Posted: 8/23/2010 7:48:20 AM EDT
| Hey CMMG, when is the forward assist insert going to be available seperatly, as I'd like to retrofit my existing CMMG conversions. don't need the frame, just the insert, I'm quite capable of notching the existing frame. |
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Sorry, we are not selling the insert by itself. I requires work to the frame and the bolt. It will only be sold with the kit. Quote by CMMG in other thread "The FAA is attached to the bolt itself. It does not move freely to the rear independent of the bolt. We are looking at several different materials for this and our other plastic products. We have been looking very closely at 30% glass filled Ultem. We should have this nailed down in the next three weeks. Whatever plastic we use, it will hold up to repeated use and abuse. We will also produce and offer a steel version. We will be offering a the FAA/Frame combo by themselves and on select models. The notched frame will not be standard on all models. The FAA is not for everyone, and the extra cost isn't worth it. We will continue to sell our standard 4135 and SST as well as upgraded models with differing features." another CMMG quote "It will work on the spikes and others. You will simply retrofit our frame and install the forward assist adapter.......When buying a complete kit with the polymer FAA it will only add $10. We will offer a frame and FAA for $35......" So I guess you had a change of heart and realized you can make more money by requiring people to ditch their existing units and buy new instead of upgrading existing units. I guess I should all just wait until you are done with all the changes before I buy another conversion kit. Sure glad I just ordered four new flat top uppers with forward assist in anticipation of being able to retrofit with the forward assist adapter. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Sorry, we are not selling the insert by itself. I requires work to the frame and the bolt. It will only be sold with the kit. CMMG quote... We will be offering a the FAA/Frame combo by themselves and on select models. another CMMMG quote "It will work on the spikes and others. You will simply retrofit our frame and install the forward assist adapter.......When buying a complete kit with the polymer FAA it will only add $10. We will offer a frame and FAA for $35......" a new one to quote  These plans(see red) went out the window when the forward assist self destructed after 3,000 rds. By attaching it to the bolt, there was no longer a problem. Unfortunately the forward assist cannot be sold as an upgrade and still be economical. Also, to ensure best possible performance, we are doing additional testing to ensure customers won't have issue with binding. This is best accomplished by testing a completed kit. |
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We never planned on offering the FAA piece by it self initially, as it absolutely requires modified frame, it did from day one. Our most recent testing has shown that unless we modify the bolt as well the durability of the adapter was going to be an major issue. |
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Unfortunately the forward assist cannot be sold as an upgrade and still be economical. Also, to ensure best possible performance, we are doing additional testing to ensure customers won't have issue with binding. This is best accomplished by testing a completed kit. So, we can't count on sending in our dedicated bolt kits from the current Quebec A rifle and getting it upgraded to the FA. I guess I jumped the gun and bought too soon. Can we get a discount on a whole new FA bolt assembly for a trade-in of our soon-to-be obselete bolt? Maybe a FA function is overrated and not really necessary on a .22LR, but it would have been nice to have. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Unfortunately the forward assist cannot be sold as an upgrade and still be economical. Also, to ensure best possible performance, we are doing additional testing to ensure customers won't have issue with binding. This is best accomplished by testing a completed kit. So, we can't count on sending in our dedicated bolt kits from the current Quebec A rifle and getting it upgraded to the FA. I guess I jumped the gun and bought too soon. Can we get a discount on a whole new FA bolt assembly for a trade-in of our soon-to-be obselete bolt? Maybe a FA function is overrated and not really necessary on a .22LR, but it would have been nice to have. We are having a pow wow on what to do about those wanting to do a trade up. The problem is the resale of a used or reconditioned kit. We have been discussing it to see what options we can come up with. |
| I realize you redesigned the bolt to increase longevity of the fwd assist insert, but what was wrong with one that only lasted 3,000 round that you quoted, if the insert was only $10 they would still be cheap enough to replace every few years, heck a lot of people never put 3000 rounds through a rifle in a lifetime and its a lot cheaper than having to replace the whole kit to get forward assist, or better yet make the insert out of steel so it won't self destruct after 3000 rounds. As I'm sure, if a Ceiner anti bounce weight can survive the reciprocation for a life time in full auto with all that free play, then a steel forward assist insert with no free play should last equally well if not better. |
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We are having a pow wow on what to do about those wanting to do a trade up. The problem is the resale of a used or reconditioned kit. We have been discussing it to see what options we can come up with. Please report back ASAP... I really want the FA and was going to rely on being able to add it on later after buying. |
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We may have come up with a solution that will allow us to sell a frame/forward assist insert as originally planned. It looks like we may be able to reinforce the adapter in a way that will allow function with an unmodified bolt. We have been beating it to a pulp over the last couple days without issue. This looks promising. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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We may have come up with a solution that will allow us to sell a frame/forward assist insert as originally planned. It looks like we may be able to reinforce the adapter in a way that will allow function with an unmodified bolt. We have been beating it to a pulp over the last couple days without issue. This looks promising. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile EXCELLENT. Tagging with fingers crossed for retrofit part. 
