Mike's OFFICIAL H&R Retro thread (Page 157 of 158)
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Originally Posted By CFletch: I'm curious how you think a F marked FSB will throw off the pre-calibrated elevation system if the front sight can be zeroed. If the front sight can be zeroed it'll work with the rear sight adjustment (A2 rear-adjustment system included) exactly as intended. Obviously the system won't work on shorter barrels where the front sight can't be adjusted enough in some cases, but they are using a different part in that case anyway. The last part of your post is just nonsense. No one who works at Pedersoli was alive when muskets were in service, same with the CMP and M1 Garands, so I guess they can't make them? Read my original post. A simple technical question to Mike. It's a legitimate question he didn't answer. A manufacturer substituting parts on their replica that are out of spec with original. Not a troll here but a good customer. I own 3 H&R's. To your curiosity. Nowhere did I say any front sight system (FSB, FSP) that ultimately winds up the correct M16A2 design height (~2.6") above the centerbore, the rear elevation would not work properly. Your non-sense comment. Nowhere in any post did I say a competent, trained qualified armorer or company can't build a clone right. Not all builders or manufacturers today are. I've owned several M40, M40A1 built to original specs by USMC 2112 armorers. Pedersoli own one, a .58 caliber percussion musket. They've been in business 70 years. Owned by same people making same things. |
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Originally Posted By MC6Jumper: Read my original post. A simple technical question to Mike. It's a legitimate question he didn't answer. A manufacturer substituting parts on their replica that are out of spec with original. Not a troll here but a good customer. I own 3 H&R's. To your curiosity. Nowhere did I say any front sight system (FSB, FSP) that ultimately winds up the correct M16A2 design height (~2.6") above the centerbore, the rear elevation would not work properly. Your non-sense comment. Nowhere in any post did I say a competent, trained qualified armorer or company can't build a clone right. Not all builders or manufacturers today are. I've owned several M40, M40A1 built to original specs by USMC 2112 armorers. Pedersoli own one, a .58 caliber percussion musket. They've been in business 70 years. Owned by same people making same things. When we first started making M16A2 rifles I made the conscious decision to use what we had in inventory. The rifles zero at 25y with only 6-7 clicks from flush on the front sight post. On a carbine it generally doesn’t work, so we use .625” rifle height FSB’s. There is a point of diminishing returns on clone rifles. We have to balance the number of inventory sku’s vs perfection. And you can’t please everyone even when you do it correctly. I literally just read posts on YouTube about the 606 that clearly demonstrate that people don’t know what a 606 is. Or that there is an early version, and a late version. |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: When we first started making M16A2 rifles I made the conscious decision to use what we had in inventory. The rifles zero at 25y with only 6-7 clicks from flush on the front sight post. On a carbine it generally doesn’t work, so we use .625” rifle height FSB’s. There is a point of diminishing returns on clone rifles. We have to balance the number of inventory sku’s vs perfection. And you can’t please everyone even when you do it correctly. I literally just read posts on YouTube about the 606 that clearly demonstrate that people don’t know what a 606 is. Or that there is an early version, and a late version. Yeah I’m thankful you are at the helm. You are not new to the Retro Divas, and you don’t let them dictate your business. People would be surprised to find out how little correlation there is between the volume of complaints on websites like these and actual sales. |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: When we first started making M16A2 rifles I made the conscious decision to use what we had in inventory. The rifles zero at 25y with only 6-7 clicks from flush on the front sight post. On a carbine it generally doesn’t work, so we use .625” rifle height FSB’s. There is a point of diminishing returns on clone rifles. We have to balance the number of inventory sku’s vs perfection. And you can’t please everyone even when you do it correctly. I literally just read posts on YouTube about the 606 that clearly demonstrate that people don’t know what a 606 is. Or that there is an early version, and a late version. Mike thanks for reply. Got your H&R M16A1 and XM177. Both are shooters ~ 2 MOA with M193. This M16A2 H&R is my third purchase. Hope it shoots as good as the other two. * Addendum: Small detail on my new H&R M16A2 out the box. The elevation bottomed out at -4 clicks counterclockwise from 8/3. USMC Manual MCRP 301-A states this should be -3 (p 87) or take to armorer. Easily reset by me with 1/16" Allen wrench to -3 clicks in ~10 min. |
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@mike_nds: Two product suggestions: 1) Colt Canada “CS” buttstock. 2) Replica green C7/C7A1 furniture. Would be nice to have actual round handguards with proper heat shields rather than a foil heat shield in a washed out green. Aforementioned CS stock would be a good option. B5’s retro green CAR-15 stuff is decent - used an H&R 14.7” barrel to build a replica C8. |
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Originally Posted By Gonzo4251: All these new rifles are nice and all but is there any plans to do more accessories like ARMS #02 or #16A optic mounts, A1/A2 side sling swivels or replica aimpoints red dots? Man I agree with you. Seems like a huge untapped market. Everyone is fighting over older used attachments. I wish arms would spool up production on discontinued products. Guy on AKFiles was making gooseneck mounts for Cmore options. Not sure if he has added to the lineup. Wish he would do M21 and RX01 mounts as well. |
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Picked up two A1s to join the 20" master race pile. Swapping in some surplus furniture eventually. Also got two lowers and didn't know they were blems until after the transfer.  Put in a help request for a $40 credit but I reckon I'll be eating that difference. Oh, well. Retro all the things. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy: Picked up two A1s to join the 20" master race pile. Swapping in some surplus furniture eventually. Also got two lowers and didn't know they were blems until after the transfer. Put in a help request for a $40 credit but I reckon I'll be eating that difference. Oh, well. Retro all the things. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45309/IMG_9726_jpeg-3768784.JPG Nice Adam Baldwin signed butter stock! Also, shot my 601 over the weekend and it ran flawlessly. Love it. |
