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Do some M4A1 block 2s come with heavy barrels? The ones I saw were M4 contour.
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Do some M4A1 block 2s come with heavy barrels? The ones I saw were M4 contour. As I understand it, that's basically the difference between an M4 and an M4A1. So if it's an M4A1, it should have a heavy profile under the HG. |
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Do some M4A1 block 2s come with heavy barrels? The ones I saw were M4 contour. As I understand it, that's basically the difference between an M4 and an M4A1. So if it's an M4A1, it should have a heavy profile under the HG. ...however, all "current production" M4s are to have the heavy (A1) barrel so the only difference becomes the FCG. |
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Do some M4A1 block 2s come with heavy barrels? The ones I saw were M4 contour. As I understand it, that's basically the difference between an M4 and an M4A1. So if it's an M4A1, it should have a heavy profile under the HG. ...however, all "current production" M4s are to have the heavy (A1) barrel so the only difference becomes the FCG. Right, but aren't they calling the current production M4A1 and not M4 anymore? Colt also still makes guns like the RO977 which is a full auto M4 profile (not heavy), however that's for Law Enforcement and the like. So I guess it depends on who's buying as well. |
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Do some M4A1 block 2s come with heavy barrels? The ones I saw were M4 contour. As I understand it, that's basically the difference between an M4 and an M4A1. So if it's an M4A1, it should have a heavy profile under the HG. ...however, all "current production" M4s are to have the heavy (A1) barrel so the only difference becomes the FCG. Right, but aren't they calling the current production M4A1 and not M4 anymore? Colt also still makes guns like the RO977 which is a full auto M4 profile (not heavy), however that's for Law Enforcement and the like. So I guess it depends on who's buying as well. No, since the FCG groups are still going to be different (BURST & AUTO). |
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These were DD uppers on M4A1 lowers. Rangers had them. Were they DD uppers? Or Colt uppers with DD rails installed? As of last year when I last contact DD about it, they verified the sale of rails and MK 12 gasblocks, they did not indicate that they had provided any complete upper receiver groups. ~Augee |
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They were heavily camo'd so markings were hard to see but the Rangers present referred to them as DD uppers. I will ask next time I get a chance.
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I wouldn't be surprised if DD was supplying complete uppers.
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I wouldn't be surprised if DD was supplying complete uppers. Cheers I would. A new supplier for Ranger Regiment weapon components would be something worth noting. It's possible. On the other hand - I doubt they're going around calling them "Block 2s" or "SOPMOD" or "RIS II" M4s, either. They'd need to call them something. "Daniel Defense upper" sounds like what someone might call an upper with a DD M4A1 RIS II to distinguish it from the KAC RAS equipped upper. Most of these guys are not as big gun freaks about the minutiea as we are, but some know enough to know that the new uppers have DD rails as the most distinctive feature. They could still be Colt M4A1 uppers and barrels. The easiest way to tell would be the upper forge marks on the right side near the charging handle. The barrel profile is interesting, too, though. It would be great if you could verify both for us, C_J. It would be an unusual thing to hear of an M4A1 with a non-HB barrel, even the support and supply guys I've seen have been using RO921HB barrels. ~Augee |
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Considering the fact that DD hasn't been awarded a contract for M4 or M4A1's, I would think it's safe to say that the uppers are Colt. You know there's that whole TDP thing and .gov paying royalties to Colt, which hasn't happened yet, at least not for the M4 or M4A1...
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I am definitely out of my lane when talking about government small arms procurement, however I could see a sole-source award as a contract modification to an existing ID/IQ if the need arose. For instance, 75th is deploying and needs some complete uppers on the quick and DD has an existing contract and can supply the product. Something like this may not show up on fedbizops? Again, this is pure speculation and probably has no basis in reality.
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Lots of things are possible.
I'm told the floated uppers are quantifiably more accurate, even with ball ammunition. |
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Lots of things are possible. I'm told the floated uppers are quantifiably more accurate, even with ball ammunition. To be expected from a CHF barrel. Cheers |
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Lots of things are possible. I'm told the floated uppers are quantifiably more accurate, even with ball ammunition. To be expected from a CHF barrel. Cheers Uh oh... You just went there... |
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I am definitely out of my lane when talking about government small arms procurement, however I could see a sole-source award as a contract modification to an existing ID/IQ if the need arose. For instance, 75th is deploying and needs some complete uppers on the quick and DD has an existing contract and can supply the product. Something like this may not show up on fedbizops? Again, this is pure speculation and probably has no basis in reality. Cheers Never said it was impossible, just that I'd be surprised to hear it. It could be possible and unusual all at the same time. Haven't gotten a chance to dig into it yet, but I suspect my initial suspicion will be true - that it's just a convenient way to refer to them. Understand, non-gun folks in some circles still call every single Aimpoint they see the "CompM." You'll hear about "AA CompMs," the "mini CompMs," ect. Oh, and to some guys, every MRD is a "JPoint," whether it's made by Docter, Trijicon, or Insight. Again, not making a categorical statement, just saying I'd be surprised, just because it's unusual. What doesn't surprise me is that a FF barrel is more accurate than a non-FF barrel. Particularly after you start hanging lights and lasers off of them. With so little of the barrel exposed with the RIS II, you have very little area for outside forces to influence the POI, whether it's sling tension, a VFG, or a hasty support. ~Augee |
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The rifle is going to be sold thru MGE Wholesale. Provided is a link to the 3 different Colt AR's they are selling coming out in March. Unfortunatley I am pretty sure the prices are dealer prices.
