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Posted: 9/3/2024 1:01:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: It should run fine as it's a flash hider, not a moderator. No back pressure there. I'd put it on the partial fence lower. Copy that. Thank you sir. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2024 6:05:15 PM EST
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mike@NDS
This may not be easy to answer and I'm not trying to put you on the spot but in your opinion, what are the odds of a HR51655162735B or HR51655160058B color matching a recently purchased HR51655152100B? I'm wondering if they'd be reasonably close (upper to lower). Next question, do the HR51655162735B or HR51655160058B either one come with a chrome bcg? a non-serrated bcg? Thanks for all you do. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 7:45:57 PM EST
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The late 604 types come with a mag phos BCG
I can’t even speak to your color match question because it varies too much. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2024 6:15:06 PM EST
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mike@NDS
Has H&R produced a complete 601? You have the 601 lowers (my 601 blem lower looks great by the way) but I couldnt recall if you had done a complete rifle. Thanks for all you do. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 5:58:49 PM EST
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Looking to pick up a receiver for my 14.5" Colt Gordy clone.
What would be the closest clone correct lower? Im assuming the COTS? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 6:09:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: metalsaber]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By abpMN: Looking to pick up a receiver for my 14.5" Colt Gordy clone. What would be the closest clone correct lower? Im assuming the COTS?   |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:48:38 PM EST
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 Any idea of when you'll be restocking complete 20" A1 1/7 barrel assemblies? Also, do you plan on offering prototype style parts, like the front sights? Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:52:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: yes https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0384-3305240.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0404-2-3305239.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By abpMN: Looking to pick up a receiver for my 14.5" Colt Gordy clone. What would be the closest clone correct lower? Im assuming the COTS? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0384-3305240.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0404-2-3305239.jpg Yes the COTS since we pressured Mike into making them for us nerds. 
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Posted: 9/9/2024 4:11:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Yes the COTS since we pressured Mike into making them for us nerds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By abpMN: Looking to pick up a receiver for my 14.5" Colt Gordy clone. What would be the closest clone correct lower? Im assuming the COTS? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0384-3305240.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0404-2-3305239.jpg Yes the COTS since we pressured Mike into making them for us nerds. I wonder how sales are on them, obviously lower than the standard A2s but how much lower? |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 6:43:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: rpoL98]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I wonder how sales are on them, obviously lower than the standard A2s but how much lower? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By abpMN: Looking to pick up a receiver for my 14.5" Colt Gordy clone. What would be the closest clone correct lower? Im assuming the COTS? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0384-3305240.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0404-2-3305239.jpg Yes the COTS since we pressured Mike into making them for us nerds. I wonder how sales are on them, obviously lower than the standard A2s but how much lower? i recollect Mike saying that sales on the COTS lowers were really slow (disappointingly slow?), and consequently he couldn't see making another run of those, once they sold. something like that. a while back. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 8:02:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rpoL98: i recollect Mike saying that sales on the COTS lowers were really slow (disappointingly slow?), and consequently he couldn't see making another run of those, once they sold. something like that. a while back. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rpoL98: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By abpMN: Looking to pick up a receiver for my 14.5" Colt Gordy clone. What would be the closest clone correct lower? Im assuming the COTS? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0384-3305240.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/_84A0404-2-3305239.jpg Yes the COTS since we pressured Mike into making them for us nerds. I wonder how sales are on them, obviously lower than the standard A2s but how much lower? i recollect Mike saying that sales on the COTS lowers were really slow (disappointingly slow?), and consequently he couldn't see making another run of those, once they sold. something like that. a while back. Unfortunate, I might have to grab another one for possible future use. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 10:42:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: CapnMike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rpoL98: i recollect Mike saying that sales on the COTS lowers were really slow (disappointingly slow?), and consequently he couldn't see making another run of those, once they sold. something like that. a while back. Most guys probably don't care about the roll marks. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:03:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By abpMN: Looking to pick up a receiver for my 14.5" Colt Gordy clone. What would be the closest clone correct lower? Im assuming the COTS? Yes COTS 
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Posted: 9/11/2024 12:25:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PoliceMarksman: I hope the DOE will be released first in the Black finish, before Gray. Crap. Hadn't thought about that. My 635 lower is black too. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 5:49:08 PM EST
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Black DOE will be first
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:44:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Black DOE will be first That would be great. I would like to pickup a DOE before Christmas. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:40:34 PM EST
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USA
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:29:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: abpMN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Yes the COTS since we pressured Mike into making them for us nerds. Thanks boys. Picked up a grey one to give it a two-tone look. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 2:02:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Black DOE will be first Any idea what it will cost ? |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 4:32:23 AM EST
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It will be in line with our other products.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2024 7:33:45 AM EST
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Hey Mike, any idea when we might see more M16A1 or XM177E1 gray uppers in stock? Thanks
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Posted: 9/13/2024 3:10:14 AM EST
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I've got a technical question for the XM177E2. What ranges are the sights supposed to be zeroed for? There must be a manual for these things but I can't seem to find it. I know a normal M16A1 is zeroed on the L aparture with M193 55gr, crossing at 25 and 375 yards on the L and 50 and 250yds on the normal aparture.
