Colt M4 Commando Lowers Back In Stock (Page 2 of 6)
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Originally Posted By Bret: The price went from $1,799 to $1,499 and now up to $1,999. https://i.postimg.cc/PfKKFPrB/commando.png It would still be interesting to know whether or not the SBR's are actually factory SBR's or if they were upper and lower halves that were put together by AU. The following link from the AFT NFA handbook doesn't reflect the latest changes to US Code, but any changes since publication are probably more strict than they were previously. CHAPTER 7. MANUFACTURING NFA FIREARMS |
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I purchased a Colt LE901-16SE AU. The ad said nothing about it being assembled by AU. When it showed up, it was missing the bolt stop and wasn't in the factory box. I called Colt and they confirmed that the lower had left the factory as parts. AU did the right thing and took it back and refunded my money. I learned right then that you can make no assumptions about AU's listings, even if they're showing you what appears to be a complete factory-built rifle. Here's another SBR listing for a LE6930 that I'm pretty sure isn't a factory-built SBR. I don't know about the legalities of it, but I'm confident they know what they're doing in that regard. https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m4-cqc-556-semi-auto-rifle-10-barrel/  Of course, all AU has to do is provide all the detailed facts to clarify things, but they don't seem to do that on their website or even here in this thread. They seem to be focusing on collectors, so they know details are important. I've asked twice if these Commando marked SBR's were factory-built and have not received an answer. They have what appear to be really cool offerings, but you have to be skeptical if you want to be sure you're getting what you're paying for. Since they are offering factory SBR Commando lower halves, I would think that they would have had to have left the factory as complete SBR's, but I don't even know that for sure. Therefore, I won't assume anything. If I get one, I want the proper factory box and everything. In my opinion, a factory SBR is worth more than one that's put together outside of the factory. All this doesn't even get into the price bouncing all around like a pingpong ball, which just seem odd. |
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Originally Posted By Bret: I purchased a Colt LE901-16SE AU. The ad said nothing about it being assembled by AU. When it showed up, it was missing the bolt stop and wasn't in the factory box. I called Colt and they confirmed that the lower had left the factory as parts. AU did the right thing and took it back and refunded my money. I learned right then that you can make no assumptions about AU's listings, even if they're showing you what appears to be a complete factory-built rifle. Here's another SBR listing for a LE6930 that I'm pretty sure isn't a factory-built SBR. I don't know about the legalities of it, but I'm confident they know what they're doing in that regard. https://armsunlimited.com/colt-m4-cqc-556-semi-auto-rifle-10-barrel/ https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-6faujhppx4/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/1668/3315/signal-2024-05-24-110320_005__04706.1716586736.jpg?c=1 Of course, all AU has to do is provide all the detailed facts to clarify things, but they don't seem to do that on their website or even here in this thread. They seem to be focusing on collectors, so they know details are important. I've asked twice if these Commando marked SBR's were factory-built and have not received an answer. They have what appear to be really cool offerings, but you have to be skeptical if you want to be sure you're getting what you're paying for. Since they are offering factory SBR Commando lower halves, I would think that they would have had to have left the factory as complete SBR's, but I don't even know that for sure. Therefore, I won't assume anything. If I get one, I want the proper factory box and everything. In my opinion, a factory SBR is worth more than one that's put together outside of the factory. All this doesn't even get into the price bouncing all around like a pingpong ball, which just seem odd. |
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Originally Posted By Bret: I purchased a Colt LE901-16SE AU. The ad said nothing about it being assembled by AU. When it showed up, it was missing the bolt stop and wasn't in the factory box. I called Colt and they confirmed that the lower had left the factory as parts. AU did the right thing and took it back and refunded my money. I learned right then that you can make no assumptions about AU's listings, even if they're showing you what appears to be a complete factory-built rifle. I don’t remember all the details but something very similar happened to a member on here with a 6940 series rifle. |
| I've had the same situation as Bret and feel the same way about getting the "whole package" from a collector's view. I've ordered alot of cool stuff from AU, and 99% all arrived just great as I had expected. I will continue to order from them, but I just hope I don't get a repeat of that one. |
