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I have a question... Why have a huge quad rail forearm with only XTM panels and a light? Wouldn't it be lighter and simpler to just have a regular handguard and add a rail for a light? Shooting technique. It allows the shooter to get their hand further out on the handguard, which helps the shooter drive the gun better, recoil management, and control. Competiton shooters (3 gunners / run and gun rifle shooters / etc) have been running longer handguards for years, for the reasons mentioned above. Hope this helps |
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Quoted: Quoted: I have a question... Why have a huge quad rail forearm with only XTM panels and a light? Wouldn't it be lighter and simpler to just have a regular handguard and add a rail for a light? Shooting technique. It allows the shooter to get their hand further out on the handguard, which helps the shooter drive the gun better, recoil management, and control. Competiton shooters (3 gunners / run and gun rifle shooters / etc) have been running longer handguards for years, for the reasons mentioned above. Hope this helps Um...doesn't really help. What stops you from having your hand far out on a regular handguard? Talking right here. Ain't nothin on the rail but mostly rail covers. Just seems like a handguard of the same length with a small light rail added would be lighter and more manageable. I just don't get why someone has a huge rail with nothing on it, just to cover all the rail slots with more stuff...adding more weight...returning it to the same profile as some handguards. Not a lot being being used....so why have it? Something like this underneath looks like it'd give a person that long reach you're talking about....the rail for his light..... but without all the extra metal. Ya know what I mean? But I'm just asking because I don't know. Maybe he puts more stuff on outside of the class or something. |
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Define what you mean by "regular handguard" ... Do you mean something like a standard carbine length handguard like a LaRue 7.0 or standard plastic handguards or are you refering to something else?
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I could be wrong but it looks like USMC03 is using a LaRue 11" rail on a 14.5" barrel with a PWS FSC556.
Judging from previous pictures it looks like he runs his support hand all the way forward with the index finger pointing towards the target. If you try this with a mid-length handguard your hand is going to be making contact with the barrel. The other thing is that the LaRue rail has been out for a few years and the middy MOE is not out yet. While there are other companies that offer a mid-length handguard, they do not have the features necessary to mount a light on them. |
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Quoted: Define what you mean by "regular handguard" ... Do you mean something like a standard carbine length handguard like a LaRue 7.0 or standard plastic handguards or are you refering to something else? I don't mean as in length when I say regular. I mean is in standard plastic handguards...or anything lighter than the rail. Seems like the guy in the picture is not using all that rail for anything, he could replace it with some standard handguard of the same length...get his reach but have a lighter setup. So I'm just wondering why have that heavy rail when it's practically empty except for rail covers. Quoted: I could be wrong but it looks like USMC03 is using a LaRue 11" rail on a 14.5" barrel with a PWS FSC556. Judging from previous pictures it looks like he runs his support hand all the way forward with the index finger pointing towards the target. If you try this with a mid-length handguard your hand is going to be making contact with the barrel. The other thing is that the LaRue rail has been out for a few years and the middy MOE is not out yet. While there are other companies that offer a mid-length handguard, they do not have the features necessary to mount a light on them. Oh okay, I can understand that...reaching to the end of a 11 inch instead of a 9 inch. Just seems like a lot of wasted rail to get there I guess. But I disagree...it's easy to mount a light to standard handguard by drilling for a rail. Or to those light weight tube style handguards that have the holes for rails already in them. But a man can do what he wants with his rifle...just looked like a pain to me to have a heavy rail that's not making up for anything on it. So I was curious to ask. And that's my current personal predicament as well...that I don't feel the quad rail on my rifle is making up for its weight so when I saw these pictures with similar setups to mine...I was wondering if there was any similar consideration out there. |
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I think there is an interesting trend towards lighter and less complex set-ups. I ran a Noveske Recce in the class, but my back-up gun was a BCM Middy with the long VTAC TRX rail. Light, cheaper than most FF rails and it comes with enough rails to mount a front sight, bipod/grip, and a light - but not rail where you usually don't grip it. It seems to shave $100 of the price of an upper also.
