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8/30/2006 2:51:18 AM EDT
didn't know this...

phillyburbs.com


New Jersey is richest state, but has some of the poorest cities
By: GEOFF MULVIHILL (Tue, Aug/29/2006)


New Jersey again has the highest household income of any state and one of the lowest poverty rates, according to new data from the U.S. Census Bureau, but two of its biggest cities are among the poorest in the nation.

Camden ranks as the poorest place in the country with a population over 65,000 and Newark is among the poorest cities with more than 250,000 people, according to the figures released Tuesday based on data for 2005.

The numbers illustrate that New Jersey, with its middle-class and wealthy suburbs nestled up against struggling, old industrial cities, continues to be a place of stark economic contrasts.

On the whole, the state has high incomes, along with a high cost of living. Half the households make more than $61,672 per year - putting the Garden State just ahead of Connecticut as the nation's richest. And the poverty rate of 8.7 percent is lower than every state except for New Hampshire, Maryland and Connecticut.

The census income report a year ago found New Jersey's poverty rate slightly lower - 8.5 percent. But Legal Services of New Jersey Poverty Research Institute on Tuesday said its own analysis, which took into account the high cost of living, shows that more than one in five state residents are impoverished.

Despite that, Hunterdon, Morris, Somerset and Burlington counties are all among those with the lowest poverty rates in the country and Hunterdon, Somerset, and Morris all rank among the highest-income places in the nation. Among all the counties across the country with populations over 65,000, only two - Loudon, Va., and Fairfax, Va. - have median household incomes higher than those in Hunterdon.
A seat of the pharmaceutical industry with many residents who commute to New York, the county north of Trenton sees half its households bring in more than $93,342 per year.

Yet, among large cities nationally, only six have lower incomes than Newark, where the median household income was $30,665.

In Camden, 44 percent of the roughly 80,000 residents live in poverty - the highest such rate in the nation, according to the study. The median household income in the city is $18,007, which is the nation's lowest.

The gritty city near Philadelphia, where the state has been trying to jump-start redevelopment efforts, is no stranger to studies that portray life there as harsher than in other cities with tough reputations.

One research firm found in 2004 and 2005 that the city was the nation's most dangerous.

8/30/2006 3:48:42 AM EDT
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fairfax county is one of the two richest counties in the country.  orange county, california is the one it is up against.  they routinely change places.
8/30/2006 3:55:30 AM EDT
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fairfax county is one of the two richest counties in the country.  orange county, california is the one it is up against.  they routinely change places.


I didn't know that.  I knoew Camden was a hellhole, but didn't know that about fairfax. fairfax must include tysons/mclean right?

man I'm bringing that stat down.
8/30/2006 3:56:04 AM EDT
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Just for the record, it's spelled L-O-U-D-O-U-N.

And I'm glad I don't live in it any more!
8/30/2006 5:05:12 AM EDT
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fairfax county is one of the two richest counties in the country.  orange county, california is the one it is up against.  they routinely change places.


I didn't know that.  I knoew Camden was a hellhole, but didn't know that about fairfax. fairfax must include tysons/mclean right?

man I'm bringing that stat down.


yeah tysons, great falls, clifton, mclean, chantilly, fair oaks/lakes, mount vernon.  i think mean income is around $90k.  look at a map and you will just see all the big money areas.
8/30/2006 6:38:48 AM EDT
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Yeah, housing sales in Fairfax county last month was down 40%, but average selling price was still $558,000.

So people living here gotta be making crazy money. 400k+ for a townhouse is normal. I'd need to triple my income to actually live here.
8/30/2006 7:33:30 AM EDT
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Yeah, housing sales in Fairfax county last month was down 40%, but average selling price was still $558,000.

So people living here gotta be making crazy money. 400k+ for a townhouse is normal. I'd need to triple my income to actually live here.


a large amount of people who have lived in the area since the 80s couldn't afford to move into the area now.  kinda sad.
8/30/2006 4:33:25 PM EDT
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I'm coming up on my one year anniversary of living in Old Town.

I feel so poor.

Seriously.

Will I get to stay here? That depends on a few factors.
8/30/2006 4:36:08 PM EDT
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I'm coming up on my one year anniversary of living in Old Town.

I feel so poor.

Seriously.

Will I get to stay here? That depends on a few factors.


I don't feel poor yet.  stomach's still full  and this helps --->
8/30/2006 4:58:11 PM EDT
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I'm coming up on my one year anniversary of living in Old Town.

I feel so poor.

Seriously.

Will I get to stay here? That depends on a few factors.


I don't feel poor yet.  stomach's still full  and this helps --->


Yeah, the booze does help! I notice that I have become a big fan of Scotch during the past several months . . .
8/30/2006 5:23:28 PM EDT
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I'm coming up on my one year anniversary of living in Old Town.

I feel so poor.

Seriously.

Will I get to stay here? That depends on a few factors.


I don't feel poor yet.  stomach's still full  and this helps --->


Yeah, the booze does help! I notice that I have become a big fan of Scotch during the past several months . . .


I think I saw my liver on the back of a carton of milk last week.  He escaped a few weeks ago and haven't heard from him since.  I switched from quality booze imbibed sparingly to booze I can afford ingested excessively, and I guess he had enough.
8/31/2006 5:45:48 AM EDT
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Just for the record, it's spelled L-O-U-D-O-U-N.
And I'm glad I don't live in it any more!

I hear ya, but to be fair, Loudoun wasn't bad up until the past few years.

That section of Sterling was turning into North Tijuana, with it's own MS-13 branch over in
the Margate Court section.

The kicker for me was the property tax hike, where they decided that my condo jumped
$125K in one year, when the selling price didn't. ("Welcome to Loudoun, where you'll pay
because we figure you must be able to since you want to live here!")

Ashburn was nice, and still mainly is, but then they decided that they had to have 'affordable
housing' near Broad Run HS, so I know that didn't help neighborhood quality in that area.

I'm glad I bailed - I ride the train and don't have to deal with the Beltway. The mountains
are quiet, and I only have to deal with the idealistic college kids for part of the year, and
then the town population drops by 75% for the rest of the time.
8/31/2006 6:06:56 AM EDT
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I'm having a hard time figuring out what's so bad about Loudoun Co?

8/31/2006 8:18:38 AM EDT
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I'm having a hard time figuring out what's so bad about Loudoun Co?

I guess that it all depends on your perspective. It wasn't a bad place to live, as long as
you weren't living next to the gang-bangers (MS-13) in the older sections of Sterling
(sections over around the biketrail side) or in Sugarland Run (Boogerland).
But the taxes were what torqued me - my condo in Ashburn jumped $125K in value,
according to their assessments. (I wish I could get $300K+ for it, but it's not happening
in the market right now.) (God willing, it'll be sold next weekend, though for a lot lower
than what the tax office swears it's worth.)

Plus the politicians just keep bending over for the developers, and it's turning into Fairfax
County (Western Division) with the McMansions on a dime-sized lot, etc, while preaching
about wanting to tone down the growth to those who want to keep a little of the county
unpaved.

Ah well.... it was nice, but I'd give the whole Route 7 corridor another 10 years or so,
and you won't notice a change in scenery between the Beltway and Leesburg. The "Tysons
Corner sprawl" will have  taken it over.