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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: And the Toob upper is straight up an M4 upper with an outdated handguard, so even by your definition, it is an odd ball to include in their line up. https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-jsoc-complete-upper-w-1-7-twist-gray.html As for the glorious news of stripped uppers being dropped, great. I sadly missed grabbing one. Got on about 3:35, found it at 3:37, and started adding build items to my cart. It was sold out before I could finish the check out process at 3:47. Jeez. Still, glad for those that were able to get one. Hopefully we can get another drop or two before too long. What time is the website supposed to be updated? I thought it was 4:30E/3:30 central. Am I half an hour off? Seems like these dropped right at the top of the hour. It's become a ritual to check the website at 3:30 every day, guess I need to start doing it earlier. And, if I recall, wasn't there a post from a couple weeks back that said they were expecting more A1 barrels in sometime late September or early October? We seem to be right in the middle of that time frame. View Quote And an A1 upper is just a straight up outdated upper with an outdated handguard Your point still doesn't make sense. Why would a company that specializes in making outdated tech make outdate tech? |
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Originally Posted By JakeM45: Non Blem Stripped Gray A1 uppers aren't even listed on the site now View Quote uhhhhh https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-retro-m16a1-upper-receiver-gray2.html |
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Originally Posted By Rabble07: uhhhhh https://palmettostatearmory.com/harrington-richardson-retro-m16a1-upper-receiver-gray2.html View Quote Hit the "uppers" tab and scroll the three pages, they aren't there. Maybe they're doing maintenance or maybe there's going to be another drop with a sneaky link Can't find them through the search bar either |
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Any update on the 9mm 635 uppers?
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Originally Posted By JakeM45: Hit the "uppers" tab and scroll the three pages, they aren't there. Maybe they're doing maintenance or maybe there's going to be another drop with a sneaky link Can't find them through the search bar either View Quote I just added it to my wish list and kept refreshing it a few times a day for almost a year until it pops up in stock and finally got mine yesterday |
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Originally Posted By JakeM45: Hit the "uppers" tab and scroll the three pages, they aren't there. Maybe they're doing maintenance or maybe there's going to be another drop with a sneaky link Can't find them through the search bar either View Quote https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/h-r-arms-co/uppers.html?product_list_order=price_asc Showing up last row on the first page in the center for me |
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Originally Posted By Rabble07: https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/h-r-arms-co/uppers.html?product_list_order=price_asc Showing up last row on the first page in the center for me https://i.imgur.com/NdO4wJy.png View Quote Looking at it on my PC on chrome I don’t see it, but on my iPhone I do. Interesting stuff lol |
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This is messed up. I show a different page and it does not have the a1 non blem.
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The 601 and 607 (GX-5857) lowers will go live today.
Also going to have some more 653 upper halves up too. A1 port doors will be in October sometime. |
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Originally Posted By Razgriz56342: Ahh well that'll make some people happy possibly. I wonder how the C7s are coming along. That and I hope the slabside lowers are doing well since Mike said they were out for ano. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Razgriz56342: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: IIRC, Mike said they’re out of A1 barrels, so I would think we’ll see more stripped uppers rather than complete ones. Ahh well that'll make some people happy possibly. I wonder how the C7s are coming along. That and I hope the slabside lowers are doing well since Mike said they were out for ano. Slabsides would be nice ... .... partial fence would be better. Just sayin' |
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Any update on the 20 inch pencil barrels? Need a couple of m16a1 and 604 complete uppers to finish projects I have. |
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I got a small batch of 1/12 20” in recently.
We’ll try to get some upper halves done in the next week or two. |
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Mike,
Thank you on the update on complete uppers Also, picked up a 601 lower as well. I guess you could not use AR15 model 601 could you? Colt trade marked "AR15." Would have been nice if you could have marked the receivers that way. |
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Also got a 601.
