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Posted: 4/11/2019 10:44:34 AM EST
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LOLOL. You're joking, right? Magpul the intercontinental heavyweight champ of announcing products 2 years before they're released. Maybe you want to go back and edit that post. Do you have anything that I’m missing here? The only thing I can think of would be their IT slip with the Scorpion parts being published to the site a few weeks prior to their official announcement at SHOT but that’s a little different. |
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Posted: 4/11/2019 10:47:46 AM EST
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Isn't their mp5 furniture announced but not available yet? PSA: “Our new PSA-5 will have Magpul furniture!...” Magpul: “we cannot comment on any future product or development of said products.” Some partnership. Seems like they were forced into announcing it by an OEM customer with huge volume. |
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Posted: 4/11/2019 11:14:36 AM EST
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Imagine how that would look... PSA: "Our new PSA-5 will have Magpul furniture!..." Magpul: "we cannot comment on any future product or development of said products." Some partnership. Seems like they were forced into announcing it by an OEM customer with huge volume. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't their mp5 furniture announced but not available yet? PSA: "Our new PSA-5 will have Magpul furniture!..." Magpul: "we cannot comment on any future product or development of said products." Some partnership. Seems like they were forced into announcing it by an OEM customer with huge volume. But it's still an announcement for a product that is pretty far from being released. |
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Posted: 4/11/2019 4:16:00 PM EST
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I agree, Magpul wouldn't have bothered to develop the MP5 stuff if they didn't bank on PSA dropping an affordable MP5. But it's still an announcement for a product that is pretty far from being released. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 4:27:30 AM EST
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So, are we ever gonna be able to buy one of these or are they vaporware?
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Posted: 4/27/2019 9:51:27 AM EST
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So, are we ever gonna be able to buy one of these or are they vaporware? |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 10:29:48 AM EST
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Magpul has been firm in their refusal to provide any info or insight as to future products regardless of how confident they are in that product coming to market. They learned their lesson with the Masada over 10yr ago and as far as I know haven’t strayed from their company line since. Do you have anything that I’m missing here? The only thing I can think of would be their IT slip with the Scorpion parts being published to the site a few weeks prior to their official announcement at SHOT but that’s a little different. The clock is running on their scorpion mags. Those were announced months ago. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 3:56:38 PM EST
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So, are we ever gonna be able to buy one of these or are they vaporware? Taurus was going to sell a 9mm carbine in the US market, but then quietly pulled the entire thing at the last second for some reason. They never sold it here. Not saying that's going to happen with PSA... |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 10:39:28 PM EST
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Lol, my thought was hopefully this project won't turn into Duke Nukem Forever. Pushing back the finish line was a bummer. Now it's the end of 2019 instead of Q2. Taurus was going to sell a 9mm carbine in the US market, but then quietly pulled the entire thing at the last second for some reason. They never sold it here. Not saying that's going to happen with PSA... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, are we ever gonna be able to buy one of these or are they vaporware? Taurus was going to sell a 9mm carbine in the US market, but then quietly pulled the entire thing at the last second for some reason. They never sold it here. Not saying that's going to happen with PSA... Also never knew about a Taurus 9mm carbine. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 7:47:45 AM EST
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I don't think we're going to see an AWB in the near future, certainly not before the end of 2020, well after PSA said they would have their MP-5 clone available. So, that should be no excuse for them.
I think an AWB is going to be a hard sell for the grabbers, especially in light of the Heller decision. The Court now has a conservative majority, and will gain a significant majority (6-3) should Trump get to replace Ginsburg. Even if Roberts flakes and tries to be a swing vote, it will be futile. As is, the grabbers are going to have a huge fight on their hands trying to keep their ultra-restricted magazine limits in place now that the issue is in play. Yeah, Taurus had a 9mm carbine they very briefly sold in the US. It looks a lot like the Storm. I stand corrected, it looks like they did sell it here, but not for long. It's been listed as out of stock at Bud's for the past couple of years. I'm not sure what happened, although it seems unlikely they feared a return of some flavor of AWB. |
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Posted: 4/28/2019 8:50:02 AM EST
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I’d be surprised if they were released this year.
