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Posted: 1/5/2024 10:36:25 PM EDT
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Can't never could 'til try came along.
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: LINK View Quote If I could find a NOS (pre CZ) one of those I would have to get it for the collection 'if' the price was right. |
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Originally Posted By oxford411: Genuinely curious, what does a pre-CZ offer you that the current offerings don’t? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By oxford411: Originally Posted By Aaron56: If I could find a NOS (pre CZ) Genuinely curious, what does a pre-CZ offer you that the current offerings don’t? Not a damn thing tangible. |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Not a damn thing tangible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By oxford411: Originally Posted By Aaron56: If I could find a NOS (pre CZ) Genuinely curious, what does a pre-CZ offer you that the current offerings don’t? Not a damn thing tangible. I feel the same way. I see this “pre-CZ” enough that I am curious the reason from someone that uses it and sees a difference. I have my own reserves about the laser engraved roll marks currently being used but that was before CZ and I know it is nothing more than cosmetics. |
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Originally Posted By oxford411: Genuinely curious, what does a pre-CZ offer you that the current offerings don’t? View Quote Dates and other such markings on my barrels for one thing. Or... Properly marked Schmid trigger parts and not some other random stuff from god knows where that ends up getting 'recalled' at a later date... They are not the same. FWIW - Many guys here were outraged when the Expanse stuff came out. Crying about the 'non-Colt' and 'outsourced' parts that came from wherever but now... That shit got real quiet didn't it! Like it or not, The Expanse stuff was generally closer to the regular Colt offerings at the time (AND sold at a discount compared to their 'LE series') than the CR series stuff is now. Guys happily paying full Colt price now for parts that they have no idea where they came from or what 'specs' they may or may not have met... |
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Originally Posted By Aaron56: Dates and other such markings on my barrels for one thing. Or... Properly marked Schmid trigger parts and not some other random stuff from god knows where that ends up getting 'recalled' at a later date... They are not the same. FWIW - Many guys here were outraged when the Expanse stuff came out. Crying about the 'non-Colt' and 'outsourced' parts that came from wherever but now... That shit got real quiet didn't it! Like it or not, The Expanse stuff was generally closer to the regular Colt offerings at the time (AND sold at a discount compared to their 'LE series') than the CR series stuff is now. Guys happily paying full Colt price now for parts that they have no idea where they came from or what 'specs' they may or may not have met... View Quote If you really believe that then your watching to many Heather Bartocci videos. |
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Originally Posted By Aaron56: None that EVER got recalled... View Quote As stated, Part variations were happening long before CZ came along.. Transfer of ownership had zero to do with the hammer recall bullshit. (No idea who decided that was a good idea/why it came to be). Certainly not the first mfgr to issue a voluntary recall though. It is amusing that folks get such a jolly over the fact that it was Colt's this round. "See, I told you all Colt is going downhill!!" |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: As stated, Part variations were happening long before CZ came along.. Transfer of ownership had zero to do with the hammer recall bullshit. (No idea who decided that was a good idea/why it came to be). Certainly not the first mfgr to issue a voluntary recall though. It is amusing that folks get such a jolly over the fact that it was Colt's this round. "See, I told you all Colt is going downhill!!" View Quote The hammer recall was an internal, precautionary decision that resulted from an isolated incident during testing of commercial production. Colt did not get a report from a consumer of an actual problem. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: The hammer recall was an internal, precautionary decision that resulted from an isolated incident during testing of commercial production. Colt did not get a report from a consumer of an actual problem. View Quote Any insight as to why the hammers were not the usual Schmid Tool, and did this contribute to the defect/s? |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: I don't know that information unfortunately. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Any insight as to why the hammers were not the usual Schmid Tool, and did this contribute to the defect/s? I don't know that information unfortunately. Thank you sir. |
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If you watch for deals you can own this for $1300 in multiple colors.
Attached File I'd pass on any Colt at the moment. Not due to the quality of thier rifles but due to the fact that the competition has passed Colt on both Value and "performance". Not a damn thing wrong with them, but when we can get Geissele, LWRC, BCMs and some DDs for 1300-1500 now, even $1200 for essentially a 6920 with a monolithic rail isn't your best bang for the buck. Hell the monolithic rail is more of a handicap now that we have multiple manufacturers offering Free Float rails that will hold zero repeatedly, take standard barrels and barrel nuts, and are not locked into a CLGS. I'd go as far to argue it's a poorer value than a standard CR6920. |
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Originally Posted By campower: If you watch for deals you can own this for $1300 in multiple colors. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/472175/20240102_135911_jpg-3095372.JPG I'd pass on any Colt at the moment. Not due to the quality of thier rifles but due to the fact that the competition has passed Colt on both Value and "performance". Not a damn thing wrong with them, but when we can get Geissele, LWRC, BCMs and some DDs for 1300-1500 now, even $1200 for essentially a 6920 with a monolithic rail isn't your best bang for the buck. Hell the monolithic rail is more of a handicap now that we have multiple manufacturers offering Free Float rails that will hold zero repeatedly, take standard barrels and barrel nuts, and are not locked into a CLGS. I'd go as far to argue it's a poorer value than a standard CR6920. View Quote Is that one of those 'super duty' rifles? Eta: are the parts sourced a 'standard parts' build. I might assume all in-house manufactured barrel, bcg, fcg, etc.? |
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USMC 85-'93 Amphibious YAT-YAS
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[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Is that one of those 'super duty' rifles? Eta: are the parts sourced a 'standard parts' build. I might assume all in-house manufactured barrel, bcg, fcg, etc.? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By campower: If you watch for deals you can own this for $1300 in multiple colors. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/472175/20240102_135911_jpg-3095372.JPG I'd pass on any Colt at the moment. Not due to the quality of thier rifles but due to the fact that the competition has passed Colt on both Value and "performance". Not a damn thing wrong with them, but when we can get Geissele, LWRC, BCMs and some DDs for 1300-1500 now, even $1200 for essentially a 6920 with a monolithic rail isn't your best bang for the buck. Hell the monolithic rail is more of a handicap now that we have multiple manufacturers offering Free Float rails that will hold zero repeatedly, take standard barrels and barrel nuts, and are not locked into a CLGS. I'd go as far to argue it's a poorer value than a standard CR6920. Is that one of those 'super duty' rifles? Eta: are the parts sourced a 'standard parts' build. I might assume all in-house manufactured barrel, bcg, fcg, etc.? For awhile Colt's sold both FDE/ bronze and green anodized 6920s. IIRC, they wore MOE furniture. ETA pic: Attached File |
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I wish Colt would do this rifle with Mid Length gas and handguard.
