Posted: 4/12/2015 2:54:05 PM EDT
| I have an 18" tObr, and wanted to know everyones opinion on the best glass and what your experience is with it. |
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The VCOG is great for less precise shooting. My dad really likes it for shooting steel, as he says it's just easy.
Have a Schmidt Bender 5-25x56with h59 but truthfully my friend has a bushnell hdmr on his tOBR and its optical clarity size and magnification range is down right impressive. Seen an hdmr on equpment exchange for under $1k or just get one from LT with a mount. |
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I've got the premier heritage 5-25 and couldn't be happier with it. If you can find one they are worth springing for. Premier is now Tangent Theata! Yeah I was talking about finding a used premier, unless you can spring for a TT. |
| I have run Nightforce 3.5-15 F-1's on all of mine and have thought they are a good magnification range and very tough. As good as those are the new ATACR 4-16 should be even better. Other than that you might check out the Kahles 3-12 which should be out soon. the new one has a left side windage, illumination and a top mounted parallax. MSR reticle is hard to beat if you prefer mils. |
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I went through the same quest a year ago as you. I found that the age of the design of the scope to be extremely important. Optics design advances are fairly fast. Think of it like this, the ACOG was designed in the 1990's, back when a 1-4x scope wasn't even a possibility unless you were willing to drop a couple month's pay on a S&B. The complexity of design and manufacturing precluded most manufacturers from waisting money designing a scope like this. Fast forward to the mid 2000's and you have a small influx of 1-4x scopes, and today you have a litteral grab bag of these types of optics.
This is just an example, but computer assisted design has really improved optics like few other places in the firearms industry. Reduction in glare, starbursts, optical anomalies can all be done in a computer now and optimized before production. And the proliferation of CNC machines has driven down the cost of increasingly more complex designs, meaning manufacturers are now more likely to give their engineers extra freedom to actually take advantage of these new capabilities. I'd be willing to put a $100 Premier 1-4x scope against any 1970's glass and expect results within spitting distance of each other. That's an extreme example, but the premise holds water. Take the Bushnell Elite series...incredible glass for the money. That scope line would have been world premier glass if it was 10y ago, costing many more thousands of dollars. But times change. All this is being said to make you look at these older designs and question what advancements we have had since then. The ACOG was nice for 1992, but today you can get better results for FAR less money. And if that's the budget you have, you can get so much more performance for that money via looking at newer designs. I'd be looking at the Bushnell Elite lines, the Vortex Viper and Razor HD lines, and the Leupold Tactical lines for great durable bang for your buck optics (probably more too, but that's what I have gravitated towards). |
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Like the Bushnell DMR 3.5-21 I have on my M-1A, thinking about getting another one to put on my 7.62 TOBR.... I'm using the ERS version of the HDMR and while happy with it, I"m really considering stepping up to one of the new ATACR F1's before the end of the year. Would've already had one on order, but my currently jailed can took precedence. 
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Interestingly I had ordered another ACOG TA31RCO-M4 from LaRue and cancelled as it was on back order. I saw this thread and decided I might want to look a little bit more into this topic before spending 1500.00 on Old School Technology.
I have a tOBR 5.56 on order, 18" barrel, and am trying to figure out which route to go. IF anyone has this rifle and this barrel length, I would be interested in what you chose and why. On one of my first rifles (DPMS LR308, I had settled on a Super Sniper) it seemed decent at the time and I loved the price....The rifle had come with an NCSTAR on top...which...sucked.... So the SWFA SS 10x42 was a godsend! On my Savage 10FP-SR I have a Viper Vortex, which I really liked...That said, I honestly don't have much time on it...Ammo being the largest limiting factor. On my Adams Upper based build (Piston AR), I swapped the EO Tech 552 for the ACOG last weekend to Zero and Finally get it dialed in, and had a blast. But that was indoors and 100yards. SO when I ordered the LaRUE rifle, I immediately thought it would be a great fit. Sorry If I am rambling...My goal is something less costly than the ACOG TA31RCO, but with the durability of a tactical scope (in case my life ever depends on it, which is why I like the ACOG), but will serve it's purpose during both indoor and outdoor shooting. I welcome any opinions and suggestions. Thank you in advance for your thoughts on this matter! |
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I have been doing a TREMENDOUS amount of reading about scopes and glass for the AR platform, and man are the decisions and opinions wide and far. It seams to me one of the better options is still the ACOG TA31RCO-M4....Reason being...The 5.56 is really a short to medium range cartridge, which is where the ACOG excels. Apart from zooming into targets with a scope, the ACOG handles QCB and Medium range needs. Now, I am not in that category...so...As a potential SHTF scope it really does make alot of sense....and well, since we are not in that scenario at the present moment, it makes sense to familiarize myself with that scope and become proficient in those scenarios.
Has anyone used ACOGS exclusively in Three Gun...Which I may be looking into fairly soon. Seems like a great way to get training that would/could be useful while having an element of sport to it! As always thank you for your opinions. |
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I have this exact ACOG mounted on my LWRC 6.8mm SPC. It is a great scope - built like a tank, great glass and great reticle. However, it has horrendous eye relief. If you can't get your chin up against the charging handle, it is poor. It also doesn't have great FOV and it is fixed power which is both a curse and blessing. I just got (1 month ago) tOBR 5.556mm. On this one, I mounted my US Optics SN-4...It is also rugged (maybe not ACOG but way better than most). However, clearer image, much more eye relief and it is variable power which really helps with scanning. The FOV is amazing. It is a little heavy for what it is but don't notice it when mounted on the rifle. If I wanted another ACOG, I would look at either the TA11 or the TA33 as they have all the benefits of the TA31 but much better eye relief. BR, |
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I have a Bushnell XRS 4.5-30 and couldn't be happier. Clarity is great and the thing tracks rock solid. Embarrassingly I've dropped it a couple times as well once on concrete from about 3.5 feet and once on the steel edge of my guncase from about 2 with no ill effects.