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Posted: 4/28/2019 5:17:59 PM EST
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I got tired of waiting. Bought the PTR. It is on shelves and available. PSA brags about doing all the designing and producing in house......yet their 9mm AK knock was recalled/revised due to "out of spec parts from suppliers " I have used many PSA parts, but in retrospect, I just dont feel they're on a par with many other manufacturers. I wish them luck, but I will pass.
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Posted: 5/6/2019 7:38:51 PM EST
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Taurus was going to sell a 9mm carbine in the US market, but then quietly pulled the entire thing at the last second for some reason. They never sold it here. Not saying that's going to happen with PSA... Even if PSA does come out with it this year, I won't be able to afford it until next year. And personally, I'd still rather see a 16" MP5 clone with C93 style furniture to cover the barrel, somewhat similar to the Scorpion carbine. |
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Posted: 5/7/2019 12:53:44 PM EST
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Someone complained earlier of PSA using their customer base as beta testers... I'd much prefer them to spend extra time getting it right then rush it to market. Releasing a high quality Gen1 would be amazing. Take as long as you need PSA. I'll buy it when they are available.
They've been talking about a Q419 release for about a year now. I'm very much looking forward to it. |
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Posted: 5/12/2019 9:20:47 PM EST
[#15]
What’s the latest? I’m tired of waiting.
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Posted: 5/12/2019 9:35:41 PM EST
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Reports from NRAAM were that they still had a prototype behind glass that had crappy welds and a rep mentioned that they were having trouble getting it to run reliably. Furthermore reports are that the price is now being pushed upward of $1,200. I highly doubt a 2019 release, but I am all ears on a statement from the source.
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Posted: 5/14/2019 10:08:39 AM EST
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Reports from NRAAM were that they still had a prototype behind glass that had crappy welds [acceptable; prototype] and a rep mentioned that they were having trouble getting it to run reliably [not encouraging - but not damning. Still in development and I'm guessing PSA is basically self-developing this without an HK engineer guiding them (at a guess). Obviously a delay inducing item at the least.]. Furthermore reports are that the price is now being pushed upward of $1,200 [Damn, that is the worst news of this update. We all were hoping it would be a PSA quality item (i.e. actually pretty good) at a PSA price point (which is mind-blowing). I guess I don't really understand the inner workings of gun fabrication costs, but it's a barrel, a sheet metal stamped housing, and some precision machined innards. Compared to what's involved in making an AR15, there's nothing obvious to me about an MP5 that suggests drastically higher fabrication costs; aside from economy of scale. But PSA knows economy of scale. They will sell them by the truckload, if they get these babies down to the $800 range or less and put a serviceable arm-brace on them. It will take them years to satisfy demand, if they can do that.]. I highly doubt a 2019 release [ bummer, not just because I WANT IT NOW (which I do), but because I want them to start selling them, satisfy demand, and settle down to true market cost, before the next election cycle; after which things could get ugly ], but I am all ears on a statement from the source. |
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Posted: 5/14/2019 10:11:39 AM EST
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Reports from NRAAM were that they still had a prototype behind glass that had crappy welds and a rep mentioned that they were having trouble getting it to run reliably. Furthermore reports are that the price is now being pushed upward of $1,200. I highly doubt a 2019 release, but I am all ears on a statement from the source. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 10:15:37 AM EST
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I would like to know who the rep was. Please PM me their info. What they stated is all incorrect! Thank you, Josiah Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reports from NRAAM were that they still had a prototype behind glass that had crappy welds and a rep mentioned that they were having trouble getting it to run reliably. Furthermore reports are that the price is now being pushed upward of $1,200. I highly doubt a 2019 release, but I am all ears on a statement from the source. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 10:24:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then what is correct? Y’all made such a big deal about this at shot show 2018 and minimal info since. I have been a big fan of PSA but this is pissing me off.  Typical FUD.