Does anyone have that info for the XM177E2? I'd like to get mine zeroed this Saturday. I'd be especially grateful if someone could point me to the original manual they must have made for these when they issued them, which I'd assume would have the zeroing info. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 5:20:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: I've got a technical question for the XM177E2. What ranges are the sights supposed to be zeroed for? There must be a manual for these things but I can't seem to find it. I know a normal M16A1 is zeroed on the L aparture with M193 55gr, crossing at 25 and 375 yards on the L and 50 and 250yds on the normal aparture. Does anyone have that info for the XM177E2? I'd like to get mine zeroed this Saturday. I'd be especially grateful if someone could point me to the original manual they must have made for these when they issued them, which I'd assume would have the zeroing info. I found this manual, and it refers you to other TM’s for specific details and procedures. https://www.scribd.com/document/384721727/Preliminary-Operation-and-Maintenance-Manual-Submachine-Gun-5-56-mm-XM177E2 For most of my carbines I do a 50/200 zero |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2024 8:04:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: GMCSwath]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: I've got a technical question for the XM177E2. What ranges are the sights supposed to be zeroed for? There must be a manual for these things but I can't seem to find it. I know a normal M16A1 is zeroed on the L aparture with M193 55gr, crossing at 25 and 375 yards on the L and 50 and 250yds on the normal aparture. Does anyone have that info for the XM177E2? I'd like to get mine zeroed this Saturday. I'd be especially grateful if someone could point me to the original manual they must have made for these when they issued them, which I'd assume would have the zeroing info. The method outlined above gives the flattest trajectory, even more so in yards than meters out to 400 or so. Use FM 23-9 (1989). Mike has these zeroed at 25 yards on the "L" aperture and my teenage daughter has been shooting her grandfather's 14.7 H&R 654 and has not needed to adjust the sights. She's shooting below 5.5 MOA which is what the scaled silhouettes and downrange feedback targets are scaled for with their circles. This was minimum requirement to guarantee hits out to 300 meters. The soldier's goal was half that, 2.75 MOA with standard ammunition. Match ammunition would clover leaf. Her best groups have been 3/8" so far with PMC X-TAC. Have fun! |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 8:10:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: CFletch]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I found this manual, and it refers you to other TM's for specific details and procedures. https://www.scribd.com/document/384721727/Preliminary-Operation-and-Maintenance-Manual-Submachine-Gun-5-56-mm-XM177E2 For most of my carbines I do a 50/200 zero Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Originally Posted By CFletch: I've got a technical question for the XM177E2. What ranges are the sights supposed to be zeroed for? There must be a manual for these things but I can't seem to find it. I know a normal M16A1 is zeroed on the L aparture with M193 55gr, crossing at 25 and 375 yards on the L and 50 and 250yds on the normal aparture. Does anyone have that info for the XM177E2? I'd like to get mine zeroed this Saturday. I'd be especially grateful if someone could point me to the original manual they must have made for these when they issued them, which I'd assume would have the zeroing info. I found this manual, and it refers you to other TM's for specific details and procedures. https://www.scribd.com/document/384721727/Preliminary-Operation-and-Maintenance-Manual-Submachine-Gun-5-56-mm-XM177E2 For most of my carbines I do a 50/200 zero (which appears to have been for the XM177 or E1) and does not cover sighting or many other aspects. There is also supposedly a 1980 revision but I can't find it either. A 50/200 (probably more like 50/150 given the shorter barrel) zero would be my backup, but it'd be nice to find whatever the Army originally intended for this gun. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2024 8:38:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: GMCSwath]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: It seems like the original TM, 9-1005-249-14, simply doesn't exist anywhere. The one above is not hard to find but it basically only covers changes since 9-1005-249-14 (which appears to have been for the XM177 or E1) and does not cover sighting or many other aspects. There is also supposedly a 1980 revision but I can't find it either. A 50/200 (probably more like 50/150 given the shorter barrel) zero would be my backup, but it'd be nice to find whatever the Army originally intended for this gun. I have copies of those manuals and none of them mention it. The special operations guys usually used them for close in work and I'm speculating, either kept them zeroed like an M16A1 or used the Quick Fire method. Ought to be some retired Air Force guys who remember on here how they did it. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 9:49:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: It seems like the original TM, 9-1005-249-14, simply doesn't exist anywhere. The one above is not hard to find but it basically only covers changes since 9-1005-249-14 (which appears to have been for the XM177 or E1) and does not cover sighting or many other aspects. There is also supposedly a 1980 revision but I can't find it either. A 50/200 (probably more like 50/150 given the shorter barrel) zero would be my backup, but it'd be nice to find whatever the Army originally intended for this gun. TM-9-1005-249-14 The 1980 revision of the XM177E2 manual |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:26:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apple3_14159: Originally Posted By CFletch: It seems like the original TM, 9-1005-249-14, simply doesn't exist anywhere. The one above is not hard to find but it basically only covers changes since 9-1005-249-14 (which appears to have been for the XM177 or E1) and does not cover sighting or many other aspects. There is also supposedly a 1980 revision but I can't find it either. A 50/200 (probably more like 50/150 given the shorter barrel) zero would be my backup, but it'd be nice to find whatever the Army originally intended for this gun. TM-9-1005-249-14 The 1980 revision of the XM177E2 manual Hopefully some old guys can chime in and tell us how they zeroed these back in the day. Based on some rough guesswork based on online ballistics charts, looks like the crossing points would be 25/275yds on the L aperture, and 50/175 on the normal one, so a 50 yard zero would be perfect. As it usually is. I'll chrono the AAC 55gr ammo I have this Saturday and see what the actual velocities (and therefor the actual second crossing distances) turn out to be. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:48:53 AM EST
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Those manuals show what looks to be the old M1 Garand web sling as correct for the M16. That's certainly neat.
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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:55:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: Those manuals show what looks to be the old M1 Garand web sling as correct for the M16. That's certainly neat. They are, I put a leather sling on my Garand and used the web sling that was on it on my XM16E1. They are very noisy though. I suppose that’s where the name “silent sling” comes from. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 12:00:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: They are, I put a leather sling on my Garand and used the web sling that was on it on my XM16E1. They are very noisy though. I suppose that's where the name "silent sling" comes from. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By CFletch: Those manuals show what looks to be the old M1 Garand web sling as correct for the M16. That's certainly neat. They are, I put a leather sling on my Garand and used the web sling that was on it on my XM16E1. They are very noisy though. I suppose that's where the name "silent sling" comes from. Anyone know what sling is correct for the XM177E2 and other early AR15 carbines? The manual posted above suggests it's "sling, small arms 7149749" but I can't find any mention of that existing. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 6:46:36 PM EST
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I take the spring clip off of the Garand slings so they don’t rattle.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:18:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch:Anyone know what sling is correct for the XM177E2 and other early AR15 carbines? The manual posted above suggests it's "sling, small arms 7149749" but I can't find any mention of that existing. That's a BAR sling! 1005-714-9749 Can't imagine using that. LOL One of the more common slings for the carbines was to use the 2 quart canteen utility slings. Mike supplies something like this with the Israeli carbines. There were slightly longer versions used during the Korean War that our guys would repurpose for their carbines too. We've also seen the canvas Garand slings attached backwards. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 5:55:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: CFletch]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GMCSwath: That's a BAR sling! 1005-714-9749 Can't imagine using that. LOL One of the more common slings for the carbines was to use the 2 quart canteen utility slings. Mike supplies something like this with the Israeli carbines. There were slightly longer versions used during the Korean War that our guys would repurpose for their carbines too. We've also seen the canvas Garand slings attached backwards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GMCSwath: Originally Posted By CFletch:Anyone know what sling is correct for the XM177E2 and other early AR15 carbines? The manual posted above suggests it's "sling, small arms 7149749" but I can't find any mention of that existing. That's a BAR sling! 1005-714-9749 Can't imagine using that. LOL One of the more common slings for the carbines was to use the 2 quart canteen utility slings. Mike supplies something like this with the Israeli carbines. There were slightly longer versions used during the Korean War that our guys would repurpose for their carbines too. We've also seen the canvas Garand slings attached backwards.  Attached FileIt looks like the normal M1 web sling to my undereducated eyes, but I don't currently have one on hand to compare |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:44:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFletch: I'm guessing there is either an error in my understanding of what I'm seeing, or there is another item with that number. The relevant page is this one from POMM 9-1005-249-14/1 SUBMACHINEGUN, 5.56-MM, XM177E2 JUNE 1980 DRAFT COPY: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302267/image_png-3321805.JPG It looks like the normal M1 web sling to my undereducated eyes, but I don't currently have one on hand to compare We're looking at the same thing. When I googled the numbers, it came up as a leather BAR sling. Obviously, this one is supposed to be canvas according to the drawing. It kinda looks like a Garand/1903 sling. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:54:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PoliceMarksman: That would be great. I would like to pickup a DOE before Christmas. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PoliceMarksman: Originally Posted By mike_nds: Black DOE will be first That would be great. I would like to pickup a DOE before Christmas. Same here......looking forward to one |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:25:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: CapnMike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GMCSwath: We're looking at the same thing. When I googled the numbers, it came up as a leather BAR sling. Obviously, this one is supposed to be canvas according to the drawing. It kinda looks like a Garand/1903 sling. (1005-714-9749) is very similar to the M1 sling, just longer. 48 inches for the M1 sling, 65 inches for the BAR sling. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Sources-for-USGI-M60-rifle-sling-/123-778395/ |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:12:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CapnMike: Looking at other posts in the archives, it seems the BAR Sling referenced for the XM177E2 in the manual (1005-714-9749) is very similar to the M1 sling, just longer. 48 inches for the M1 sling, 65 inches for the BAR sling. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Sources-for-USGI-M60-rifle-sling-/123-778395/ That makes sense, thanks. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2024 9:47:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By texasaggie2005: @mike_nds I'm looking to buy a XM177 pistol upper (HR51655152919B). I'd like to remove the moderator and run a flash hider. Any cycling issues I should expect? I'll be pairing it with either a Commando or XM177E2 pistol lower, I'm not sure which yet, any recommendations welcome. So I ended up going a different direction. 14.7" p&w slickside upper on the M16A1 stamped lower. Call it a "retro classic with modern plastic" I guess. Both upper & lower were the blem models, but I can't find a single thing wrong. Except maybe the rear takedown pin requires a hammer and punch to move. Gonna have to work on that to break it in. Weighs in a ~6.7# with a full 20rd mag & light with a great balance. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 9:19:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I assume you're talking about the rifle SKU HR516551639491 We're out of gray slickside uppers to build with. Once we get the next batch back from ano we'll do some. Maybe next week. Hi Mike! Just curious if any of those uppers would be sold stripped, or if they’re all going to build full rifles and complete uppers. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2024 2:46:22 AM EST
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Any time-frame on when gray C7 uppers will be in stock again?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2024 4:34:43 AM EST
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Hey everyone and Mike, did I happen to miss the restock of gray 1:12 twist 604 uppers? Using as the basis for my 601 clone.
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Posted: 9/30/2024 11:52:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jggore26: Hey everyone and Mike, did I happen to miss the restock of gray 1:12 twist 604 uppers? Using as the basis for my 601 clone. No, we've been out of barrels for a minute. I'll post an update when I have it. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2024 4:37:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: Duckwing]
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@mike_nds Ahhhhhh!!
I'm sad. Can I dm you? |
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Posted: 9/30/2024 5:16:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duckwing: @mike_nds Ahhhhhh!! I'm sad. Edit: I wanna delete this post so bad. You could have just contacted Mike through pm and he would have taken care of you without posting publicly about it. 
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OK, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2024 5:21:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: Duckwing]
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Posted: 9/30/2024 5:59:31 PM EST
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Picked up one of the 12.5 uppers. Sweet little setup. Just to confirm, standard carbine buffer wights should be good right?
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Posted: 10/1/2024 12:11:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stillnothere: Picked up one of the 12.5 uppers. Sweet little setup. Just to confirm, standard carbine buffer wights should be good right? Yes |
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Posted: 10/1/2024 12:14:04 PM EST
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Got the Gray 733 uppers and pistols going now.
  https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-733-pistol-upper-5-56-17-gray-c7.html  https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-733-pistol-1-7-gray-c7.html |
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Posted: 10/1/2024 6:13:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Got the Gray 733 uppers and pistols going now. https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0423dea8e9791990cba1722182d60508/h/r/hr516551737418_10124_1.jpg https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-733-pistol-upper-5-56-17-gray-c7.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0423dea8e9791990cba1722182d60508/h/r/hr516551737420_10124_1.jpg https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-733-pistol-1-7-gray-c7.html I wish yall would give an upgrade/upcharge option to always get the premium handguards on these. FYI love my XM177E1  
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