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I'll address your concerns. ArmsUnlimited is a type 10 manufacturer that is very familiar with all ATF NFA regulations, this type of licensing allows us to manufacture or simply reconfigure rifle configurations. At least 4 of AU's employees have been certified through Colt's armorer training and are more than qualified to install an upper receiver on a lower receiver. Yes, sometimes we reconfigure rifles using Colt factory lowers and Colt factory uppers to create and offer products that are not available on the normal catalogs but do exist in international or military catalogs and we can only make it happen through some creativity + serious digging at Colt to build out the configurations that otherwise aren't built except for export/etc. The lower receivers are exclusive to AU and all NFA paperwork properly reflects the status of the firearm as a short barrel rifle manufactured by Colt, if you order an NFA item. And finally, please, stop calling them halves! For some reason it just sounds so wrong |
| Daniel, Thank you very much for the clarifications. Please just put all that information in the listings on your website. It will help eliminate confusion and people having to be skeptical. It will help build customer confidence and loyalty. If a rifle isn't factory built, definitely say so in the listing. I have no doubt that the professionals at AU can assemble them, but from a collector standpoint it does make a difference. We collectors do love our factory-built rifles and factory boxes. Of course, we also love getting the configurations that AU offers that we can't get from the factory, so there's no shame in telling us that either. |
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Pics lacking details. Misleading information. Vague descriptions and cryptic responses. Same old AU. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Pics lacking details. Misleading information. Vague descriptions and cryptic responses. Same old AU. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/download_png-3322518.JPG So has anyone been able to confirm these lowers have selector stops? If not guess I’ll call Monday |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Anyone got their Commando lower yet? If so did it have scuffs in the finish? Hate to nit-pick but if ya pay a premium and buy it as a collector piece it should be perfect. Will see what AU says. First I want to say that my reply isn't meant to sound snarky or like an ass. I'm just making a statement of fact. Statement: Nothing comes off of Colt's production line pristine and perfect. If that is anybodies requirement for a satisfactory product, Colt is not the product for you. I have bought 30+ Colts since 2017 and don't have a 'perfect' gun in the bunch. I'm ok with that, but I don't expect everyone else to be. But, as stated, a perfect, pristine lower/gun is not a thing. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: First I want to say that my reply isn't meant to sound snarky or like an ass. I'm just making a statement of fact. Statement: Nothing comes off of Colt's production line pristine and perfect. If that is anybodies requirement for a satisfactory product, Colt is not the product for you. I have bought 30+ Colts since 2017 and don't have a 'perfect' gun in the bunch. I'm ok with that, but I don't expect everyone else to be. But, as stated, a perfect, pristine lower/gun is not a thing. Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Anyone got their Commando lower yet? If so did it have scuffs in the finish? Hate to nit-pick but if ya pay a premium and buy it as a collector piece it should be perfect. Will see what AU says. First I want to say that my reply isn't meant to sound snarky or like an ass. I'm just making a statement of fact. Statement: Nothing comes off of Colt's production line pristine and perfect. If that is anybodies requirement for a satisfactory product, Colt is not the product for you. I have bought 30+ Colts since 2017 and don't have a 'perfect' gun in the bunch. I'm ok with that, but I don't expect everyone else to be. But, as stated, a perfect, pristine lower/gun is not a thing.  |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: First I want to say that my reply isn't meant to sound snarky or like an ass. I'm just making a statement of fact. Statement: Nothing comes off of Colt's production line pristine and perfect. If that is anybodies requirement for a satisfactory product, Colt is not the product for you. I have bought 30+ Colts since 2017 and don't have a 'perfect' gun in the bunch. I'm ok with that, but I don't expect everyone else to be. But, as stated, a perfect, pristine lower/gun is not a thing. I can understand that. AU pretty much said the same thing. Been a while since I bought a new Colt but I remember the 6940 I got years ago being pretty nice. |
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Originally Posted By grondike: Yep. Look at the O and L on the Colt rollmark of the original Commando that OP put on the first page. Mine is the same. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/331313/IMG_73551_JPG-3307716.JPG Originally Posted By grondike: Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Anyone got their Commando lower yet? If so did it have scuffs in the finish? Hate to nit-pick but if ya pay a premium and buy it as a collector piece it should be perfect. Will see what AU says. First I want to say that my reply isn't meant to sound snarky or like an ass. I'm just making a statement of fact. Statement: Nothing comes off of Colt's production line pristine and perfect. If that is anybodies requirement for a satisfactory product, Colt is not the product for you. I have bought 30+ Colts since 2017 and don't have a 'perfect' gun in the bunch. I'm ok with that, but I don't expect everyone else to be. But, as stated, a perfect, pristine lower/gun is not a thing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/331313/IMG_73551_JPG-3307716.JPG All of us from that time period got in on those fancy roll stamps.  Attached File |
