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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
Range is next to Glen Canyon in SE Utah. Let's get this thread to page 5 - and ownage! DPS guys came out to the dam for an exercise and were using Desert Techs in 7.62, and they were the ones who turned originally turned me on to Prime ammo: 
High angle down shot with offset - no issues. ETA - Just at about 300 yards. 
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Thought it looked familiar. Maybe I'll drop you a note the next time I come up to visit the dam for a site check. Originally Posted By Defender3:
<strong>Originally Posted By rugerdog:</strong>
Range is next to Glen Canyon in SE Utah. Thought it looked familiar. Maybe I'll drop you a note the next time I come up to visit the dam for a site check. Do it. We always need someone to come show us we dont train enough. LOL |
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
Do it. We always need someone to come show us we dont train enough. LOL Originally Posted By rugerdog:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
<strong>Originally Posted By rugerdog:</strong>
Range is next to Glen Canyon in SE Utah. Thought it looked familiar. Maybe I'll drop you a note the next time I come up to visit the dam for a site check. Do it. We always need someone to come show us we dont train enough. LOL That 'ain't me Brother! 
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
Do it. We always need someone to come show us we dont train enough. LOL Originally Posted By rugerdog:
Originally Posted By Defender3:
<strong>Originally Posted By rugerdog:</strong>
Range is next to Glen Canyon in SE Utah. Thought it looked familiar. Maybe I'll drop you a note the next time I come up to visit the dam for a site check. Do it. We always need someone to come show us we dont train enough. LOL
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Ordered a case of Prime 6.5 CM and four more boxes of .260. The web site would not complete my order in Safari, IE or Chrome. So, I called to complete the order and the president of Prime, Jim, answers. He is flipping burgers for his kids while he takes my order. I tried to get him to let it wait until Monday, but he insisted. Then he can't get the order to go through either. So he calls the head of the company that maintains Prime's web site and introduces the two of us. Jim ask him to call me back and take my order. That is LaRue style customer service.
Got the Gen 3 PRS installed on the .260. Hope to get more range time this weekend. Unfortunately we are so short at work that I am out on another trip this week. |
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Originally Posted By Fr8dog:
Ordered a case of Prime 6.5 CM and four more boxes of .260. The web site would not complete my order in Safari, IE or Chrome. So, I called to complete the order and the president of Prime, Jim, answers. He is flipping burgers for his kids while he takes my order. I tried to get him to let it wait until Monday, but he insisted. Then he can't get the order to go through either. So he calls the head of the company that maintains Prime's web site and introduces the two of us. Jim ask him to call me back and take my order. That is LaRue style customer service. Got the Gen 3 PRS installed on the .260. Hope to get more range time this weekend. Unfortunately we are so short at work that I am out on another trip this week. 
My case of Prime is waiting for me when I get off travel, off to the range! |
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
Side note on the Hornady 130 match ammo. I was not impressed with the spread on MV for the first 30 rds fired from the Rifle. The spread for the first 10 was 63fps. It did however tighten up to an ES of 19 fps for rds 20- 30. I was using Lab Radar for MV data. The rounds picked up some speed as the barrel started to get some copper in it. The last 10 rds I ran data for averaged 2749 fps. The first round through the gun was 2711 fps. The rifle liked the Hornady, especially day 2. Maybe I should give the Hornady a second chance. As the day progressed I was getting higher velocity as well. 2 more boxes before I call it quits with the Hornady. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
How do you like the lab radar? I was thinking of getting one for the convenience versus the V3 I have now. Any must have accessories (besides the tripod)? TIA. Originally Posted By Defender3:
