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2/6/2012 5:28:28 PM EDT
Greetings all...
Am I correct that the LT 152 will hold the Aimpoint PRO in a true co-witness position, and that the LT150 will be lower 1/3?  Thanks in advance for the help!

ETA: I am using regular Troy folding iron sights on a flat top AR.
2/6/2012 11:24:45 PM EDT
[#1]
No, the LT152 is lower than true co-witness.  It's meant to go on the Knights RASII rail to provide lower 1/3 co-witness.

The LT150 and LT129 are lower 1/3
2/7/2012 6:26:02 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks...so is there no Larue mount for a true co-witness with Aimpoint sights?
2/7/2012 6:41:31 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Thanks...so is there no Larue mount for a true co-witness with Aimpoint sights?


Short answer is....not for that particular optic.

Here are your choices.



Time to dust this off...

So, Why Lower 1/3?

Since most LaRue red-dot mounts are lower 1/3, we get asked this all the time. The short answer is...it was "by request".
The long explanation is, it's really all about reducing clutter, and always being ready.

Our Aimpoint and EOTech mounts are optimally designed for weapon systems that run with fixed sights or BUIS's deployed in the upright position. Since it takes time to deploy flip-up irons, we here at LaRue (and many instructors) recommend you operate with the irons upright when possible.

Chances are, if you actually need your irons, you're getting pretty busy, with at least one threat occupying your attention. Keeping them up, but out of the way, is the best of both worlds. Our lower-1/3 design keeps those irons out of the way, until they are needed.

Clutter in you field of view (FOV) isn't a good thing...with respect to the popular T1 micro, an upright rear sight can optically cover roughly 50% of the FOV. You can cover the front of an Aimpoint all you want, and still use the sight (keeping both eyes open), but covering the rear obstructs both target and reticle. (see the pic below).



Years ago, I was at a carbine class where the student next to me was noticeably lagging-behind during the live-fire drills. The instructor asked what the issue was, he said he was having problems "precisely lining-up the irons with the EOTech reticle"....and the cluttered view made it "hard to find the target". He wasn't super slow, just slightly slower than everyone else. After we removed his irons, and he almost instantly shot faster when given an unobstructed view, and began using the reticle the way it was intended. It wasn't the last time I observed this behavior.

"What about my cheek weld?"
Well...cheek weld is one of the most important factors that provide successful results when precision shooting. Especially when using high-magnification...We make several different mount heights for rifle scopes that keep that issue in mind.

That being said, cheek weld with a non-magnified red-dot optic (like an Aimpoint or an EOTech) is marginally more important than proper cheek weld with an aiming laser. Generally speaking, if you see the reticle, you're operational. Most people find the cheek weld with our mounts for these optics to be more than adequate, and the shift to the lower 1/3 for irons is minimal and intuitive.

Keep in mind, Aimpoints and EOTechs are intended to be used while in a variety of firing positions, many of which have little, or no cheek weld. If you are concentrating on cheek weld too much, you are not using the technology to it's fullest.
Hope all this helps clarify...

Even when you use the lower-1/3 method, the dot can be used "centered" in the tube. When both irons and dot zeroed, you can hit any target you can put the dot on, anywhere in the viewing area...independent of the irons. When you shift your eye position to the irons, the dot will follow (unless you turn the unit off).



As you move your head, and keep the weapon steady, the dot will not move. That's the beauty of a red dot (like Aimpoints and EOTechs). The red dot and the Irons work completely independent of each other.

It's a common misconception that you need to center the red dot and the irons in the viewing area.



Another illustration that reinforces the advantages of a 1/1 red dot (like this Aimpoint CompM4)
If you can see it, you can hit it.
2/7/2012 6:59:34 AM EDT
[#4]
I have a nightforce nxs 2.5-10x32 if i get the LT 104-30 will the troy folding buis fit under it or would i need the LT 135.
2/7/2012 7:03:13 AM EDT
[#5]
Reminds me of my sight picture when I was shooting with my Pro Mask on
2/7/2012 7:16:04 AM EDT
[#6]
Fantastic information! Thank you!  Makes sense now.  It's tough when you're the only person you know that shoots an AR, and there aren't any local dealers / gun shops that stock the better quality units where you could actually see the difference. Thanks again!
2/7/2012 11:41:18 AM EDT
[#7]
Learned something new today! Thanks for the education!