My next upper will be a Magpul Rifle length MOE handguards on a 16 inch middy barrel with a rifle length front site, like the old Bushy Dissipator models. Stickman has some pics and Travis had that set-up at the class. Sweet set-up, not free floated- but a good hard use rifle for non-precision shooting. |
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Define what you mean by "regular handguard" ... Do you mean something like a standard carbine length handguard like a LaRue 7.0 or standard plastic handguards or are you refering to something else? I don't mean as in length when I say regular. I mean is in standard plastic handguards...or anything lighter than the rail. Seems like the guy in the picture is not using all that rail for anything, he could replace it with some standard handguard of the same length...get his reach but have a lighter setup. So I'm just wondering why have that heavy rail when it's practically empty except for rail covers. [div]
The guy in the pic you have above is me. I am using all of the rail (look where my hand is positioned), and the rail / XTM pannels are not that heavy. Read my first response as to why I run longer rails. Longer rails also have an advantage when having to rest the gun on the hood of a car, fense, or other barricade when you are covering an area for several hours. Hope this helps. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Define what you mean by "regular handguard" ... Do you mean something like a standard carbine length handguard like a LaRue 7.0 or standard plastic handguards or are you refering to something else? I don't mean as in length when I say regular. I mean is in standard plastic handguards...or anything lighter than the rail. Seems like the guy in the picture is not using all that rail for anything, he could replace it with some standard handguard of the same length...get his reach but have a lighter setup. So I'm just wondering why have that heavy rail when it's practically empty except for rail covers. The guy in the pic you have above is me. I am using all of the rail (look where my hand is positioned), and the rail / XTM pannels are not that heavy. Read my first response as to why I run longer rails. Longer rails also have an advantage when having to rest the gun on the hood of a car, fense, or other barricade when you are covering an area for several hours. Hope this helps. Yeah I get what you're saying. But when you say your using all the of the rail...I know you mean you're putting your hand far out as it will go...which you could do with a long handguard. I meant unused as in lack of accessories in the early, bottom, middle sections...which just makes it questionable as to why we choose rails when we don't need it all. My setup is similar. [div]And my bad, didn't realize it was you in that specific picture. |
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Quadrails
1. free floating barrel = greater accuracy 2. locks up tight, much more solid than standard handguards 3. modularity, you can constantly change up what you are putting on the rail or where you are putting it 4. length. some of us are longer than others, so we appreciate the greater reach... 5. not really that much heavier than standard handguards when you factor in everything 6. worth much more functionally than their negative of a few extra ounces |
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My next upper will be a Magpul Rifle length MOE handguards on a 16 inch middy barrel with a rifle length front site, like the old Bushy Dissipator models. Stickman has some pics and Travis had that set-up at the class. Sweet set-up, not free floated- but a good hard use rifle for non-precision shooting. Any chance there's a photo of this that can be added to this thread ? |
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I think what LaRue 556 is asking is; why have all the rail space but not mount anything on the rails?
I think the general consensus is so that the gun has adaptability for different situations and POU's. Me personally on my gun, I try to keep it light as possible. As soon as it gets here I'll be running a MOE Handguard and FVG with a small rail section mounted for a light. But a buddy of my runs a full length rail system with nothing more than a laser on it and he keeps the rail system on there so that he can adapt the gun to whatever situation he may feel he'll encounter. |
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My next upper will be a Magpul Rifle length MOE handguards on a 16 inch middy barrel with a rifle length front site, like the old Bushy Dissipator models. Stickman has some pics and Travis had that set-up at the class. Sweet set-up, not free floated- but a good hard use rifle for non-precision shooting. Any chance there's a photo of this that can be added to this thread ? http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4449947273_f7fefebcd7_o.jpg Been planning the same build since March, Just need an Adco barrle group and rifle length MOE handguards. That is smok'n. Very nice. |
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as usual great pics bro! the more i look at these pics, the more i ask myself why in the sam hill im not in this courses. that said whats the 2011 MD schedule, i gotta sign up!
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The schedule for the Magpul Dynamics classes is in the schedule section of their website: www.magpuldynamics.com
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The schedule for the Magpul Dynamics classes is in the schedule section of their website: www.magpuldynamics.com yea but no 2011 yet. Fantastic pictures Jeff! |
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Now that is an Alpine Rescue Team with some teeth!
Interesting retention feature he has added to that Raven holster. |
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Dump pouch? Appropriately named! |
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What rail system is that? I'm digging that. |
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What rail system is that? I'm digging that. Troy TRX vtac |
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thanx for still posting pics, it's nice to come back here from time to time and see more. that 14.5in upper travis is running looks like a great, economical option for a training rifle.
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I've been looking into a light for my carbine and I use a thumb over bore method as well. How much of a pain is light activation with this hold? |
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It's funny how almost EVERYONE is using either an Aimpoint T1/H1. Mostly in the beginning photos.
Great pictures man, they're awesome! Btw, what camera are you using? |
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Dump pouch? i loled |
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USMC03 how did you like your BCM Chest harness? I have the exact one you do and am attending the courses in 2 weeks, so I'm really curious about your results with it.
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Mini-Costa? Who is that? Don't get all worked up. Its a dude with a beard. |
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USMC03 how did you like your BCM Chest harness? I have the exact one you do and am attending the courses in 2 weeks, so I'm really curious about your results with it. Considering he designed it, I'm guessing he likes it just fine My input may not be as solid, but I can assure you that the BCM chest rig will more than meet your demands. Its a great, lightweight and well thought out rig that is comfortable for long-term usage and has the mags in the right spots. You'll like it, I love mine. |
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USMC03 how did you like your BCM Chest harness? I have the exact one you do and am attending the courses in 2 weeks, so I'm really curious about your results with it. Considering he designed it, I'm guessing he likes it just fine My input may not be as solid, but I can assure you that the BCM chest rig will more than meet your demands. Its a great, lightweight and well thought out rig that is comfortable for long-term usage and has the mags in the right spots. You'll like it, I love mine. Lol how was I suppose to know he designed it, yeah I would guess he loved it if it was his design |
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USMC03 how did you like your BCM Chest harness? I have the exact one you do and am attending the courses in 2 weeks, so I'm really curious about your results with it. Considering he designed it, I'm guessing he likes it just fine My input may not be as solid, but I can assure you that the BCM chest rig will more than meet your demands. Its a great, lightweight and well thought out rig that is comfortable for long-term usage and has the mags in the right spots. You'll like it, I love mine. Lol how was I suppose to know he designed it, yeah I would guess he loved it if it was his design Looks like Jeff needs to increase the branding on his gear! |
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