<strong>Originally Posted By rugerdog:</strong>
Side note on the Hornady 130 match ammo. I was not impressed with the spread on MV for the first 30 rds fired from the Rifle. The spread for the first 10 was 63fps. It did however tighten up to an ES of 19 fps for rds 20- 30. I was using Lab Radar for MV data. The rounds picked up some speed as the barrel started to get some copper in it. The last 10 rds I ran data for averaged 2749 fps. The first round through the gun was 2711 fps. The rifle liked the Hornady, especially day 2. How do you like the lab radar? I was thinking of getting one for the convenience versus the V3 I have now. Any must have accessories (besides the tripod)? TIA. I do not know how I ever lived without it. Very handy and fast. The data has proven to be of a high quality as well. |
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Originally Posted By Shutterlife:
Maybe I should give the Hornady a second chance. As the day progressed I was getting higher velocity as well. 2 more boxes before I call it quits with the Hornady. Originally Posted By Shutterlife:
<strong>Originally Posted By rugerdog:</strong>
Side note on the Hornady 130 match ammo. I was not impressed with the spread on MV for the first 30 rds fired from the Rifle. The spread for the first 10 was 63fps. It did however tighten up to an ES of 19 fps for rds 20- 30. I was using Lab Radar for MV data. The rounds picked up some speed as the barrel started to get some copper in it. The last 10 rds I ran data for averaged 2749 fps. The first round through the gun was 2711 fps. The rifle liked the Hornady, especially day 2. Maybe I should give the Hornady a second chance. As the day progressed I was getting higher velocity as well. 2 more boxes before I call it quits with the Hornady. Yeah, I would. The Hornady did not impress me until the barrel was seasoned. And then it really impressed me. |
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
I do not know how I ever lived without it. Very handy and fast. The data has proven to be of a high quality as well. I just tried to order and was declined. Maybe they have a filter since I'm trying to order from Japan and this is an export controlled item. Oh well, I'll be back in the States tomorrow and will try again. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I just tried to order and was declined. Maybe they have a filter since I'm trying to order from Japan and this is an export controlled item. Oh well, I'll be back in the States tomorrow and will try again. leave the order in your cart and send them a message through their website. they will contact you to complete it and walk it through. thats what i had to do. what impressed me most is that after he took my order he walked it back to shipping and i had tracking info in 20 minutes and 30 minutes after that it was scanned to the fedex truck! |
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Originally Posted By tacticalmedic450:
leave the order in your cart and send them a message through their website. they will contact you to complete it and walk it through. thats what i had to do. what impressed me most is that after he took my order he walked it back to shipping and i had tracking info in 20 minutes and 30 minutes after that it was scanned to the fedex truck! I'm sitting in the Osaka airport so I'll just do it when I get home. No big deal since their shipping options only included UPS and they suck, so I'm sure it won't arrive until May sometime since there was a hint of snow in our AO. 
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
Yeah, I would. The Hornady did not impress me until the barrel was seasoned. And then it really impressed me. This was the first 10 rounds out of the rifle with Hornady. Series1 Shots:10 Min2703 Max2777 Avg2740S-D19.6 ES 74 SeriesShot Speed 1 1 2754 ft/s 1 2 2748 ft/s 1 3 2730 ft/s 1 4 2737 ft/s 1 5 2737 ft/s 1 6 2753 ft/s 1 7 2777 ft/s 1 8 2703 ft/s 1 9 2726 ft/s 1 10 2741 ft/s This is after 25 rounds shooting my hand loads Series5 Shots:10 Min2774 Max2862 Avg2822S-D24.6 ES 88 SeriesShot Speed 5 1 2839 ft/s 5 2 2795 ft/s 5 3 2774 ft/s 5 4 2808 ft/s 5 5 2862 ft/s 5 6 2833 ft/s 5 7 2821 ft/s 5 8 2826 ft/s 5 9 2832 ft/s 5 10 2832 ft/s |
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Originally Posted By Shutterlife:
This was the first 10 rounds out of the rifle with Hornady. Series1 Shots:10 Min2703 Max2777 Avg2740S-D19.6 ES 74 SeriesShot Speed 1 1 2754 ft/s 1 2 2748 ft/s 1 3 2730 ft/s 1 4 2737 ft/s 1 5 2737 ft/s 1 6 2753 ft/s 1 7 2777 ft/s 1 8 2703 ft/s 1 9 2726 ft/s 1 10 2741 ft/s This is after 25 rounds shooting my hand loads Series5 Shots:10 Min2774 Max2862 Avg2822S-D24.6 ES 88 SeriesShot Speed 5 1 2839 ft/s 5 2 2795 ft/s 5 3 2774 ft/s 5 4 2808 ft/s 5 5 2862 ft/s 5 6 2833 ft/s 5 7 2821 ft/s 5 8 2826 ft/s 5 9 2832 ft/s 5 10 2832 ft/s Great report, looks like that barrel is speeding up well! |
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Originally Posted By Shutterlife:
This was the first 10 rounds out of the rifle with Hornady. Series1 Shots:10 Min2703 Max2777 Avg2740S-D19.6 ES 74 SeriesShot Speed 1 1 2754 ft/s 1 2 2748 ft/s 1 3 2730 ft/s 1 4 2737 ft/s 1 5 2737 ft/s 1 6 2753 ft/s 1 7 2777 ft/s 1 8 2703 ft/s 1 9 2726 ft/s 1 10 2741 ft/s This is after 25 rounds shooting my hand loads Series5 Shots:10 Min2774 Max2862 Avg2822S-D24.6 ES 88 SeriesShot Speed 5 1 2839 ft/s 5 2 2795 ft/s 5 3 2774 ft/s 5 4 2808 ft/s 5 5 2862 ft/s 5 6 2833 ft/s 5 7 2821 ft/s 5 8 2826 ft/s 5 9 2832 ft/s 5 10 2832 ft/s That ES is way out of whack. What are you using to check MV? ETA what I mean to say is something is going on. Do you usually get better results with your reloads? |
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Originally Posted By rugerdog:
That ES is way out of whack. What are you using to check MV? ETA what I mean to say is something is going on. Do you usually get better results with your reloads? Originally Posted By rugerdog:
Originally Posted By Shutterlife:
This was the first 10 rounds out of the rifle with Hornady. Series1 Shots:10 Min2703 Max2777 Avg2740S-D19.6 ES 74 SeriesShot Speed 1 1 2754 ft/s 1 2 2748 ft/s 1 3 2730 ft/s 1 4 2737 ft/s 1 5 2737 ft/s 1 6 2753 ft/s 1 7 2777 ft/s 1 8 2703 ft/s 1 9 2726 ft/s 1 10 2741 ft/s This is after 25 rounds shooting my hand loads Series5 Shots:10 Min2774 Max2862 Avg2822S-D24.6 ES 88 SeriesShot Speed 5 1 2839 ft/s 5 2 2795 ft/s 5 3 2774 ft/s 5 4 2808 ft/s 5 5 2862 ft/s 5 6 2833 ft/s 5 7 2821 ft/s 5 8 2826 ft/s 5 9 2832 ft/s 5 10 2832 ft/s That ES is way out of whack. What are you using to check MV? ETA what I mean to say is something is going on. Do you usually get better results with your reloads? Sorry if I wasn't clear. This is all from Hornady factory ammo. First 10 shots out of the rifle was from factory Hornady. Shown as the first group. I then shot 25 rounds measuring my max load, for my hand loads. Not shown. Then the send 10 round groups are from Hornady factory ammo again. ETA: I used a MagnetoSpeed V3 |
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Originally Posted By Shutterlife:
Sorry if I wasn't clear. This is all from Hornady factory ammo. First 10 shots out of the rifle was from factory Hornady. Shown as the first group. I then shot 25 rounds measuring my max load, for my hand loads. Not shown. Then the send 10 round groups are from Hornady factory ammo again. ETA: I used a MagnetoSpeed V3 Originally Posted By Shutterlife:
<strong>Originally Posted By rugerdog:</strong>
<strong>Originally Posted By Shutterlife:</strong>
This was the first 10 rounds out of the rifle with Hornady. Series1 Shots:10 Min2703 Max2777 Avg2740S-D19.6 ES 74 SeriesShot Speed 1 1 2754 ft/s 1 2 2748 ft/s 1 3 2730 ft/s 1 4 2737 ft/s 1 5 2737 ft/s 1 6 2753 ft/s 1 7 2777 ft/s 1 8 2703 ft/s 1 9 2726 ft/s 1 10 2741 ft/s This is after 25 rounds shooting my hand loads Series5 Shots:10 Min2774 Max2862 Avg2822S-D24.6 ES 88 SeriesShot Speed 5 1 2839 ft/s 5 2 2795 ft/s 5 3 2774 ft/s 5 4 2808 ft/s 5 5 2862 ft/s 5 6 2833 ft/s 5 7 2821 ft/s 5 8 2826 ft/s 5 9 2832 ft/s 5 10 2832 ft/s That ES is way out of whack. What are you using to check MV? ETA what I mean to say is something is going on. Do you usually get better results with your reloads? Sorry if I wasn't clear. This is all from Hornady factory ammo. First 10 shots out of the rifle was from factory Hornady. Shown as the first group. I then shot 25 rounds measuring my max load, for my hand loads. Not shown. Then the send 10 round groups are from Hornady factory ammo again. ETA: I used a MagnetoSpeed V3 Aaahh, got you. The ES does seem high for "Match Ammo" though. I am going to work on loads this weekend and will report back. |
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I arrived back from Japan late last evening to find my case +1 of Prime had arrived.
Case of Prime .260 plus a box of .308. 