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The rifle is going to be sold thru MGE Wholesale. Provided is a link to the 3 different Colt AR's they are selling coming out in March. Unfortunatley I am pretty sure the prices are dealer prices. Link: MGE Wholesale The prices listed in the above link are dealer prices. |
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Who still has the SOCOM's for sale?
Is there any more word on the SOCOM II's? |
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They were heavily camo'd so markings were hard to see but the Rangers present referred to them as DD uppers. I will ask next time I get a chance. My understanding is that Colt supplies uppers (barrel, receiver, BCG, CH) and they are shipped to DD for assembly with the current Gen rail system and whatnot. DD then ships the final assembled product to DOD. I saw a copy of the purchase info on FedBiz a year or two ago. |
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FYI –– My Colt 6920SOCOM has the socom profile under the kac ras but is lacking the m4 cuts between the fsb and the barrel nut. Everything else is correct, 1/7, C MP, etc. Would like to hear from other owners as I'm surprised I'm the first to notice this. No biggie for me.
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FYI –– My Colt 6920SOCOM has the socom profile under the kac ras but is lacking the m4 cuts between the fsb and the barrel nut. Everything else is correct, 1/7, C MP, etc. Would like to hear from other owners as I'm surprised I'm the first to notice this. No biggie for me. Mine too. I was actually planning on mounting my 203 to it, took the hand guards off, and was like WTF?? Kinda disappointed. |
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FYI –– My Colt 6920SOCOM has the socom profile under the kac ras but is lacking the m4 cuts between the fsb and the barrel nut. Everything else is correct, 1/7, C MP, etc. Would like to hear from other owners as I'm surprised I'm the first to notice this. No biggie for me. Mine too. I was actually planning on mounting my 203 to it, took the hand guards off, and was like WTF?? Kinda disappointed. That sucks. Swap the barrel for a real SOCOM barrel and pin an extended flash hider. |
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Ugh, I hate those forends with the FSB sticking up through like that.
Shave the damn thing off & do it right, Colt......and start making some middies. |
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Quoted: Ugh, I hate those forends with the FSB sticking up through like that. Shave the damn thing off & do it right, Colt......and start making some middies. Do it right? Some of us don't want a flimsy flip up rail mounted front sight, and like the original sturdy FSB. Still nice to get the longer rail and mount the light at 12. I love the new DD rails! |
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Ugh, I hate those forends with the FSB sticking up through like that. Shave the damn thing off & do it right, Colt......and start making some middies. Do it right? Some of us don't want a flimsy flip up rail mounted front sight, and like the original sturdy FSB. Still nice to get the longer rail and mount the light at 12. I love the new DD rails! I was in a turse mood when I posted that, sorry it was so harsh. I just don't like that particular setup. I like longer rails, but I don't want the sight sticking up through part way down. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Ugh, I hate those forends with the FSB sticking up through like that. Shave the damn thing off & do it right, Colt......and start making some middies. They did "shave" it on the 6720R. |
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Ugh, I hate those forends with the FSB sticking up through like that. Shave the damn thing off & do it right, Colt......and start making some middies. They did "shave" it on the 6720R. But then slapped a thin barrel on it. I realize some people like the weight savings, but I don't like the look. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ugh, I hate those forends with the FSB sticking up through like that. Shave the damn thing off & do it right, Colt......and start making some middies. Do it right? Some of us don't want a flimsy flip up rail mounted front sight, and like the original sturdy FSB. Still nice to get the longer rail and mount the light at 12. I love the new DD rails! I was in a turse mood when I posted that, sorry it was so harsh. I just don't like that particular setup. I like longer rails, but I don't want the sight sticking up through part way down. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hey, its all about whatever works for you right? Luckily we live in the Golden Age of Defense Rifles and have nearly limitless options open to each individual to find what works right for them. Personally I like the new DD rails because I like the standard FSB and do not like rail mount front sights. But I also would like the option to have a longer rail and also want to try mounting the light at 12 o'clock. Its kind of a "have your cake and eat it too" option. |