I shoot from 100 to 1000 with it regularly. The HDMR G2 reticle is also very easy to use.... and use well. After 25 things start to get dimmer but its not that bad. |
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Price range, caliber, and application would get you better recommendations. Otherwise my default answer would be the S&B PMII. Well, I ordered than cancelled (due to Backorder) the ACOG M4...So that price range is ok($1466.00 from LT with the QD mount) ....this will be put on a LaRue PredatOBR 5.56 with an 18" barrel....QC to Midrange distances, and I have a budding interest in 3GUN, so if there is a suggestion that works in that realm that would be great. BTW, I have a very early (infancy) understanding of 3GUN so far, but I like what I have discovered and will be looking at going down that road! |
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Well, I ordered than cancelled (due to Backorder) the ACOG M4...So that price range is ok($1466.00 from LT with the QD mount) ....this will be put on a LaRue PredatOBR 5.56 with an 18" barrel....QC to Midrange distances, and I have a budding interest in 3GUN, so if there is a suggestion that works in that realm that would be great. BTW, I have a very early (infancy) understanding of 3GUN so far, but I like what I have discovered and will be looking at going down that road! Quoted:
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Price range, caliber, and application would get you better recommendations. Otherwise my default answer would be the S&B PMII. Well, I ordered than cancelled (due to Backorder) the ACOG M4...So that price range is ok($1466.00 from LT with the QD mount) ....this will be put on a LaRue PredatOBR 5.56 with an 18" barrel....QC to Midrange distances, and I have a budding interest in 3GUN, so if there is a suggestion that works in that realm that would be great. BTW, I have a very early (infancy) understanding of 3GUN so far, but I like what I have discovered and will be looking at going down that road! I would recommend looking at variable 1-4 or 1-6... leaning more towards a 1-6. There are a quite a few options in your price range. LT has the Bushnell 1-6.5 SMRS as a combo for about $1400. Another 5 bills will get you a USO SR4C. The low range Leupolds are cheaper and quite decent but not true 1x. The list goes on... Accupoint, XTR II, K-dot, etc. Even more stuff available if you look outside LTs optic/mount combos. If I were setting up a 3-gun rifle, it'd be wearing a Swaro Z6i. Basically... it's worth it to research a light variable that give you a true 1x at the bottom. I'd only recommend the ACOG if you already know you can burn it down with the BAC reticle. |
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I would recommend looking at variable 1-4 or 1-6... leaning more towards a 1-6. There are a quite a few options in your price range. LT has the Bushnell 1-6.5 SMRS as a combo for about $1400. Another 5 bills will get you a USO SR4C. The low range Leupolds are cheaper and quite decent but not true 1x. The list goes on... Accupoint, XTR II, K-dot, etc. Even more stuff available if you look outside LTs optic/mount combos. If I were setting up a 3-gun rifle, it'd be wearing a Swaro Z6i. Basically... it's worth it to research a light variable that give you a true 1x at the bottom. I'd only recommend the ACOG if you already know you can burn it down with the BAC reticle. Quoted:
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Price range, caliber, and application would get you better recommendations. Otherwise my default answer would be the S&B PMII. Well, I ordered than cancelled (due to Backorder) the ACOG M4...So that price range is ok($1466.00 from LT with the QD mount) ....this will be put on a LaRue PredatOBR 5.56 with an 18" barrel....QC to Midrange distances, and I have a budding interest in 3GUN, so if there is a suggestion that works in that realm that would be great. BTW, I have a very early (infancy) understanding of 3GUN so far, but I like what I have discovered and will be looking at going down that road! I would recommend looking at variable 1-4 or 1-6... leaning more towards a 1-6. There are a quite a few options in your price range. LT has the Bushnell 1-6.5 SMRS as a combo for about $1400. Another 5 bills will get you a USO SR4C. The low range Leupolds are cheaper and quite decent but not true 1x. The list goes on... Accupoint, XTR II, K-dot, etc. Even more stuff available if you look outside LTs optic/mount combos. If I were setting up a 3-gun rifle, it'd be wearing a Swaro Z6i. Basically... it's worth it to research a light variable that give you a true 1x at the bottom. I'd only recommend the ACOG if you already know you can burn it down with the BAC reticle. Ah..Thank you for the fast reply..I am and have been researching....My head actually hurts....For the time being I am going to move my ACOG over from another rifle to get familiar with my new rifle, and take some time to keep looking...That said, if anyone continues to make suggestions, I will eagerly investigate everything thrown my way. I love this sport...My wallet doesn't but I do!!! |
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Mine is a 16" 762. Bench and prone is how I shoot. 4.5-4.5-27 gen 2 Razor. And its amazing. I wasnt paying 35 for another Schmidt. And honestly I prefer the razor straight up. +1 I picked up one of these 4.5x27 Gen 2s a couple months ago...so far I am really impressed... The damn thing is built like a tank...and I feel the glass is as good or better than my 2 NF optics. If weight is an issue for u tho this is probably NOT your optic...its a tad heavy.... |