Any 601 pivots or lpks in the works? |
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Originally Posted By JakeM45: And an A1 upper is just a straight up outdated upper with an outdated handguard Your point still doesn't make sense. Why would a company that specializes in making outdated tech make outdate tech? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JakeM45: And an A1 upper is just a straight up outdated upper with an outdated handguard Your point still doesn't make sense. Why would a company that specializes in making outdated tech make outdate tech? One has a carry handle and is hard to find, the other does not. One is from the 60s, and one is from the late 90s. One was actually made by H&R back in the day, one absolutely was not. Specifically referring to the receivers, one is hard to find, and one is the exact same as countless other M4 flattops on the market. If you can't make sense of that, I guess I can't explain it to you. EDIT: And, since you seem to have ignored this point, let me repeat it from the first time I mentioned the Toobs. "I'm happy for those that like that style, but I really wish H&R had focused on what should have been their core product, reproduction M16A1s and related designs, rather than go the route of 120 variations, 5 in stock." Originally Posted By mike_nds: The 601 and 607 (GX-5857) lowers will go live today. Also going to have some more 653 upper halves up too. A1 port doors will be in October sometime. Originally Posted By mike_nds: I got a small batch of 1/12 20” in recently. We’ll try to get some upper halves done in the next week or two. Not the news I wanted to hear (hoping for some 1/7 barrels) but as always, thanks for the updates. |
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Originally Posted By grondike: I'm sure that Mike would love to supply A1/603 uppers to any and everyone who wants to purchase them, but due to some reason that hasn't been shared (and to be clear, I'm not asking), they can't produce them fast enough. Rather than sit and do nothing while waiting on parts to build "core product, reproduction M16A1s and related designs", he's got his team making A2 parts and rifles, tube uppers, and other variations that interest him and will sell. I also missed the drop the other day, so while we're waiting, can I interest you in a hat? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/622/hat2-2962566.jpg View Quote That grey seems a bit off, can you give me a different one? |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: Our core product is whatever we choose to manufacture. Nobody puts baby in a corner. View Quote Attached File all in fun, Glad I got my uppers finally! can't wait to finish when you release the A1 Port Doors! |
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Mike,
Repeating another poster's question about 1/7 twist XM177's ever being a thing. Thanks |
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We are living in a Tom Clancy novel
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Originally Posted By grondike: I'm sure that Mike would love to supply A1/603 uppers to any and everyone who wants to purchase them, but due to some reason that hasn't been shared (and to be clear, I'm not asking), they can't produce them fast enough. Rather than sit and do nothing while waiting on parts to build "core product, reproduction M16A1s and related designs", he's got his team making A2 parts and rifles, tube uppers, and other variations that interest him and will sell. I also missed the drop the other day, so while we're waiting, can I interest you in a hat? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/622/hat2-2962566.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By grondike: Originally Posted By Alpha-17: One has a carry handle and is hard to find, the other does not. One is from the 60s, and one is from the late 90s. One was actually made by H&R back in the day, one absolutely was not. Specifically referring to the receivers, one is hard to find, and one is the exact same as countless other M4 flattops on the market. If you can't make sense of that, I guess I can't explain it to you. EDIT: And, since you seem to have ignored this point, let me repeat it from the first time I mentioned the Toobs. "I'm happy for those that like that style, but I really wish H&R had focused on what should have been their core product, reproduction M16A1s and related designs, rather than go the route of 120 variations, 5 in stock." I also missed the drop the other day, so while we're waiting, can I interest you in a hat? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/622/hat2-2962566.jpg Wen hat? |
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Originally Posted By mtomso7464: There is one on an auction site, will be interesting to see how high it goes. I think making new ones would be very pricey. None of it is easy to mill aluminium. View Quote Atlantic had H&Rs for I think 1200? Edit: Guess it's a bit more: Attached File |
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Originally Posted By RamaSita: Atlantic had H&Rs for I think 1200? Edit: Guess it's a bit more: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480443/Screenshot_20230930_193241_Chrome_jpg-2971629.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RamaSita: Originally Posted By mtomso7464: There is one on an auction site, will be interesting to see how high it goes. I think making new ones would be very pricey. None of it is easy to mill aluminium. Atlantic had H&Rs for I think 1200? Edit: Guess it's a bit more: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/480443/Screenshot_20230930_193241_Chrome_jpg-2971629.JPG Those are original Garands not repro ones (and a absolutely ridiculous at that). As much as I think it would be cool to see new Garands, I don't think that they'll be a crazy big hit. I think new production Garands will be the same way as M1As are. Yeah sure new production rifles will be available, but the cost to manufacture something like that, wood furniture and steel construction and all (not to mention the amount of R+D cost) means that I would be appalled if they hit the market for less than $1500 (and even that is probably a stretch considering retail for the A1s are 1200). At that price, what is the point of getting a new-made rifle when there are plenty of originals out there for the same price or less. It isn't like there is a shortage of Garands (Aside from a bunch of folks hoarding 100 of them in their basements.. 