OAL measurement of the Prime: 
OAL measurement of the FGMM: 
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Suffered a Lock and Load fail today, I never ordered the 260 case for the comparator, what a dope! Off to Amazon to order a .260 and a 6.5CM case, which should be here by Saturday. I can then do some headspace checks with the new Lapua brass and maybe pull a round from the FGMM and Prime to do the same. Look for a report sometime over the weekend.
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Some case lot info on the Prime I received:
2 Boxes from LaRue - 0209:501 and 0209:561 (received two weeks ago) Case from Prime - 0209:501 (received a week ago) Older box - 0209:510 (received 6 months ago) The chrono data I posted previously was for lot 0209:510. I fired 75rds (mostly FGMM) on my first range trip so I suspect the barrel is about to pick up some speed. I'll chrono again on my next range trip and see where the MVs land. Next report will hopefully be some headspace readings if Amazon comes through with the lock and load pieces I need for the .260. So, what lots of Prime have others received? ETA - A lot of smudging on my lot numbers, after looking, the ":" is actually a 1 as as SmokieRiver stated. |
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Some case lot info on the Prime I received: 2 Boxes from LaRue - 0209:501 and 0209:561 (received two weeks ago) Case from Prime - 0209:501 (received a week ago) Older box - 0209:510 (received 6 months ago) The chrono data I posted previously was for lot 0209:510. I fired 75rds (mostly FGMM) on my first range trip so I suspect the barrel is about to pick up some speed. I'll chrono again on my next range trip and see where the MVs land. Next report will hopefully be some headspace readings if Amazon comes through with the lock and load pieces I need for the .260. So, what lots of Prime have others received? EDIT: 2 boxes of 02091507 in the mix also. |
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I'm still waiting on my Amazon comparator stuff to arrive so I pulled projectiles from a Prime and FGMM.
Prime and FGMM: 
Prime pulled: 
FGMM pulled: 
Prime and FGMM Projectiles. We know the FGMM is using the SMK, I'll have to research what Prime is using. You can clearly see the difference in the taper of the projectiles, ogive and boat tail. The Prime is a 130gr Open Tip Match and the FGMM is a 142gr SMK: 
Prime cartridge length: 
FGMM cartridge length: 
Prime projectile length: 
FGMM projectile length: 
Prime powder charge, 43.2 grains. Both powders look the same, but it does look different from my H4350. Maybe a reloader will chime in and clarify: 
FGMM powder charge, 44.4 grains: 
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Here are some measurements I've take on 2 lots of Prime (50% sampling rate - i was looking for within lot and across lot variability):
Prime .260 Rem Lot # Neck Size | OAL Median 0.2880 | 2.7780 Average 0.2881 | 2.7770 Std Dev 0.0003 | 0.0074 Lower 95% 0.2876 | 2.7649 Upper 95% 0.2885 | 2.7891 |
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Originally Posted By SmokieRiver:
Here are some measurements I've take on 2 lots of Prime (50% sampling rate - i was looking for within lot and across lot variability): Prime .260 Rem Lot # Neck Size | OAL Median 0.2880 | 2.7780 Average 0.2881 | 2.7770 Std Dev 0.0003 | 0.0074 Lower 95% 0.2876 | 2.7649 Upper 95% 0.2885 | 2.7891 The neck size was very consistent with 37 rounds measuring 0.2885 and three measuring 0.2890. My fired cases measured 0.2960 (7), 0.2965 (3) and three at 0.2970. The OAL for the 40 factory rounds was anywhere from 2.7790 to 2.7940 |
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Originally Posted By jeep450:
I'm ignorant to reloading, what is all of that? The problem with this system are: 1. On an autoloader you are limited by the magazin length which in most cases negates the ability to seat the bullet in an optimal position. 2. You really need to measure your bullet by the ogive and not the tip. Tips are inconsistent due to manufacturing limitations, but the ogive is always correct. Hornady sells ogive adapters for each caliber. If you are going to get a TRUE reading it's best to use that as well. All this stuff is good kit but it's usefulness is debatabe in an autloader. I do it for my bolt guns but have never messed with it on my predatobr. Hopefully I will be proven wrong. |
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Originally Posted By jeep450:
I'm ignorant to reloading, what is all of that? |
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Originally Posted By jaycoux:
The cartridge cases are threaded in the back. You thread the case onto the red tube, stick a bullet into the case and shove it into the chamber. Once it's there you can push the bullet forward until it hits the rifling. Then you can measure how far to seat your bullet away from the lands. The problem with this system are: 1. On an autoloader you are limited by the magazin length which in most cases negates the ability to seat the bullet in an optimal position. 2. You really need to measure your bullet by the ogive and not the tip. Tips are inconsistent due to manufacturing limitations, but the ogive is always correct. Hornady sells ogive adapters for each caliber. If you are going to get a TRUE reading it's best to use that as well. All this stuff is good kit but it's usefulness is debatabe in an autloader. I do it for my bolt guns but have never messed with it on my predatobr. Hopefully I will be proven wrong. 
