Posted: 7/28/2011 7:57:38 AM EDT
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Im not going to be in a position to start doing the matches till next year, but trying to work out and understand as much as possible in advance and avoid mistakes
I think I understand correctly that if I use a scope, the max mag is x4.5 so what sort of scope is best, do you go for something that the 4.5 is right at the bottom end of, or a smaller scope where 4.5 might be more towards the middle of the mag range. I dont know much about scopes and was wondering if they have a "sweet spot" in the magnification range where they tend to be better, common sense would say that the lowest mag setting on the scope will be the best??? dunno, my lack of common sense and knowledge is a dangerous combination LOL also is there a trigger pull limit? |
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You should speak to that fella at Rude Fat Dog, he's in Devon and should be local to you.
He also seems to know it all We are currently developing our own complete .223 Rifle and we hope to be releasing this in the early Autumn - we will not be selling this Black Guns .223 until it has been thoroughly tested and amongst the 'testers' will be a number of existing AR15 owners who regularly shoot at Bisley in Service Rifle and similar competitions.
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You should speak to that fella at Rude Fat Dog, he's in Devon and should be local to you. He also seems to know it all We are currently developing our own complete .223 Rifle and we hope to be releasing this in the early Autumn - we will not be selling this Black Guns .223 until it has been thoroughly tested and amongst the 'testers' will be a number of existing AR15 owners who regularly shoot at Bisley in Service Rifle and similar competitions.
Top shots they are too, but at least they actually do enter competitions lots out there don't. 
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You should speak to that fella at Rude Fat Dog, he's in Devon and should be local to you. He also seems to know it all We are currently developing our own complete .223 Rifle and we hope to be releasing this in the early Autumn - we will not be selling this Black Guns .223 until it has been thoroughly tested and amongst the 'testers' will be a number of existing AR15 owners who regularly shoot at Bisley in Service Rifle and similar competitions.
Top shots they are too, but at least they actually do enter competitions lots out there don't.
Yes indeed, can't knock that. In fact I hear there may even be a local version starting up down there.... For local people. It's going to be called.....wait for it.....CSooharrr 
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If you only want the scope for CSR service optic and don't plan to use it for anything else, a scope where 4.5x is towards the higher end of the magnification range would be better than where it is at the lower end. This is because with variables with higher magnifications you tend to get a larger objective lens to get enough brightness, this makes the scope bigger and heavier. Above 10x you also tend to get parallax adjustment, which you don't need at 4.5x, which is more weight and something else to go wrong.
The advantage of a larger objective are more light gathering, although anything above 30mm is wasted at 4.5x, and a larger field of view. Since we don't shoot in low light or need to scan a wide frontage you don't need this. Scopes that buck this trend are the 2.5-10x24mm and 2.5-10x32mm Nightforce, which have higher top end magnification but small objectives. If you need a large field of view or lowlight capability, just dial down to 2.5x We shoot from 100 to 500 yards in a single day, so reliable, easy to use elevation and windage adjustments are a must. BDC elevation drums or reticules are fine if they match the trajectory of your ammo, but MOA or MIL clicks allow you to dial in for any ammo and range. You need to decide whether you will adjust the scope for wind, aim off, or use a mixture of the two. ETA: I use a S&B 4x36mm fixed power for Service optic This looks very nice if you don't want to spend S&B or NF money. Not out till August in the states. 0.1mrad discreet turrets. The tick marks on the reticule are too coarse to be useful though. Leupold VX-R 1.4x Patrol |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's going to be called.....wait for it.....CSooharrr Prick Quite right it should be pronounced zee esss aaar Get back to your lazing about I was lazing about until I was alerted to an unbelievable senario, apparently some fucker started a thread about Judge Dredd for christ sake. I can't confirm this as I'm too scared to even look Anyway piss off and let me rest. |
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I use a Leupold MK IV 4.5-14x50 LR/T mildot. This means that I can shoot in either Service Optic or Open Optic as the fancy takes me. Also this allows me to shoot competitively in Practical Rifle and a variety of other disciplines. If I were 100% only going to ever shoot Service Optic, then I would buy a decent quality 1-4x with 30mm tube (for plenty of elevation & windage adjustment). Yes, S&B and Nightforce are up there at the top of the tree and if you can afford them, more power to you, but you can get perfectly adequate scopes for far less money.  ...yes the new Leupold VX-R's look very nice... |
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It's going to be called.....wait for it.....CSooharrr Prick Quite right it should be pronounced zee esss aaar Get back to your lazing about Not lazing about constructively filling my days someone has to swim or the life guards would be out of a job!
