripped receivers do not fit the definition of a long gun, you must be 21 to buy a stripped receiver. That doesn't make a lower into a handgun. It's the same reason a pistol grip shotgun is not a handgun or a long gun. It's just an "other" firearm. There are strict ATF definitions for each type of firearm. You can't say it's a gray area when lowers clearly don't fit the definition of a handgun at all. |
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Graysonp is correct. There is no reporting requirement for multiple sales of stripped receivers. It is only a "gray area" if an uninformed FFL is making it one.
Even the new ATF reporting requirement for multiple sales of rifles in the southwest border states does not apply to receivers: Q2. What types of rifles are required to be reported?
A2. The rifle transactions that must be reported are dispositions of semiautomatic rifles capable of accepting a detachable magazine and with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223/5.56 caliber) to an unlicensed person. However, the reporting requirement does not apply to receivers for such rifles. You may contact the Firearms Technology Branch at (304) 616-4300 if you are unable to determine if the rifles are subject to the reporting requirements. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry/080911-qa-multiple-rifles.pdf I guess if a FFL wants to play it safe and complete a 3310, it's no harm business-wise. I am sure the ATF will willingly accept the FFL customer's information for their intel database. |
| no problems, I did a very similar purchase 2 months ago. I've done it several times in the last 7 years. No problems, just find a FFL that charges you once for the paperwork and not for every reciever. I used one once that pulled that crap, I haven't been back since. |
| We've moved away from the topic of the post and gone into a dealer only area. But, since we're there now... The only reason I say it's a grey area is the fact that I've been told by ATF to report it and not to worry about reporting it. I report it to NTC, what they do with it I could care less. In the long run if I'm wrong and do not need to report it, I have a bunch of filled out 3310's. Big deal. I'd rather waste 2 min. of my time then have to explain myself to a federal agent or worse. |
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We've moved away from the topic of the post and gone into a dealer only area. But, since we're there now... The only reason I say it's a grey area is the fact that I've been told by ATF to report it and not to worry about reporting it. I report it to NTC, what they do with it I could care less. In the long run if I'm wrong and do not need to report it, I have a bunch of filled out 3310's. Big deal. I'd rather waste 2 min. of my time then have to explain myself to a federal agent or worse. Yep. One fed comes by and tells you to do things one way, and another fed comes by later, and tells you to do things another way. If you're lucky, it's possible to satisfy both of them by doing more than what one of them wanted. If you're not lucky, and it's impossible to satisfy both of them, make a note of how each one told you to do it, and who they were, then do it the way the last one told you to do it. BATF aren't the only feds who play that game. The FAA is allowed to stop by as often as they want, and their reg book states in the first few pages that all regs are subject to the interpretation of the individual fed. |
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I find it ironic that it's the buyers who say "you don't need it" & dealers who are saying "better safe then sorry". It's not. I'm an FFL. We've had to correct ATF agents several times who didn't know the law. We're not going to waste our time doing paperwork for transactions that aren't applicable to the form. And we're not going to run our business based on opinions of agents without any legal precendent behind it. Just because an ATF agent tells you something doesn't mean you should listen to him. The law is the law and that's all that matters. If a cop told you it was illegal to CCW in TN, would you stop carrying a firearm because it's "better safe than sorry"? You shouldn't be bullied into complying with fake laws just because an ignorant authority figure doesn't know any better. Explain the situation, politely tell them they're wrong and let them prove you right when they look up the regulations. |
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It's not. I'm an FFL. We've had to correct ATF agents several times who didn't know the law. We're not going to waste our time doing paperwork for transactions that aren't applicable to the form. And we're not going to run our business based on opinions of agents without any legal precendent behind it. Just because an ATF agent tells you something doesn't mean you should listen to him. The law is the law and that's all that matters. If a cop told you it was illegal to CCW in TN, would you stop carrying a firearm because it's "better safe than sorry"? You shouldn't be bullied into complying with fake laws just because an ignorant authority figure doesn't know any better. Explain the situation, politely tell them they're wrong and let them prove you right when they look up the regulations. Well said! Far too many FFLs take an ATF agent's words as gospel, instead of knowing what the actual law says. That is why there is so much bad information out there about firearms regulations. I do my own research before even pick up the phone to ask a question of the ATF. I usually know the answer before I ask the question. While I have found the majority of ATF personnel to be knowledgeable and helpful, they do not always know the law, and you should not assume that they do. Quoted:
I find it ironic that it's the buyers who say "you don't need it" & dealers who are saying "better safe then sorry". And if you are assuming that I am just a "buyer," you would be wrong, as well. |
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O.K. I found the ATF newsletter on the whole 3310.4/AR lower topic. I have ate crow before and not afraid to eat it again...
"Q. Do I report unassembled frames and receivers as part of a multiple sale? A. No. A frame or receiver would not meet the definition of pistol or revolver. Therefore, unassembled frames or receivers should not be reported as part of a multiple sale on an ATF Form 3310.4." Graysonp, you were correct. Bob, we were wrong. Let Reese know not to waste his time unless he wants to. I have saved this news letter just in case. Thank you Graysonp for correcting us and saving some time and energy. ATF Newsletter Nov 2008 |