'i know whut i gat sonny') but you can get a decent shootable original Garand through the CMP for like $800, and if you want a good shooter the CMP special ones with new criterion barrels and a complete rework are like $1000. I don't think people's fantasies of an "affordable new production Garand" are reasonable given today's market, even if it is PSA/H&R making it. It will still be too expensive for most people anyway. If someone is going to drop 2K on a rifle, why not get a nice WWII one (H&R wasn't WWII) that will hold value based upon the history instead of a repro that will degrade in value. |
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Hey Mike,
Does the 604 rifles include the hard chromed BCG? like the one we can buy by itself on PSA? |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Oh, this, so much this. The "toob" uppers are especially frustrating because they're just an outdated modern upper. I'm happy for those that like that style, but I really wish H&R had focused on what should have been their core product, reproduction M16A1s and related designs, rather than go the route of 120 variations, 5 in stock. Exactly. I've got a now complete lower sitting around, collecting dust. I've also got a decent chunk of change sitting around waiting for an upper to come into stock. Since we don't really have a clue when that might be, that money has to sit there rather than be used for other projects. That's very frustrating, and is starting to make me regret getting started on this project in the first place. Hell, I'd happily take a complete A1 or E1 upper, just so the build would be finished. View Quote Spitting facts. Idk about everyone else, but my assumption was that, based upon SHOT 2023, the focus would be on the A1s. I'm happy to see the product line expanded and people getting what they want, but it feels like everything is getting made BUT the thing that was advertised at all the way back in 2022. I know there are manufacturing hang ups, but the focus on complete rifles couples with the low production rate and lack of individual components for sale is a real kick in the balls for home builders (which Nodak used to cater to). I hope this release of stripped receivers becomes a regular thing in addition to complete uppers/rifles. Nothing sucks worse than having money tied up into a half finished project I missed the drop this time (I don't have the time to watch the site 24 hours/day), but I'll keep my eyes peeled. |
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I’m wanting a forged H&R M14 personally.
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Originally Posted By 12BMilsurp: Spitting facts. Idk about everyone else, but my assumption was that, based upon SHOT 2023, the focus would be on the A1s. I'm happy to see the product line expanded and people getting what they want, but it feels like everything is getting made BUT the thing that was advertised at all the way back in 2022. I know there are manufacturing hang ups, but the focus on complete rifles couples with the low production rate and lack of individual components for sale is a real kick in the balls for home builders (which Nodak used to cater to). I hope this release of stripped receivers becomes a regular thing in addition to complete uppers/rifles. Nothing sucks worse than having money tied up into a half finished project I missed the drop this time (I don't have the time to watch the site 24 hours/day), but I'll keep my eyes peeled. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 12BMilsurp: Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Oh, this, so much this. The "toob" uppers are especially frustrating because they're just an outdated modern upper. I'm happy for those that like that style, but I really wish H&R had focused on what should have been their core product, reproduction M16A1s and related designs, rather than go the route of 120 variations, 5 in stock. Exactly. I've got a now complete lower sitting around, collecting dust. I've also got a decent chunk of change sitting around waiting for an upper to come into stock. Since we don't really have a clue when that might be, that money has to sit there rather than be used for other projects. That's very frustrating, and is starting to make me regret getting started on this project in the first place. Hell, I'd happily take a complete A1 or E1 upper, just so the build would be finished. Spitting facts. Idk about everyone else, but my assumption was that, based upon SHOT 2023, the focus would be on the A1s. I'm happy to see the product line expanded and people getting what they want, but it feels like everything is getting made BUT the thing that was advertised at all the way back in 2022. I know there are manufacturing hang ups, but the focus on complete rifles couples with the low production rate and lack of individual components for sale is a real kick in the balls for home builders (which Nodak used to cater to). I hope this release of stripped receivers becomes a regular thing in addition to complete uppers/rifles. Nothing sucks worse than having money tied up into a half finished project I missed the drop this time (I don't have the time to watch the site 24 hours/day), but I'll keep my eyes peeled. Wrong, just more 'muh build' whining from the join date/post count crew that has infected this thread. If tying up a few hundred bucks affects you guys so much where it's the worst thing ever, this hobby might not be for you. |
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A 656 upper and FSB would be nice!
