Posted: 1/24/2009 7:41:46 AM EDT
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treason
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour. My understanding is it takes 2 people to accuse someone of treason. Is this the case? Also above it states a "citizen's actions", is this anyone that is a citizen or limited to people not in a position of the government? Also, if the 2 parties accuse someone of treason and that person is somehow miraculously found to be not guilty, what is happens to the accusers? Thanks for the help, may be necessary in the near future..... |
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The state must have two eyewitnesses to testify against you, or no treason charge is possible. "Any person owing allegiance to the U.S." = U.S. Citizen.
What happens to the accusers depends upon the circumstances, probably nothing. That's not to say you can't and won't get prosecuted for some other crime(s), depending upon what you did. |
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You want to let us in on what's going down? I know, really. Don't be straightforward and come right out with it or anything. John, he's the president-fucking get over it. If you think treason charges are going to be levied against anybody, I doubt it. It was never brought up for any other idiot that has limited our freedoms. |
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I was allegedly referencing the release of terrorist that are on death row in GB for the 9/11 attacks. I find their release alone, treasonous and against the best interest of this country, especially if they were to attack again after their release.
Allegedly... I'm over him as president, yea it happened, a bunch of morons in this country eating sugar coated shit that was fed to them on a spoon. I'm just thinking of ways to do something about it. And with God and all of you as my witness, if he releases those MF'ers and they attack the US again, I will have no problem having my name on the court martial, subpoena or whatever it may be. I'd even hand the accusations to him myself on national television. allegedly... my questions had nothing to do him limiting freedoms, yes I don't like that, but it is what it is. I wasn't saying the same thing about Clinton when he did it, and I was just as unhappy then. This, this is something else. |
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You want to let us in on what's going down? I know, really. Don't be straightforward and come right out with it or anything. John, he's the president-fucking get over it. If you think treason charges are going to be levied against anybody, I doubt it. It was never brought up for any other idiot that has limited our freedoms. Exactly how does one "fucking get over it?" I know that I'll "fucking get over it" when his term is up, and pray the morons in this country wise up a little over the next 4 years and vote his ass out. |
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Damn and I was hoping this would turn out to be something good. Chances of obama being charged with treason are about as great as me putting larue out of business. both are pleasant thoughts but less than likely. I thought this would result in a home raid, a dead dog, and treason charges on the OP 
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If those two yahoo's get freed and it is proven that they had involvement in another attack on this country I think there will be too many people that would want impeachment and treason charges, that it would be impossible to avoid it. It would be too obvious, IMO.
just thoughts man, figured I'd share. wasn't trying to start some shit. I like to think that the office of the president is not above ALL of the law, but unfortunately I know I'm probably mistaken. 
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OK here's how you do it. A sitting president has immunity to judicial direction (Mississippi v. Johnson). While he individually may be tried for acts he did as president, he cannot be tried as president. That means you need to get Congress to impeach him.
Modern Impeachment Procedure: * Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives are turned over to the House Judiciary Committee which decides whether the resolution and its allegations of wrongdoing by the President merits a referral to the full House for a vote on launching a formal impeachment inquiry. * The entire House of Representatives votes for or against a formal impeachment inquiry, needing only a simple majority (a single vote) for approval. * If approved, the House Judiciary Committee conducts an investigation to determine (similar to a grand jury) if there is enough evidence to warrant articles of impeachment (indictments) against the President. The Committee then drafts articles of impeachment pertaining to specific charges supported by the evidence. The Committee votes on each article of impeachment, deciding whether to refer each article to the full House for a vote. * If the House Judiciary Committee refers one or more articles of impeachment, the entire House of Representatives votes on whether the article(s) merit a trial in the Senate, needing only a simple majority for approval. * If the full House approves at least one article of impeachment, the President is technically impeached and the matter is referred to the U.S. Senate. The House then appoints members of Congress to act as managers (prosecutors). * The trial of the President is held in the Senate with the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court presiding. The President can be represented by anyone he chooses. He may appear personally or leave his defense in the hands of his lawyers. * The entire Senate may conduct the trial or it or it may be delegated to a special committee which would report all the evidence to the full Senate. * The actual trial is conducted in a courtroom-like proceeding including examination and cross-examination of witnesses. During questioning, Senators remain silent, directing all questions in writing to the Chief Justice. * After hearing all of the evidence and closing arguments, the Senate deliberates behind closed doors then votes in open session on whether to convict or acquit the President. The vote to convict must be by a two thirds majority, or 67 Senators. If this occurs, the President is removed from office and is succeeded by the Vice President. The Senate's verdict is final and there is no right of appeal. Once removed from office he could then be tried for treason. Treason is a federal crime. The Constitution does not itself create the offense; it only restricts the definition and permits Congress to create the offense. The crime is prohibited by legislation passed by Congress. Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. ยง 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695. n the history of the United States there have been fewer than 40 federal prosecutions for treason and even fewer convictions. Several men were convicted of treason in connection with the 1794 Whiskey Rebellion but were pardoned by President George Washington. One of American history's most notorious traitors, in which his name is considered synonymous with the definition of traitor, is Benedict Arnold. The most famous treason trial, that of Aaron Burr in 1807 (See Burr conspiracy), resulted in acquittal. Politically motivated attempts to convict opponents of the Jeffersonian Embargo Acts and the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 all failed. Most states have provisions in their constitutions or statutes similar to those in the U.S. Constitution. There have been only two successful prosecutions for treason on the state level, that of Thomas Dorr in Rhode Island and that of John Brown in Virginia. After the American Civil War, no person involved with the Confederate States of America was tried for treason, though a number of leading Confederates (including Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee) were indicted. Those who had been indicted received a blanket amnesty issued by President Andrew Johnson as he left office in 1869. You'd need to get a federal prosecutor who was willing to go forward because you can't " I will have no problem having my name on the court martial, subpoena or whatever it may be. I'd even hand the accusations to him myself on national television. " unless you are a federal prosecutor. It would have to be true billed by a federal grand jury and then he'd stand trial in federal district court assuming Joe Biden didn't pardon him. So all you need to do is to go convince 216 congressmen, 67 senators (including the heads and majority of the judiciary committees) a federal prosecutor, a federal grand jury, and Joe Biden to go along with you and it'll be easy. Once you have that done get back to me and I'll tell you how to balance the national debt and end religious fighting world over. 
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I haven't folded my tin foil hat yet, but good luck trying to impeach him once he is president for life 
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