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Originally Posted By grondike: AU can't legally take just take random Colt lowers and uppers, slap them together and sell them as short barrel rifles without jumping through some hoops. I'm pretty sure they're factory SBRs, otherwise they would have to be 'manufactured' by a Type 7 FFL (AU or some other 3rd party) and registered with the ATF on a Form 2. From my understanding, the 'manufacturer' also has to engrave their own markings even when they start with an existing firearm, similar to what any of us have to do when we 'make' a SBR on a Form 1. The following link from the AFT NFA handbook doesn't reflect the latest changes to US Code, but any changes since publication are probably more strict than they were previously. CHAPTER 7. MANUFACTURING NFA FIREARMS No maker markings need to be engraved if the item has never been in commercial circulation. So if AU takes delivery of a bunch of Colt lowers shipped to them directly from Colt, then AU registers SBRs via a form2, they don’t have to engrave anything. |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: All of us from that time period got in on those fancy roll stamps. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20240915_170935_Gallery_jpg-3323404.JPG After extended use of the die, pieces of the die started break off. Result in the incomplete letters or weak logo etc. My United States Froperty Colt WWII 
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Originally Posted By mlin: After extended use of the die, pieces of the die started break off. Result in the incomplete letters or weak logo etc. My United States Froperty Colt WWII https://i.imgur.com/r8ETGJi.jpg Originally Posted By mlin: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: All of us from that time period got in on those fancy roll stamps. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20240915_170935_Gallery_jpg-3323404.JPG After extended use of the die, pieces of the die started break off. Result in the incomplete letters or weak logo etc. My United States Froperty Colt WWII https://i.imgur.com/r8ETGJi.jpg Yeah, the roll die was at end of life. |
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Originally Posted By Bret: The price on the Commando SBR has gone back to $1,499. So that's $1,799 to $1,499 to $1,999 to $1,499, unless I missed something. They have Commando marked lowers which are the higher prices. They also have m4/carbine marked ‘commando’ models (short barrel) for the cheaper price |
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Originally Posted By aeyoung:They have Commando marked lowers which are the higher prices. They also have m4/carbine marked ‘commando’ models (short barrel) for the cheaper price The prices I'm referencing above are all for the SBR's with Commando marked lowers. The ones with Carbine marked lowers have been $1,099 during this same time period. |
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Originally Posted By 2ndAmendmentMason: I’m trying to figure out how to post a pic of my Commando that came in last week, but can’t figure it out! They have bayo lug and selector stops. Postimages.org makes it almost too easy. |
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Originally Posted By 2ndAmendmentMason: Thank you for the heads up, TGWLDR! Originally Posted By 2ndAmendmentMason: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Postimages.org makes it almost too easy. Thank you for the heads up, TGWLDR! 
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| Last thing I needed was another AR lower , but at $500.00 couldn’t resist.Though I had purchased three of the bare commando lowers at a much lower price when they were available years ago .So I will throw in the safe for now till my next build |
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Originally Posted By securenet: I guess I will cave in and will need to get one at that price. Originally Posted By securenet: Originally Posted By aeyoung: Well they are blowing these out at $500 now….. that’s sucks seeing what I paid a month ago… I guess I will cave in and will need to get one at that price. Yeah I’m in for two. |
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Originally Posted By DuneShoot: This price really saures past customers. Originally Posted By DuneShoot: Originally Posted By aeyoung: Well they are blowing these out at $500 now .. that's sucks seeing what I paid a month ago
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Smoking deals. Yesterday for Black Friday I bought one IAR upper at 1300 and one M4 Commando SBR lower at 500. I'd buy multiples of the IAR upper if I had more funds. I almost bought the same IAR upper from GB for tripple that price earlier this year for my transferable A2. If they're not sold out by Wednesday when I get paid, I'm going to buy multiples. -Voya |
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