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We may have come up with a solution that will allow us to sell a frame/forward assist insert as originally planned. It looks like we may be able to reinforce the adapter in a way that will allow function with an unmodified bolt. We have been beating it to a pulp over the last couple days without issue. This looks promising. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Please... oh pretty please make it work.... I want a functioning FAA for my stainless bolt in my Quebec A that I just bought a couple of months ago. Give us an update... Are you still beating it to a pulp everyday without problems? |
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Your Bargan bin for Pre Evo kits & Bits & pieces (Used & unmodified or various stages of Recondition & configuration) would be a HIT for spares or Beginners ... Wish somthing like that existed for WASR 22 & other Romanian rimfire AKM variants . You will be happy to know that we have a universal AK conversion kit with barrel liner prototyped. We also just finished the patent paperwork on a PS90 conversion kit. Lots and lots of cool stuff on the horizon. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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We may have come up with a solution that will allow us to sell a frame/forward assist insert as originally planned. It looks like we may be able to reinforce the adapter in a way that will allosw function with an unmodified bolt. We have been beating it to a pulp over the last couple days without issue. This looks promising. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Please... oh pretty please make it work.... I want a functioning FAA for my stainless bolt in my Quebec A that I just bought a couple of months ago. Give us an update... Are you still beating it to a pulp everyday without problems? Still going strong. It is looking promising. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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You will be happy to know that we have a universal AK conversion kit with barrel liner prototyped. We also just finished the patent paperwork on a PS90 conversion kit. Lots and lots of cool stuff on the horizon. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile OMG An AK Kit... I would love to test that prototype... :D |
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Your Bargan bin for Pre Evo kits & Bits & pieces (Used & unmodified or various stages of Recondition & configuration) would be a HIT for spares or Beginners ... Wish somthing like that existed for WASR 22 & other Romanian rimfire AKM variants . You will be happy to know that we have a universal AK conversion kit with barrel liner prototyped. We also just finished the patent paperwork on a PS90 conversion kit. Lots and lots of cool stuff on the horizon. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My WASR 22 could sure use different Bolt/spring/blowback internals but the .22 barrel is fine, will your AK unit /kit be barrel variable or just for 7.62x39 ?? |
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Your Bargan bin for Pre Evo kits & Bits & pieces (Used & unmodified or various stages of Recondition & configuration) would be a HIT for spares or Beginners ... Wish somthing like that existed for WASR 22 & other Romanian rimfire AKM variants . You will be happy to know that we have a universal AK conversion kit with barrel liner prototyped. We also just finished the patent paperwork on a PS90 conversion kit. Lots and lots of cool stuff on the horizon. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My WASR 22 could sure use different Bolt/spring/blowback internals but the .22 barrel is fine, will your AK unit /kit be barrel variable or just for 7.62x39 ?? I second that. |
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Quoted: We will also do a 5.56 compatible with an AR style chamber adapter.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your Bargan bin for Pre Evo kits & Bits & pieces (Used & unmodified or various stages of Recondition & configuration) would be a HIT for spares or Beginners ... Wish somthing like that existed for WASR 22 & other Romanian rimfire AKM variants . You will be happy to know that we have a universal AK conversion kit with barrel liner prototyped. We also just finished the patent paperwork on a PS90 conversion kit. Lots and lots of cool stuff on the horizon. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My WASR 22 could sure use different Bolt/spring/blowback internals but the .22 barrel is fine, will your AK unit /kit be barrel variable or just for 7.62x39 ?? I second that. |
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We may have come up with a solution that will allow us to sell a frame/forward assist insert as originally planned. It looks like we may be able to reinforce the adapter in a way that will allosw function with an unmodified bolt. We have been beating it to a pulp over the last couple days without issue. This looks promising. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Please... oh pretty please make it work.... I want a functioning FAA for my stainless bolt in my Quebec A that I just bought a couple of months ago. Give us an update... Are you still beating it to a pulp everyday without problems? Still going strong. It is looking promising. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hey CMMG... What's the latest developments on the add-on FA insert? Still taking a licking and keeping on ticking? |
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Hey CMMG... What's the latest developments on the add-on FA insert? Still taking a licking and keeping on ticking? I have one and it works well... I always like hitting the FA after doing a press check. Put ~500-600 rounds down range last week with it. |
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Quoted: CMMG.... what's the latest on the add-on insert FA? Does it still look like it can be done? We are still back and forth on it. We installed a roll pin to keep it in place better. We need one that is adjustable up and down for drop ins due to variations in the tolerances. Still trying. |
| If you made it slightly oversize, wouldn't it be a case of simply sliding the insert back and forth on a piece of sand paper until the desired clearance is met, as lots of parts are sold as " slight ajustment may be required" It wouldn't take much sanding to get a desired fit. I for one would be up to a little fitting for my individual units. |
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If you made it slightly oversize, wouldn't it be a case of simply sliding the insert back and forth on a piece of sand paper until the desired clearance is met, as lots of parts are sold as " slight ajustment may be required" It wouldn't take much sanding to get a desired fit. I for one would be up to a little fitting for my individual units. If we get a set screw to consistently work we will consider selling the insert and frame combo as originally planned. I won't put out something that will require fitting. It has been our experience that that will work against us over time. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I can say from testing with CMMG, they're gonna go the extra mile to insure that they have
the most trouble free product that's humanly possible. I really respect that. They won't offer a product without feeling very good that it will work and be trouble free. I did a good amount of testing with their new product line and came away feeling confident they have a great product. They went even further in testing extensively on their own so everyone can buy with confidence.. Spec |
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It is. In addition we also have been testing the steel version. Just want to make sure there are no issues going to market. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Thanks for the update. I am patiently waiting for this to come out. Not me! I'm "impatiently" waiting for it to come out. 
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