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Ugh, I hate those forends with the FSB sticking up through like that. Shave the damn thing off & do it right, Colt......and start making some middies. Do it right? Some of us don't want a flimsy flip up rail mounted front sight, and like the original sturdy FSB. Still nice to get the longer rail and mount the light at 12. I love the new DD rails! I was in a turse mood when I posted that, sorry it was so harsh. I just don't like that particular setup. I like longer rails, but I don't want the sight sticking up through part way down. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hey, its all about whatever works for you right? Luckily we live in the Golden Age of Defense Rifles and have nearly limitless options open to each individual to find what works right for them. Personally I like the new DD rails because I like the standard FSB and do not like rail mount front sights. But I also would like the option to have a longer rail and also want to try mounting the light at 12 o'clock. Its kind of a "have your cake and eat it too" option. Yeah, to each is own, and it is nice to have choices. I guess my dislike of that particular forend goes back to my not liking carbine length gas systems on 16" barrels, even though I have a LE6920. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Meh. I consider my home built rifles up to mattyvac spec. A spec which cannot be achieved by assembly lines. Mine are better so you can put a rifle together, better then the people that must meet in house QC, 3rd party QC and the Gov QC? and assemble rifles they know if they do it wrong US service members may die? not to mention have put together close to 10 million since the thing was 1st thought up are you really that arrogant/ignorant or are you just joking? cause i just dont think you got the same experience those assembly line guys do A good friend of mine spent years, both as a both an Army 45B and DoD contractor repairing small arms to include, yes, Colt rifles and carbines. Worked for a manufacturer along with that. He saw Colt weapons that made it through all of the QC processes you mention that failed, to include those that would not function as shipped. Yes, in all I'd trust a rifle built of quality parts (Colt, for example) by him over one that came off an assembly line. |
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Very similar to the large run of M4s the Marines got with loose barrels and wrong extractors several years ago
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Does anybody have these in stock at a price better than $1500, plus shipping, and CC fee?
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I have a question for you who own the 6920socom. 1. How do you like the knights rail compared to other rails and is it worth paying 170+ ? 2. Is the ambie safety a knights armament ambie? if it is, does it go to the full auto position? I know it wont shoot full auto but was told the ambie safety will go to the auto position. that is if i put it in a rifle. I want to put the knights ambie on my LE6920 if its the same ambie. thanks
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Quoted: Well I will definitely agree that Colt should put out a middy. Don't necessarily think it will be better than a 6920, but Colt should get into the middy market...Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ugh, I hate those forends with the FSB sticking up through like that. Shave the damn thing off & do it right, Colt......and start making some middies. Do it right? Some of us don't want a flimsy flip up rail mounted front sight, and like the original sturdy FSB. Still nice to get the longer rail and mount the light at 12. I love the new DD rails! I was in a turse mood when I posted that, sorry it was so harsh. I just don't like that particular setup. I like longer rails, but I don't want the sight sticking up through part way down. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hey, its all about whatever works for you right? Luckily we live in the Golden Age of Defense Rifles and have nearly limitless options open to each individual to find what works right for them. Personally I like the new DD rails because I like the standard FSB and do not like rail mount front sights. But I also would like the option to have a longer rail and also want to try mounting the light at 12 o'clock. Its kind of a "have your cake and eat it too" option. Yeah, to each is own, and it is nice to have choices. I guess my dislike of that particular forend goes back to my not liking carbine length gas systems on 16" barrels, even though I have a LE6920. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I have a question for you who own the 6920socom. 1. How do you like the knights rail compared to other rails and is it worth paying 170+ ? 2. Is the ambie safety a knights armament ambie? if it is, does it go to the full auto position? I know it wont shoot full auto but was told the ambie safety will go to the auto position. that is if i put it in a rifle. I want to put the knights ambie on my LE6920 if its the same ambie. thanks The ambi-safety is a "new" Colt proprietary design - the biggest thing is the shortened weak side lever - probably reversible as well. The KAC M4 RAS is very very solid and an excellent rail system - though with the 6920SOCOM-1 you're paying retail for it, which you'd rarely have to pay otherwise. ~Augee |
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thanks Augee for the reply. I have a LE6920 and just got a knights rail system. also got the knights USMC rear sight. I think its as good as the Matek but smaller. I want the ambie safety. will have to wait for Colt to come out with the ambie I guess.
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Not like it's correct anyway... I would just get a Kac or a bad ass and save some coin.