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Quoted: Quoted: It's going to be called.....wait for it.....CSooharrr  ETA - I shoot in Service Optic (max 4.5x) & use a Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8x36. Don't forget you'll need to budget for a quality mount as well.  |
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It's going to be called.....wait for it.....CSooharrr Prick Quite right it should be pronounced zee esss aaar Get back to your lazing about Not lazing about constructively filling my days someone has to swim or the life guards would be out of a job!Git |
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cheers I expected the usual pisstaking replies LOL, but also plenty of informative answers as well, I wasnt aware of the 2 optics classes within CSR so I learnt this also
hoping to get along to a couple of matches with 2 people from my club to watch and learn that way, seem the best way to learn, work and other commitments have me so busy for the next few months that it so difficult to get time out to play also need to join another local club as they go down to millpool regularly. whats accepted as a bipod, can I shoot from the bonnet of my massey furgesson, or am I perhaps limited to a pile of pasties LOL |
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Quoted: cheers I expected the usual pisstaking replies LOL, but also plenty of informative answers as well, I wasnt aware of the 2 optics classes within CSR so I learnt this also hoping to get along to a couple of matches with 2 people from my club to watch and learn that way, seem the best way to learn, work and other commitments have me so busy for the next few months that it so difficult to get time out to play also need to join another local club as they go down to millpool regularly. whats accepted as a bipod, can I shoot from the bonnet of my massey furgesson, or am I perhaps limited to a pile of pasties LOL Pasties are acceptable as long as you bring enough for everyone.....  As for bipods, they are in Open Optic only, and you must be able to fold the legs up. Unless the detail is started prone. the legs must be folded up at the start (most start positions are from the standing, made ready). .and as for coming and spectating, you may as well play. As long as you have the appropriate slot on your FAC and your Safe Shooter Card (  ), you may well find that some kind soul will lend you a rifle, and you can buy ammo...... |
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cheers I expected the usual pisstaking replies LOL, but also plenty of informative answers as well, I wasnt aware of the 2 optics classes within CSR so I learnt this also hoping to get along to a couple of matches with 2 people from my club to watch and learn that way, seem the best way to learn, work and other commitments have me so busy for the next few months that it so difficult to get time out to play also need to join another local club as they go down to millpool regularly. whats accepted as a bipod, can I shoot from the bonnet of my massey furgesson, or am I perhaps limited to a pile of pasties LOL Pasties are acceptable as long as you bring enough for everyone..... As for bipods, they are in Open Optic only, and you must be able to fold the legs up. Unless the detail is started prone. the legs must be folded up at the start (most start positions are from the standing, made ready). Devon pasties are shit.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: cheers I expected the usual pisstaking replies LOL, but also plenty of informative answers as well, I wasnt aware of the 2 optics classes within CSR so I learnt this also hoping to get along to a couple of matches with 2 people from my club to watch and learn that way, seem the best way to learn, work and other commitments have me so busy for the next few months that it so difficult to get time out to play also need to join another local club as they go down to millpool regularly. whats accepted as a bipod, can I shoot from the bonnet of my massey furgesson, or am I perhaps limited to a pile of pasties LOL Pasties are acceptable as long as you bring enough for everyone..... As for bipods, they are in Open Optic only, and you must be able to fold the legs up. Unless the detail is started prone. the legs must be folded up at the start (most start positions are from the standing, made ready). Devon pasties are shit. Andy. OK, scones and clotted cream for Andy then........ |
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cheers I expected the usual pisstaking replies LOL, but also plenty of informative answers as well, I wasnt aware of the 2 optics classes within CSR so I learnt this also hoping to get along to a couple of matches with 2 people from my club to watch and learn that way, seem the best way to learn, work and other commitments have me so busy for the next few months that it so difficult to get time out to play also need to join another local club as they go down to millpool regularly. whats accepted as a bipod, can I shoot from the bonnet of my massey furgesson, or am I perhaps limited to a pile of pasties LOL Pasties are acceptable as long as you bring enough for everyone..... As for bipods, they are in Open Optic only, and you must be able to fold the legs up. Unless the detail is started prone. the legs must be folded up at the start (most start positions are from the standing, made ready). Devon pasties are shit.
Andy. OK, scones and clotted cream for Andy then........ Noooo I'll end up looking like some of the fat bastards I've seen at CSR.  