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Originally Posted By 12BMilsurp: I don't think people's fantasies of an "affordable new production Garand" are reasonable given today's market, even if it is PSA/H&R making it. It will still be too expensive for most people anyway. If someone is going to drop 2K on a rifle, why not get a nice WWII one (H&R wasn't WWII) that will hold value based upon the history instead of a repro that will degrade in value. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 12BMilsurp: I don't think people's fantasies of an "affordable new production Garand" are reasonable given today's market, even if it is PSA/H&R making it. It will still be too expensive for most people anyway. If someone is going to drop 2K on a rifle, why not get a nice WWII one (H&R wasn't WWII) that will hold value based upon the history instead of a repro that will degrade in value. Agreed. I don't think they'd be able to get repro Garands out the door for much less than an M1A, and for those prices, an original is a better option. An M14 clone would seem to make more sense, as an H&R marked M14 repro would compete better with a M1A. Sticking with what H&R actually made back in the day, a T48 FAL repro would be awesome, though probably prohibitively expensive. Originally Posted By TheRedBaron: Wrong, just more 'muh build' whining from the join date/post count crew that has infected this thread. If tying up a few hundred bucks affects you guys so much where it's the worst thing ever, this hobby might not be for you. How dare people specifically join a forum to discuss one company's offerings, or to voice their concerns in a venue where someone from that company posts. The sheer audacity of people. And some of us are not hobby builders, we just wanted A1s and going through H&R seemed to be the best way to accomplish that goal. Now that we're half way done, the continued lack of availability is somewhat concerning/frustrating. I doubt anyone thinks it's the worst thing ever, but last I checked, complaints on the internet were not limited to life and death struggles. |
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Originally Posted By coltfan3000: Mike, Thank you on the update on complete uppers Also, picked up a 601 lower as well. I guess you could not use AR15 model 601 could you? Colt trade marked "AR15." Would have been nice if you could have marked the receivers that way. View Quote Perhaps they could be called the HR-15. I also wonder if they'll make lowers of the Colt Sporter series such as the Delta HBAR, early R6520, or even the SP1 with their slabsided lowers makes. Maybe even mark them the HR-15 Sporter or something like that to generalize all of the slabsided civilian models. |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Agreed. I don't think they'd be able to get repro Garands out the door for much less than an M1A, and for those prices, an original is a better option. An M14 clone would seem to make more sense, as an H&R marked M14 repro would compete better with a M1A. Sticking with what H&R actually made back in the day, a T48 FAL repro would be awesome, though probably prohibitively expensive. How dare people specifically join a forum to discuss one company's offerings, or to voice their concerns in a venue where someone from that company posts. The sheer audacity of people. And some of us are not hobby builders, we just wanted A1s and going through H&R seemed to be the best way to accomplish that goal. Now that we're half way done, the continued lack of availability is somewhat concerning/frustrating. I doubt anyone thinks it's the worst thing ever, but last I checked, complaints on the internet were not limited to life and death struggles. View Quote LOL to all you reddit wieners. |
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I think new production H&R M1 Garands would be an excellent idea. With WW2 media still being prevalent in today's world and with the zoomer generation wanting to buy those kinds of guns, it would be nice to see and to have the option of having something brand-spankin' new. I also think if they had different caliber options such as .308 and could take any 30-06 load, they would be a smash hit. The M1 Garand surplus will dry up sooner or later, then that'll cause them to be marked up to as much as M1 Carbines have in the past. I'd imagine it would be a safer option than buying some mystery meat Garands at a gun show or something like that too. I'd buy one in .308 as long as it doesn't cost as much as a Fulton lol.
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I like Mike's ability to distract everyone from the A1 rant and onto what he should be making in the future. I'd love to see a T48 FAL and a HK33.
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I keep missing out on a1 uppers and I never got a notification email. Any other strategies?
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Originally Posted By RandyLahey01: I keep missing out on a1 uppers and I never got a notification email. Any other strategies? View Quote sit and watch your wishlist every day all day and keep refreshing until shows in stock , took almost a year but I got it! Attached File |
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