[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Barrel Info??? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 3/13/2014 4:52:57 PM EDT
Does Anybody have any info on this barrel? It came on my Ptac upper today. |
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PTAC 16" M4 Melonite SS12G2 5.56mm 1:9 Carbine Length - without BCG & Charging Handle <a href="http://s594.photobucket.com/user/M4DAD/media/20140313_180534_zpsjuivendv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt30/M4DAD/20140313_180534_zpsjuivendv.jpg</a> You will like it. I have the same one in 1/7. Love it. What Does yours weigh? Did PSA include your MI extra rail sections? 
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That's the first pic I've seen of one assembled as a complete rifle. That's the only PTAC upper I would consider and I want one with a rail like that. But it's been a while since they put any up for sale. How does it shoot? Mine shoots great. Good accuracy and the melonite seems very durable. I like being able to add extra rails only where I need them. Mine is around 6 lbs 7 oz with just mbus sights. |
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Mine shoots great. Good accuracy and the melonite seems very durable. I like being able to add extra rails only where I need them. Mine is around 6 lbs 7 oz with just mbus sights. Quoted:
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That's the first pic I've seen of one assembled as a complete rifle. That's the only PTAC upper I would consider and I want one with a rail like that. But it's been a while since they put any up for sale. How does it shoot? Mine shoots great. Good accuracy and the melonite seems very durable. I like being able to add extra rails only where I need them. Mine is around 6 lbs 7 oz with just mbus sights. Good accuracy as in... Sub MOA? |
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Good accuracy as in... Sub MOA? Quoted:
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That's the first pic I've seen of one assembled as a complete rifle. That's the only PTAC upper I would consider and I want one with a rail like that. But it's been a while since they put any up for sale. How does it shoot? Mine shoots great. Good accuracy and the melonite seems very durable. I like being able to add extra rails only where I need them. Mine is around 6 lbs 7 oz with just mbus sights. Good accuracy as in... Sub MOA? Sub Moa? I do not even know how to tell. I would say the within Mil-Spec statement on their website in slightly understated. Way better than my AK 
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Sub Moa? I do not even know how to tell. I would say the within Mil-Spec statement on their website in slightly understated. Way better than my AK [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ig] Quoted:
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That's the first pic I've seen of one assembled as a complete rifle. That's the only PTAC upper I would consider and I want one with a rail like that. But it's been a while since they put any up for sale. How does it shoot? Mine shoots great. Good accuracy and the melonite seems very durable. I like being able to add extra rails only where I need them. Mine is around 6 lbs 7 oz with just mbus sights. Good accuracy as in... Sub MOA? Sub Moa? I do not even know how to tell. I would say the within Mil-Spec statement on their website in slightly understated. Way better than my AK [img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ig] Lol that isn't saying much. Mil spec is a 5" group. That's ehhh....not so good. lol |
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Lol that isn't saying much. Mil spec is a 5" group. That's ehhh....not so good. lol Quoted:
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That's the first pic I've seen of one assembled as a complete rifle. That's the only PTAC upper I would consider and I want one with a rail like that. But it's been a while since they put any up for sale. How does it shoot? Mine shoots great. Good accuracy and the melonite seems very durable. I like being able to add extra rails only where I need them. Mine is around 6 lbs 7 oz with just mbus sights. Good accuracy as in... Sub MOA? Sub Moa? I do not even know how to tell. I would say the within Mil-Spec statement on their website in slightly understated. Way better than my AK [url]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ig] Lol that isn't saying much. Mil spec is a 5" group. That's ehhh....not so good. lol You saw the price correct? |
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Sub Moa? I do not even know how to tell. I would say the within Mil-Spec statement on their website in slightly understated. Way better than my AK [url]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/ig Lol that isn't saying much. Mil spec is a 5" group. That's ehhh....not so good. lol You saw the price correct? So being cheap makes it ok to only shoot a 5" group meanwhile for $100 more you can shoot sub MOA all day? If this is peoples thought process no wonder the PTAC uppers are flying out the warehouse. No one cares about quality anymore. They see CHEAP and buy... |
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So you think for 279$ I can get an upper that shoots sub moa....LOL ETA just because I like cheap does not mean its my only rifle. Can you show me where I said *complete* upper? No, I didn't think you could. For $100 more you can get a premium PSA upper. |