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Posted: 5/15/2019 12:51:57 PM EST
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I would like to know who the rep was. Please PM me their info. What they stated is all incorrect! Thank you, Josiah Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reports from NRAAM were that they still had a prototype behind glass that had crappy welds and a rep mentioned that they were having trouble getting it to run reliably. Furthermore reports are that the price is now being pushed upward of $1,200. I highly doubt a 2019 release, but I am all ears on a statement from the source. Thank you, Josiah I did misquote when I said the prototype was behind glass, but should have said “behind a counter on a rack marked "Prototypes - Do not Touch". Actual quote from post on hkpro Next, I went over to Palmetto's booth to see if they had one of their MP5s. They only had one on display, behind a counter on a rack marked "Prototypes - Do not Touch". So, I went over to take a closer look. The guy behind the counter didn't seem to know a whole lot about it, other than yes, it was a reverse stretch, and yes, they were working on standard and RS variants. But he indicated they had been having problems getting them to run well and had no idea what I was talking about when I asked if it was sear ready. Frankly, the gun didn't look at that good. The welds looked kind of sloppy and the cocking tube cut looked really rough. Since I couldn't get touch it, let alone get that close, I couldn't really see much more about it. When I asked about pricing and release, he said they were trying to keep it under $1200 and that it might be coming out late this year (like November). So, it doesn't sound like it will be as cheap as some of the initial rumors indicated ($800) and we are still a ways out on release date. Again this was from a respected member in the community, but I would love to hear an actual update from the source. Any new teaser pics? Out of curiosity will PSA guns be hand welded or will they be robotically welded? I would love to pick up a reverse stretch once they are available. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 1:46:57 PM EST
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Then what is correct? Y’all made such a big deal about this at shot show 2018 and minimal info since. I have been a big fan of PSA but this is pissing me off. In my experience, PSA usually gets it right... usually. PSA is big enough, dedicated enough, and excited about their products enough - that they'll get it; I'm not too worried. My biggest concern really is if they are going to be able to get a final integrated system that doesn't look stupid, and are they going to be able to do this at I price point I agree with? I think they will, but we'll see! I do think they have better odds than anyone anywhere. As to other question on hand-weld vs robot weld. People seem to be reading a lot into a hand-built development-shop prototype. That's not a production line gun; the production line is still being built. |
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Posted: 5/15/2019 2:18:54 PM EST
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Some of the posts in this thread are a perfect example why manufacturers are reluctant to make new product announcements, or provide any information at all... until the item has hit production or is very close to it.
There are MANY steps in between the concept stage, the prototype stage, and the final production that can cause a lot of changes to designs, final costs, delivery dates, and other variables. As much as I like hearing what PSA has in the pipeline, I wouldn't blame them a bit if they started to reduce the level of communications on new/prototype product development. Unfortunately. 
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Posted: 5/15/2019 3:59:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure who the rep was, however reports were from a respected member on a few other forms that I frequent. I did misquote when I said the prototype was behind glass, but should have said “behind a counter on a rack marked "Prototypes - Do not Touch". Actual quote from post on hkpro Next, I went over to Palmetto's booth to see if they had one of their MP5s. They only had one on display, behind a counter on a rack marked "Prototypes - Do not Touch". So, I went over to take a closer look. The guy behind the counter didn't seem to know a whole lot about it, other than yes, it was a reverse stretch, and yes, they were working on standard and RS variants. But he indicated they had been having problems getting them to run well and had no idea what I was talking about when I asked if it was sear ready. Frankly, the gun didn't look at that good. The welds looked kind of sloppy and the cocking tube cut looked really rough. Since I couldn't get touch it, let alone get that close, I couldn't really see much more about it. When I asked about pricing and release, he said they were trying to keep it under $1200 and that it might be coming out late this year (like November). So, it doesn't sound like it will be as cheap as some of the initial rumors indicated ($800) and we are still a ways out on release date. Again this was from a respected member in the community, but I would love to hear an actual update from the source. Any new teaser pics? Out of curiosity will PSA guns be hand welded or will they be robotically welded? I would love to pick up a reverse stretch once they are available. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 9:55:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like to know who the rep was. Please PM me their info. What they stated is all incorrect! Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 5/17/2019 6:55:00 AM EST
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Some of the posts in this thread are a perfect example why manufacturers are reluctant to make new product announcements, or provide any information at all... until the item has hit production or is very close to it.