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"If your going through hell, keep going" Winston Churchill ...... and bring your AK-47
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Happiness is a warm gun,
Bang bang, shoot shoot. The Beatles Nov. 1968 |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: For awhile Colt's sold both FDE/ bronze and green anodized 6920s. IIRC, they wore MOE furniture. ETA pic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/wm_4014245_jpg-3095550.JPG View Quote Yes it is. Can't speak for Geissele, but I was under the assumption they are primarily made in house. Someone smarter than me can chime in. |
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Originally Posted By Aaron56: Dates and other such markings on my barrels for one thing. Or... Properly marked Schmid trigger parts and not some other random stuff from god knows where that ends up getting 'recalled' at a later date... They are not the same. FWIW - Many guys here were outraged when the Expanse stuff came out. Crying about the 'non-Colt' and 'outsourced' parts that came from wherever but now... That shit got real quiet didn't it! Like it or not, The Expanse stuff was generally closer to the regular Colt offerings at the time (AND sold at a discount compared to their 'LE series') than the CR series stuff is now. Guys happily paying full Colt price now for parts that they have no idea where they came from or what 'specs' they may or may not have met... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Aaron56: Dates and other such markings on my barrels for one thing. Or... Properly marked Schmid trigger parts and not some other random stuff from god knows where that ends up getting 'recalled' at a later date... They are not the same. FWIW - Many guys here were outraged when the Expanse stuff came out. Crying about the 'non-Colt' and 'outsourced' parts that came from wherever but now... That shit got real quiet didn't it! Like it or not, The Expanse stuff was generally closer to the regular Colt offerings at the time (AND sold at a discount compared to their 'LE series') than the CR series stuff is now. Guys happily paying full Colt price now for parts that they have no idea where they came from or what 'specs' they may or may not have met... Can someone in this thread explain to me what all the "S" stamps on the FCG parts of my post-CZ Colts mean? On a serious note, it's kind of funny to see people on this site complaining in 1911 threads that CZ has essentially changed nothing at Colt so production remains limited, while people over here complain about vaguely alluded to changes or make outright factually incorrect claims regarding "changes" in Colt AR's post acquisition. Originally Posted By campower: If you watch for deals you can own this for $1300 in multiple colors. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/472175/20240102_135911_jpg-3095372.JPG I'd pass on any Colt at the moment. Not due to the quality of thier rifles but due to the fact that the competition has passed Colt on both Value and "performance". Not a damn thing wrong with them, but when we can get Geissele, LWRC, BCMs and some DDs for 1300-1500 now, even $1200 for essentially a 6920 with a monolithic rail isn't your best bang for the buck. Hell the monolithic rail is more of a handicap now that we have multiple manufacturers offering Free Float rails that will hold zero repeatedly, take standard barrels and barrel nuts, and are not locked into a CLGS. I'd go as far to argue it's a poorer value than a standard CR6920. I will take the 6940 upper over one of Bendy Bill's multicolored extrusions for mounting aiming devices any day of the week. A Colt midlength gun with a Centurion rail is under $1000, and you're looking at North of $2k for a rifle with a monolithic upper from LMT. That said, what I really want is a midlength Colt MRR. |
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Originally Posted By AK-12: That said, what I really want is a midlength Colt MRR. View Quote The patent expires in 2026. One can only hope we see an MRR then... I loved the IUR uppers I had in terms of the monolithic upper but the profile and heat retention wasn't great with the factory HBARs. I missed my chance to score an MRR before Trudeau went full retard. |
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Originally Posted By Aaron56: Dates and other such markings on my barrels for one thing. Or... Properly marked Schmid trigger parts and not some other random stuff from god knows where that ends up getting 'recalled' at a later date... They are not the same. FWIW - Many guys here were outraged when the Expanse stuff came out. Crying about the 'non-Colt' and 'outsourced' parts that came from wherever but now... That shit got real quiet didn't it! Like it or not, The Expanse stuff was generally closer to the regular Colt offerings at the time (AND sold at a discount compared to their 'LE series') than the CR series stuff is now. Guys happily paying full Colt price now for parts that they have no idea where they came from or what 'specs' they may or may not have met... View Quote LOL CZ saved colt and the quality has drastically improved since the take over. |
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U.S. Army Retired. 2001 - 2023
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