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Can you show me where I said *complete* upper? No, I didn't think you could. For $100 more you can get a premium PSA upper. Quoted:
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So you think for 279$ I can get an upper that shoots sub moa....LOL ETA just because I like cheap does not mean its my only rifle. Can you show me where I said *complete* upper? No, I didn't think you could. For $100 more you can get a premium PSA upper. And it is SUB moa all day BTW the PTAC s are based at 179 ish complete upper The PSA premium are 279 ish. That is exactly what you said. 100$ more. But I contest that they are sub moa. |
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And it is SUB moa all day BTW the PTAC s are based at 179 ish complete upper The PSA premium are 279 ish. That is exactly what you said. 100$ more. But I contest that they are sub moa. Quoted:
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So you think for 279$ I can get an upper that shoots sub moa....LOL ETA just because I like cheap does not mean its my only rifle. Can you show me where I said *complete* upper? No, I didn't think you could. For $100 more you can get a premium PSA upper. And it is SUB moa all day BTW the PTAC s are based at 179 ish complete upper The PSA premium are 279 ish. That is exactly what you said. 100$ more. But I contest that they are sub moa. So why couldn't you just say that from the get-go? I only stated 5" group because the description says it's expected to group within the mil spec which is 5 inches. |
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So why couldn't you just say that from the get-go? I only stated 5" group because the description says it's expected to group within the mil spec which is 5 inches. Quoted:
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So you think for 279$ I can get an upper that shoots sub moa....LOL ETA just because I like cheap does not mean its my only rifle. Can you show me where I said *complete* upper? No, I didn't think you could. For $100 more you can get a premium PSA upper. And it is SUB moa all day ? Edit for clarity... BTW the PTAC s are based at 179 ish complete upper The PSA premium are 279 ish. That is exactly what you said. 100$ more. But I contest that the PSA Premiums are sub moa. So why couldn't you just say that from the get-go? I only stated 5" group because the description says it's expected to group within the mil spec which is 5 inches. What are you talking about? I said that the PTAC is described as within "mil Spec" You said for 100$ more than a PTAC upper, I can get an upper with a barrel that is "sub moa" all day . The PTAC upper starts at 179. I asked for you to show me where I can find an upper for 279 Sub - MOA all day. You would probably be hard pressed to find many stock rifles at all that shoot SUB MOA. |
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You would probably be hard pressed to find many stock rifles at all that shoot SUB MOA. Quoted:
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So you think for 279$ I can get an upper that shoots sub moa....LOL ETA just because I like cheap does not mean its my only rifle. Can you show me where I said *complete* upper? No, I didn't think you could. For $100 more you can get a premium PSA upper. And it is SUB moa all day ? Edit for clarity... BTW the PTAC s are based at 179 ish complete upper The PSA premium are 279 ish. That is exactly what you said. 100$ more. But I contest that the PSA Premiums are sub moa. So why couldn't you just say that from the get-go? I only stated 5" group because the description says it's expected to group within the mil spec which is 5 inches. You would probably be hard pressed to find many stock rifles at all that shoot SUB MOA. Not sure if you're serious or trolling. I owned two DPMS rifles that shot 1-2" groups @ 100 yards all day and I'm far from a marksman shooter. With a better shooter pulling the trigger, I'm sure it would have shot sub 1" groups. Also, you edited your post after I replied and tried to make me look dumb, but good try. |
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OK again I will say that I am not great at understanding "moa" But I know enough to know that "groups" in a shooting session do not equal "moa". I don't think you can even count to potato. While the term MOA and term group ARE two different things, a 5" GROUP is NOT MOA or SUB MOA. Does that clarify anything for you?? MOA = 1" GROUP @ 100 yards. SUB MOA = under a 1" group. |
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I don't think you can even count to potato. While the term MOA and term group ARE two different things, a 5" GROUP is NOT MOA or SUB MOA. Does that clarify anything for you?? MOA = 1" GROUP @ 100 yards. SUB MOA = under a 1" group. Quoted:
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OK again I will say that I am not great at understanding "moa" But I know enough to know that "groups" in a shooting session do not equal "moa". I don't think you can even count to potato. While the term MOA and term group ARE two different things, a 5" GROUP is NOT MOA or SUB MOA. Does that clarify anything for you?? MOA = 1" GROUP @ 100 yards. SUB MOA = under a 1" group. And I say you are FOS if you claim your dpms rifle shoots "sub MOA". |