There are MANY steps in between the concept stage, the prototype stage, and the final production that can cause a lot of changes to designs, final costs, delivery dates, and other variables. As much as I like hearing what PSA has in the pipeline, I wouldn't blame them a bit if they started to reduce the level of communications on new/prototype product development. Unfortunately. |
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Posted: 5/19/2019 9:06:37 PM EST
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@PalmettoStateArmory
All I want is a reliable traditional MP5 style barreled receiver to which I can add my own lower with semi trigger pack, handguard, brace, caps or stocks. Call it the PSA-5 Freedom series. No welded on optic rails, no parts that are visually incorrect, no lack of sling eyelets or weldments, no BS. I don't care if the barrel is 4140 unlined steel rather than CHF or nitride. I don't care if the finish is shinier than a real HK as long as it works. I just want something that is fun. 
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Posted: 5/20/2019 8:03:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too be fair, there is a lot of interest in this product and people have been asking for updates, ANY updates from PSA, which they've ignored. When someone posts an update from a company associate, second hand, PSA finally chimes in and says "Nah, that's not right." and then vanishes again without contributing a thing. And this is their product. Smells of vapor. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 5/20/2019 11:03:01 AM EST
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Like a bunch of kids.
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? 
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Posted: 5/20/2019 2:12:33 PM EST
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Like a bunch of kids. Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? |
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Posted: 5/31/2019 10:22:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then what is correct? Y’all made such a big deal about this at shot show 2018 and minimal info since. I have been a big fan of PSA but this is pissing me off. You're so entitled to a new MP5 right now! |
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Posted: 5/31/2019 1:11:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The update is the one that I have been giving all along. We are expecting 4th Quarter this year. Beyond that, I do not have any new updates. Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 4:51:24 PM EST
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Is this thing going to require a tax stamp?
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Posted: 6/1/2019 5:43:13 PM EST
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LOL You're so entitled to a new MP5 right now! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Then what is correct? Y’all made such a big deal about this at shot show 2018 and minimal info since. I have been a big fan of PSA but this is pissing me off. You're so entitled to a new MP5 right now! Some people’s kids |
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Posted: 6/1/2019 6:11:05 PM EST
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It’s coming as a “pistol” if I recall the pictures.
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Posted: 6/1/2019 6:35:46 PM EST
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Is this thing going to require a tax stamp? |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:48:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The update is the one that I have been giving all along. We are expecting 4th Quarter this year. Beyond that, I do not have any new updates. Thank you, Josiah 
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Posted: 6/23/2019 7:48:41 PM EST
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updates please?
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:12:53 AM EST
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updates please? Thank you, Josiah |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:49:17 PM EST
[#40]
This should be a fairly reasonable question.
Will the PSA mp5 use the akv mags? |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 9:59:14 PM EST
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This should be a fairly reasonable question. Will the PSA mp5 use the akv mags? Whether that second version happens or not, we’ll have to see. |
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Posted: 6/25/2019 12:54:37 PM EST
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I agree, Magpul wouldn't have bothered to develop the MP5 stuff if they didn't bank on PSA dropping an affordable MP5. But it's still an announcement for a product that is pretty far from being released. |
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Posted: 6/26/2019 7:17:44 PM EST
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No, from earlier in the thread/another thread it was going to be MP5 mags and there was another version in the works for either a Scorpion or Glock mag. I’m leaning towards the Scorpion mag version. Whether that second version happens or not, we’ll have to see. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This should be a fairly reasonable question. Will the PSA mp5 use the akv mags? Whether that second version happens or not, we’ll have to see. I really like the interchangeable mags with my scorpion and AKV. I will definitely get a scorpion mag MP5 if they release one. Guess I’ll just wait and see if it happens. I’ll probably pick up their mp5 regardless though. |
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Posted: 7/2/2019 11:32:56 PM EST
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Sorry Josiah, With bullshit laws going into effect in WA I couldn't wait anymore and bought one from the competition. I'll still consider a PSA one when they come out, just waiting for the legal battles in WA to come and get resolved.