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Originally Posted By jaycoux:
Touche Now, did you get the inserts to measure headspace?  
ETA - Amazon is through Optics Planet with an expected arrival of April so it's off to Midway. I guess my afternoon just freed up.
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I love reloading. You can never have enough gadgets. FYI only use 1 of the red inserts. I bought 2, one to use for the headspace comparators and one for the ogive comparators-you know, to save time and be efficient? What I found out is that the red insert pieces vary in legth. Not a lot but enough to make a difference when you are talking about bumping shoulders. I threw one away. You have been warned.
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Originally Posted By jaycoux:
I love reloading. You can never have enough gadgets. FYI only use 1 of the red inserts. I bought 2, one to use for the headspace comparators and one for the ogive comparators-you know, to save time and be efficient? What I found out is that the red insert pieces vary in legth. Not a lot but enough to make a difference when you are talking about bumping shoulders. I threw one away. You have been warned. Thanks for the hint about the comparators, I'll measure, pick one and then stick with it. Hopefully some others who've received their .260s will post their range and load results, and other data points to placate S2Ss OCD / ADD.
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
I've had the comparator since my 7.62 tOBR arrived and just didn't think of checking the inserts before I flew off to Japan. Anyways, my Midway order has shipped and when it arrives I'll do some measurements in order to work up some hand loads using the Lapua brass. There are some loads people have posted, and LaRue said to load down to 2450fps with the Bergers, so I'll work up my own and see what happens. I also need a better position behind the rifle (switch from the bench to prone and get centered so I'm not muscling the rifle and pulling shots). Thanks for the hint about the comparators, I'll measure, pick one and then stick with it. Hopefully some others who've received their .260s will post their range and load results, and other data points to placate S2Ss OCD / ADD. Originally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By jaycoux:
I love reloading. You can never have enough gadgets. FYI only use 1 of the red inserts. I bought 2, one to use for the headspace comparators and one for the ogive comparators-you know, to save time and be efficient? What I found out is that the red insert pieces vary in legth. Not a lot but enough to make a difference when you are talking about bumping shoulders. I threw one away. You have been warned. Thanks for the hint about the comparators, I'll measure, pick one and then stick with it. Hopefully some others who've received their .260s will post their range and load results, and other data points to placate S2Ss OCD / ADD.
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Originally Posted By jeep450:
I had to take off work this morning and decided screw it I'm going to the range with my new gun! I will start a new thread About it. |
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Originally Posted By jaycoux:
Did you have a baffle strike? Originally Posted By jaycoux:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
3-5 o'clock. My Tranqilo suppressor is broke so I couldn't use it to see how it affected ejection. I got to send it back once I finally get the paperwork cleared. |
My Midway order arrived (comparator inserts and headspace gauges) so now I have the correct .264 insert to measure where the ogive of a projectile contacts the lands of my barrel, and thus the OAL of any particular load. This is a more reliable method than measuring from the bullets' tip and will allow me to set seating depth and jump for cartridges I'm loading. I'll leave the headspacing measurements until the weekend.
The lock n load round is threaded to fit on the comparator rod. In this case, the round was made from Lapua brass: 
You place a projectile loosely in the neck and then place into the chamber. This rod is curved to fit the ejection port of a semiauto: 
Once the round is chambered, you hold it in place and push the projectile with the wire insert until it contacts the lands. You then lock the rod in place so you can get a measurement. You remove the assembly and place it into the comparator insert that is sized for the .264 and measure the length. You then use that measurement as a guide and set your OAL and then back off a bit to have the amount of jump off the lands your rifle prefers. 
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Originally Posted By SmokieRiver:
Just about to get started with reloading, and after reading above I still have a lot to learn. Now all I need to travel to calm down a bit so I can get some range time!
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Originally Posted By Defender3:
Don't use me as your gauge, I may go a bit to the extreme. Originally Posted By Defender3:
Originally Posted By SmokieRiver:
Just about to get started with reloading, and after reading above I still have a lot to learn. Now all I need to travel to calm down a bit so I can get some range time!
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