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Not like it's correct anyway... I would just get a Kac or a bad ass and save some coin. I get wanting the colt though. The "new" Colt ambi has been around for a while, it's just now going into production. I would imagine new production military Colt carbines will be coming with it as part of the new initiative to put ambi-controls on the M4 / M4A1, and DSA has received a contract to produce them for retro-fit (though they cannot sell them on the commercial market since it is a Colt design). However, any issued M4A1s I've seen with ambi-selectors up until now have been "standard" types with identically dimensioned levers on either side. I'm unsure of the exact brand, but I suspect they're probably something like the Stag or DPMS. I haven't really seen scalloped versions like the KAC on issued weapons very much. Personally, I like the BAD-ASS though, because I can use a short / thin lever, which is the only one that doesn't really get in the way of my trigger finger. ~Augee |
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These shipped today, they have MaTech (sp?) rear sights, not carry handles as seen in earlier picyures. The receiver and DD RISII are indeed black. The receiver is marked M4A1.
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These shipped today, they have MaTech (sp?) rear sights, not carry handles as seen in earlier picyures. The receiver and DD RISII are indeed black. The receiver is marked M4A1. Do you have a cost, perchance? The SOCOMII may be the better option for me... seeing as all I'm going to do is dump the barrel and rail for a 14.5"! Better resale trying to get the difference out of a RIS II than a KAC M4 RAS. Am I the only one who looks at complete rifles only for the cannibalization parts they offer? I have spare Colt 14.5" barrels already - but I could use another M4 upper for some projects! I do also have way more uppers than lowers, though! ~Augee |
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These shipped today, they have MaTech (sp?) rear sights, not carry handles as seen in earlier picyures. The receiver and DD RISII are indeed black. The receiver is marked M4A1. Do you have a cost, perchance? The SOCOMII may be the better option for me... seeing as all I'm going to do is dump the barrel and rail for a 14.5"! Better resale trying to get the difference out of a RIS II than a KAC M4 RAS. Am I the only one who looks at complete rifles only for the cannibalization parts they offer? I have spare Colt 14.5" barrels already - but I could use another M4 upper for some projects! I do also have way more uppers than lowers, though! ~Augee Is tthere a Colt SOCOM II or is that another term for the M4A1 SOCOM? I'm so lost. I just can't keep up with the different models coming out anymore. I must have missed something. Does the 6920SOCOM come with the M4 RAS and the M4A1 come with the RIS II (like picture in first post in this thread)? I want to at some point, not now though, get a 14.5" upper with the monolithic upper and get a FH pinned to make it non-SBR and can't remember the code for that thing either (6944 I think). It's terrible getting old!!! |
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These shipped today, they have MaTech (sp?) rear sights, not carry handles as seen in earlier picyures. The receiver and DD RISII are indeed black. The receiver is marked M4A1. Do you have a cost, perchance? The SOCOMII may be the better option for me... seeing as all I'm going to do is dump the barrel and rail for a 14.5"! Better resale trying to get the difference out of a RIS II than a KAC M4 RAS. Am I the only one who looks at complete rifles only for the cannibalization parts they offer? I have spare Colt 14.5" barrels already - but I could use another M4 upper for some projects! I do also have way more uppers than lowers, though! ~Augee Is tthere a Colt SOCOM II or is that another term for the M4A1 SOCOM? I'm so lost. I just can't keep up with the different models coming out anymore. I must have missed something. Does the 6920SOCOM come with the M4 RAS and the M4A1 come with the RIS II (like picture in first post in this thread)? I want to at some point, not now though, get a 14.5" upper with the monolithic upper and get a FH pinned to make it non-SBR and can't remember the code for that thing either (6944 I think). It's terrible getting old!!! Both of the Colt 6920 SOCOM's have a 16" SOCOM profile barrel, ambi selector, Matech rear sight (even though there were pictures of the SOCOMII with a carry handle previously shown) and M4A1 markings on the receiver. The difference is the rail. The SOCOM has a Knight's RAS and the SOCOMII has a Daniel Defense RISII. The rail is the only difference. |
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Which rail system is more useful the Knights RAS II or Daniel Defense RIS II?
Which is heavier? |
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Which rail system is more useful the Knights RAS II or Daniel Defense RIS II? Which is heavier? More useful? The RIS II is free floating... I guess in basic utility, there's more room to put stuff on it? I would suspect that the RAS would be a little lighter (not sure where you're getting RAS II from? That's a different rail system - unless you're planning to retro-fit, in which case, why wouldn't you just buy an SP6920 version?) because it's got about six inches less rail... but it's also beefier than the RIS II. IIRC - someone did a comparison chart of Block 1 and Block 2 M4A1 weights and Block 2 configurations were exactly one ounce heavier. ~Augee |
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I handled a few of them today and my buddy got one. Pretty damn nice.
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