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: cheers I expected the usual pisstaking replies LOL, but also plenty of informative answers as well, I wasnt aware of the 2 optics classes within CSR so I learnt this also hoping to get along to a couple of matches with 2 people from my club to watch and learn that way, seem the best way to learn, work and other commitments have me so busy for the next few months that it so difficult to get time out to play also need to join another local club as they go down to millpool regularly. whats accepted as a bipod, can I shoot from the bonnet of my massey furgesson, or am I perhaps limited to a pile of pasties LOL Pasties are acceptable as long as you bring enough for everyone..... As for bipods, they are in Open Optic only, and you must be able to fold the legs up. Unless the detail is started prone. the legs must be folded up at the start (most start positions are from the standing, made ready). Devon pasties are shit. Andy. OK, scones and clotted cream for Andy then........ Noooo I'll end up looking like some of the fat bastards I've seen at CSR. Andy. That's unkind...they're not fat. |
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hmm devon pasties are shit, rather ironic that a devon baker, working from a devon bakery, won the cornish pastie competition LOL
Im yet to go to millpool but I have no great expectations, afterall whats a rifle range, its just a big field surely??, my home club only has range out to 50m, Mark knows the range, its nothing fancy but 50m just seems so short. parracombe apparantly has up to 100m, looking at joining that with the tamar rangers so I can shoot 100m and go with them to millpool |
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That range wouldn't be the one with a tin pot dictator and doesn't allow competitions would it ........... ok now you have the upper hand, thats foxed me LOL however I have just spat the remains of a cinnamon swirl and a mouthful of coffee at the PC screen LOL your one of 2 people I can think of, love the description, wonder if I can hack the website and add that to the front page, just under the bit about tranquil country setting, or whatever BS it says LOL |
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So anyway, to get back on topic, I shoot 'practical optic' and I use an S and B PMII 4-16 x 50 with double turn turret.
Having now used it for about a year and a half I think a single turn 3-12 x 50 would have been the better option if I just shot CSR. Go for an S and B, Nightforce, Leupold or similar having either 1/4 MOA or 0.1 Mil clicks. If your budget will stretch to it, go for a scope that has a zero stop on the elevation turret. Don't be surprised if you spend twice as much on the scope as you do on the rifle... |
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I use a Nightforce 2.5-10x32 with zero stop and mil dots. It's a metric one.
I really like it. Good optic, not too big and light. It's also 1st focal plane so the reticle's always big, which is nice for standing and 200 sitting. I prefer the 1st fp as I have enough trouble seeing the ret at times. It also has illumination, but I don't find this necessary. I had a S&B Short Dot before, and although it had excellent optics, it was rather heavy and I always found the CQB reticle messy. Before that I had a S&B 3-12 but that was also heavy and 2nd fp, so that didn't help. I used to use a Leupold 4.5-14 and was always happy with that and sometimes feel that I didn't have to change, but given the issue I have with my right eye will probably never find the ideal scope. That said the Nightforce is pretty good and feel no need to change. It stays on 4.5 at all times during CSR, but at least gives me flexibility when I want to do other stuff. |
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I use a Nightforce 2.5-10x32 with zero stop and mil dots. It's a metric one. I really like it. Good optic, not too big and light. It's also 2nd focal plane so the reticle's always big, which is nice for standing and 200 sitting. I prefer the 2nd fp as I have enough trouble seeing the ret at times. It also has illumination, but I don't find this necessary. I had a S&B Short Dot before, and although it had excellent optics, it was rather heavy and I always found the CQB reticle messy. Before that I had a S&B 3-12 but that was also heavy and 1st fp, so that didn't help. I used to use a Leupold 4.5-14 and was always happy with that and sometimes feel that I didn't have to change, but given the issue I have with my right eye will probably never find the ideal scope. That said the Nightforce is pretty good and feel no need to change. It stays on 4.5 at all times during CSR, but at least gives me flexibility when I want to do other stuff. Sorted |
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I use a Nightforce 2.5-10x32 with zero stop and mil dots. It's a metric one. I really like it. Good optic, not too big and light. It's also 2nd focal plane so the reticle's always big, which is nice for standing and 200 sitting. I prefer the 2nd fp as I have enough trouble seeing the ret at times. It also has illumination, but I don't find this necessary. I had a S&B Short Dot before, and although it had excellent optics, it was rather heavy and I always found the CQB reticle messy. Before that I had a S&B 3-12 but that was also heavy and 1st fp, so that didn't help. I used to use a Leupold 4.5-14 and was always happy with that and sometimes feel that I didn't have to change, but given the issue I have with my right eye will probably never find the ideal scope. That said the Nightforce is pretty good and feel no need to change. It stays on 4.5 at all times during CSR, but at least gives me flexibility when I want to do other stuff. Sorted Never did undrstand what was what 
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