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Posted: 7/28/2019 11:27:21 AM EST
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Any updates on when we will hear new updates? Or just the same, "expected time frame for release is Q4 2019?"
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Posted: 7/28/2019 11:34:58 AM EST
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It'd be pretty cool to see the same pre-order system used to launch these as we've seen with the unique lowers.
@PalmettoStateArmory Perhaps those who are willing to jump in on the pre-order could get some amazing pricing for being willing to jump in before there's a ton of feedback on them. |
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Posted: 7/28/2019 2:53:32 PM EST
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It'd be pretty cool to see the same pre-order system used to launch these as we've seen with the unique lowers. @PalmettoStateArmory Perhaps those who are willing to jump in on the pre-order could get some amazing pricing for being willing to jump in before there's a ton of feedback on them. |
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Posted: 7/29/2019 8:29:12 PM EST
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I was weak. In the past 5 weeks, I've gotten the POF reverse stretch and my tax stamp back on it. Then the POF full size to go with it. About to SBR that bad boy.
So my itch has partially been scratched. Still interested in the version that takes CZ mags and AR triggers. I'm not here trying to be a purist. And definitely looking forwards to PSA mags. Lemme get a 20 pack of 35 round mags for $14 with free shipping. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 6:18:10 PM EST
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This should be a fairly reasonable question. Will the PSA mp5 use the akv mags? Though I know that at one point Atlantic Firearms sold something that was cosmetically an MP5, but was blowback (I think) and took Uzi mags. But that's Atlantic, and that thing was never billed as an MP5. Its not an MP5 if it doesn't take MP5 mags; it's an MP5 style roller lock rifle. Which, if we're asking for those, I'd like one that, if it has to have a 16" barrel, also has HK93 style full length furniture (for those of us who don't like the long barrel/short hand guard look). The longer handguard would also let me install wooden furniture
ETA: scorpion mags and AR triggers? Where is the source of this kinda stuff? Did I miss a thread somewhere? |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 7:34:55 PM EST
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Where does this question (will this MP5 use something other than MP5 mags) keep coming from? This thread is the only instance I've ever heard of such a thing. Though I know that at one point Atlantic Firearms sold something that was cosmetically an MP5, but was blowback (I think) and took Uzi mags. But that's Atlantic, and that thing was never billed as an MP5. Its not an MP5 if it doesn't take MP5 mags; it's an MP5 style roller lock rifle. Which, if we're asking for those, I'd like one that, if it has to have a 16" barrel, also has HK93 style full length furniture (for those of us who don't like the long barrel/short hand guard look). The longer handguard would also let me install wooden furniture
ETA: scorpion mags and AR triggers? Where is the source of this kinda stuff? Did I miss a thread somewhere? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This should be a fairly reasonable question. Will the PSA mp5 use the akv mags? Though I know that at one point Atlantic Firearms sold something that was cosmetically an MP5, but was blowback (I think) and took Uzi mags. But that's Atlantic, and that thing was never billed as an MP5. Its not an MP5 if it doesn't take MP5 mags; it's an MP5 style roller lock rifle. Which, if we're asking for those, I'd like one that, if it has to have a 16" barrel, also has HK93 style full length furniture (for those of us who don't like the long barrel/short hand guard look). The longer handguard would also let me install wooden furniture
ETA: scorpion mags and AR triggers? Where is the source of this kinda stuff? Did I miss a thread somewhere? ETA: If I were designing these things I'd skip the second version and just make an MP5 upper for an AR15 lower, maybe with a thin magwell for AK-V mags that fits inside the AR lower's magwell. |
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