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And I say you are FOS if you claim your dpms rifle shoots "sub MOA". Quoted:
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OK again I will say that I am not great at understanding "moa" But I know enough to know that "groups" in a shooting session do not equal "moa". I don't think you can even count to potato. While the term MOA and term group ARE two different things, a 5" GROUP is NOT MOA or SUB MOA. Does that clarify anything for you?? MOA = 1" GROUP @ 100 yards. SUB MOA = under a 1" group. And I say you are FOS if you claim your dpms rifle shoots "sub MOA". Believe what you want man. Sorry that's mind blowing to you... I said I shot 1-2" groups. The right person could definitely shoot sub moa with it. It really isn't uncommon for DPMS's, Bushy's, etc to shoot sub moa with a good shooter... Sorry you can't wrap your mind around that. |
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I seriously thought this was PSA introduction line of parts to the AR market, I swear I read this in an article somewhere. Honestly I rather their barrels that come from FN and pay just a little more, but that is my preference when it comes to something like this. |
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I seriously thought this was PSA introduction line of parts to the AR market, I swear I read this in an article somewhere. Honestly I rather their barrels that come from FN and pay just a little more, but that is my preference when it comes to something like this. My take on it is if you're gonna spend money on something, what's $90 - $100 more in the big picture of the entire rifle? PTAC upper is $180...meanwhile you can get a premium PSA upper for $270. If you're gonna cheap out over $90-$100 on a rifle then wow is all I can really say. IF we knew more about the PTAC uppers, it would be a different story, but cheaping out on a product I know zero about is just not the way I like to spend my hard earned money. Especially when we're talking about such a small amount in the first place. |
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And I say you are FOS if you claim your dpms rifle shoots "sub MOA". Quoted:
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OK again I will say that I am not great at understanding "moa" But I know enough to know that "groups" in a shooting session do not equal "moa". I don't think you can even count to potato. While the term MOA and term group ARE two different things, a 5" GROUP is NOT MOA or SUB MOA. Does that clarify anything for you?? MOA = 1" GROUP @ 100 yards. SUB MOA = under a 1" group. And I say you are FOS if you claim your dpms rifle shoots "sub MOA". I HAVE ONE TOO(a DPMS).....Silver I have noticed you are kinda cocky, you need to tone it down a bit this isn't a chitfestival.... |
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I have owned two DPMS barrels one 308 24 inch ss shot under an inch and a 308 AP4 16 inch barrel that shot under two inches. DPMS barrels are very under rated. Shit I have repeated this three times this week. Price does not always get you performance it does not matter if its cheap or expensive.
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<a href="http://s594.photobucket.com/user/M4DAD/media/Screenshot_2014-03-13-19-46-38_zpskgg1tiww.png.html" target="_blank">http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt30/M4DAD/Screenshot_2014-03-13-19-46-38_zpskgg1tiww.png</a> Does Anybody have any info on this barrel? It came on my Ptac upper today. is that a D8 in front? if so thats the first d8 stamped one ive seen. PSA has stated publicly that they are the sole distributor for PTAC beyond that, we dont know much. Folks have speculated who they are since they were released. ive got 2 of the 179 ptac uppers 556/1/7 twist unlined without issues. ive used one for dedicated .22 rifle, and the other ive used as a "test" to see what the deal is with it. so far so good. |
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Good luck. We all wanna know. Quoted:
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WOW, all I wanted to know was who made the barrel..... Good luck. We all wanna know. Don't know if correct, but has anybody thought that maybe this barrel is same barrel that Diamondback(DB) uses on their Rifles(DB15)? Or at least from same Manufacturer? Found another with DB Custom Barrels that come from Spartan Imports---but they're for Air Soft. Does an Air Soft barrel have the same alloys/strength that can also be used as a AR15 type barrel? |
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is that a D8 in front? if so thats the first d8 stamped one ive seen. PSA has stated publicly that they are the sole distributor for PTAC beyond that, we dont know much. Folks have speculated who they are since they were released. ive got 2 of the 179 ptac uppers 556/1/7 twist unlined without issues. ive used one for dedicated .22 rifle, and the other ive used as a "test" to see what the deal is with it. so far so good. Quoted:
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<a href="http://s594.photobucket.com/user/M4DAD/media/Screenshot_2014-03-13-19-46-38_zpskgg1tiww.png.html" target="_blank">http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt30/M4DAD/Screenshot_2014-03-13-19-46-38_zpskgg1tiww.png</a> Does Anybody have any info on this barrel? It came on my Ptac upper today. is that a D8 in front? if so thats the first d8 stamped one ive seen. PSA has stated publicly that they are the sole distributor for PTAC beyond that, we dont know much. Folks have speculated who they are since they were released. ive got 2 of the 179 ptac uppers 556/1/7 twist unlined without issues. ive used one for dedicated .22 rifle, and the other ive used as a "test" to see what the deal is with it. so far so good. Like Triumphman said, I'm pretty sure that's a "DB" and not a "D8" |
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I have owned two DPMS barrels one 308 24 inch ss shot under an inch and a 308 AP4 16 inch barrel that shot under two inches. DPMS barrels are very under rated. Shit I have repeated this three times this week. Price does not always get you performance it does not matter if its cheap or expensive. AL My point is exactly that. Price is not what makes it good or bad necessarily. A 24 inch stainless barrel will cost way more than an entry level PTAC. Not 100$ more. The barrels on a 179$ PTAC upper are essentially 20$. |
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My point is exactly that. Price is not what makes it good or bad necessarily. A 24 inch stainless barrel will cost way more than an entry level PTAC. Not 100$ more. The barrels on a 179$ PTAC upper are essentially 20$. Quoted:
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I have owned two DPMS barrels one 308 24 inch ss shot under an inch and a 308 AP4 16 inch barrel that shot under two inches. DPMS barrels are very under rated. Shit I have repeated this three times this week. Price does not always get you performance it does not matter if its cheap or expensive. AL My point is exactly that. Price is not what makes it good or bad necessarily. A 24 inch stainless barrel will cost way more than an entry level PTAC. Not 100$ more. The barrels on a 179$ PTAC upper are essentially 20$. Yeah, you're clueless man... |
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Quoted: And I say you are FOS if you claim your dpms rifle shoots "sub MOA". Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: OK again I will say that I am not great at understanding "moa" But I know enough to know that "groups" in a shooting session do not equal "moa". I don't think you can even count to potato. While the term MOA and term group ARE two different things, a 5" GROUP is NOT MOA or SUB MOA. Does that clarify anything for you?? MOA = 1" GROUP @ 100 yards. SUB MOA = under a 1" group. And I say you are FOS if you claim your dpms rifle shoots "sub MOA". |
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Ive noticed that when ppl say their AR is sub MOA all day with green tip(for example) they are talking about 3 shot groups. Anyone who has read Molon's testing on this site knows why 3 shot groups are a measure for nothing. Most rifles can shoot cherry picked 3 shot groups sub-MOA with their chosen bulk/trash rounds. Consistent 10 shot groups preferably (5 shot at the absolute very least) sub-MOA actually tell something. Quoted:
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OK again I will say that I am not great at understanding "moa" But I know enough to know that "groups" in a shooting session do not equal "moa". I don't think you can even count to potato. While the term MOA and term group ARE two different things, a 5" GROUP is NOT MOA or SUB MOA. Does that clarify anything for you?? MOA = 1" GROUP @ 100 yards. SUB MOA = under a 1" group. And I say you are FOS if you claim your dpms rifle shoots "sub MOA". Like I said. I am no expert but I do know that much. I know pricing pretty well though. |
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lol at the dude that thinks his DPMS is sub MOA.
lol at him ALSO thinking that a PSA premium is sub MOA. Not a chance in hell that either are sub MOA rifles, especially with m193/m855 or anything less than match ammo. You won't be getting anything sub MOA at the price point of $600 for a complete PSA rifle or $450 for a complete PTAC rifle. You're not going to get sub MOA out of a mass produced, chrome lined barrel with a 5.56 chamber. A decent match or bull barrel with a .223 wylde chamber should be able to get it done. |
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I think they will keep it under wraps. It is common practice to not tell people where they source their barrels. For example BCM does not make their barrels and I don't know where they are made.
More often than not I found the difference in accuracy has to do with the "idiot" accessory on it. |
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I think they will keep it under wraps. It is common practice to not tell people where they source their barrels. For example BCM does not make their barrels and I don't know where they are made. More often than not I found the difference in accuracy has to do with the "idiot" accessory on it. Agreed |
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I think they will keep it under wraps. It is common practice to not tell people where they source their barrels. For example BCM does not make their barrels and I don't know where they are made. More often than not I found the difference in accuracy has to do with the "idiot" accessory on it. agreed. |