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Originally Posted By ALostKey: Are there any plans to sell m16a2 barrel assemblies? They’re difficult to find from reputable vendors online. Yeah, it’s basically impossible to find 20” govt profile barrels with an FSB these days. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Yeah, it’s basically impossible to find 20” govt profile barrels with an FSB these days. I genuinely thought I was losing my mind because I was having such a hard time. I have a A4gery that’s getting to the point where I’m watching the barrel. It would be super convenient if I could snag an assembly from Psa/hr and just chuck it in the safe for when I need it. |
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Originally Posted By fuddrespecter: are xm177s a limited thing or are you still making more? We will make more. Sales have been very brisk this year and we are having trouble keeping up with all the sku's. |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: We will make more. Sales have been very brisk this year and we are having trouble keeping up with all the sku's. Not to sound like a smart ass but man we can only buy so many $900-1.2k rifles a year. Lol I plan on owning 4-5 more of the various models yall have brought to life but man 2026 cost of living is no joke. |
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Originally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: Not to sound like a smart ass but man we can only buy so many $900-1.2k rifles a year. Lol I plan on owning 4-5 more of the various models yall have brought to life but man 2026 cost of living is no joke. sounds like not an H&R problem. It’s great of Mike and team to give us options |
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Originally Posted By PGT_0673: sounds like not an H&R problem. It’s great of Mike and team to give us options Your right, last I check Mike wasn’t the president which caused a downturn in the economy. It’s not his fault and definitely not his products. I do not won’t PSA/H&R to get discouraged with “brisk” sales as he put it. Just a bad time right now for gun sales imo. But I’m doing my part. lol 2 maks 1 star 30m And an anaconda this week. lol |
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brisk (brɪsk IPA Pronunciation Guide) Word forms: brisker, briskest 1. adjective A brisk activity or action is done quickly and in an energetic way. Taking a brisk walk can often induce a feeling of well-being. Synonyms: quick, lively, energetic, active More Synonyms of brisk briskly adverb [ADV with v] Eve walked briskly down the corridor to her son's room. Synonyms: quickly, smartly, promptly, rapidly More Synonyms of brisk 2. adjective If trade or business is brisk, things are being sold very quickly and a lot of money is being made. Vendors were doing a brisk trade in souvenirs. |
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Originally Posted By Suppo: brisk (brɪsk IPA Pronunciation Guide) Word forms: brisker, briskest 1. adjective A brisk activity or action is done quickly and in an energetic way. Taking a brisk walk can often induce a feeling of well-being. Synonyms: quick, lively, energetic, active More Synonyms of brisk briskly adverb [ADV with v] Eve walked briskly down the corridor to her son's room. Synonyms: quickly, smartly, promptly, rapidly More Synonyms of brisk 2. adjective If trade or business is brisk, things are being sold very quickly and a lot of money is being made. Vendors were doing a brisk trade in souvenirs. lol guess I’m retarded. I read it as in sales have been “lite”. And H&R is having a hard time producing such a wide variety of products line skus. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Yeah, it’s basically impossible to find 20” govt profile barrels with an FSB these days. Buy the barrel and FSB parts, barrel nut, send to John Thomas, it’ll be back ready to go in under a week. He’s done a number of my FSB installs and turnaround is same day. He just cleaned up a nasty T65 kit and did the install of an H&R pencil barrel and the T65 FSB for that and it turned around same day. |
| Anyone in here SBR'd a M16A2 lower on Eforms? Under any of the H&R manufacturer code listings I dont see the M16A2 specific one. I can't be the first to have done of these lowers. Wondering if anyone knows what MFG code its under |
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Originally Posted By 01SVTSnake: Anyone in here SBR'd a M16A2 lower on Eforms? Under any of the H&R manufacturer code listings I dont see the M16A2 specific one. I can't be the first to have done of these lowers. Wondering if anyone knows what MFG code its under Not an A2 but my two A1’s, read just like what is below on my F1’s. MFG - Harrington and Richardson, United States Mod - M16A1 I would assume the A2 would be M16A2 |
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Originally Posted By vellnueve: Buy the barrel and FSB parts, barrel nut, send to John Thomas, it’ll be back ready to go in under a week. He’s done a number of my FSB installs and turnaround is same day. He just cleaned up a nasty T65 kit and did the install of an H&R pencil barrel and the T65 FSB for that and it turned around same day. Even finding a 20 inch govt profile chromed barrel is difficult. Hence me asking. |
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Originally Posted By ALostKey: Even finding a 20 inch govt profile chromed barrel is difficult. Hence me asking. https://www.tntesales.com/tnte-20-m16-a2-a4-5-56-barrel-cl-1-7-w-fsb/ https://charliescustomclones.com/colt-20-government-profile-stripped-barrel-1-7-5-56-nato-with-0-75-new-old-stock/ https://www.fulton-armory.com/product/barrel-20-ar-a2-govt-contour-1x7-chrome-lined-threaded-match-quality-fa-by-criterion/ |
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You can also backorder Colt 20" barrel in Brownells. You won't get charged until they have barrel ready for shipping. I did this and very happy with Brownells process. If you have C&R 03 FFL, you are eligible for discounted pricing. https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-barrels-parts/m16-5.56-replacement-barrel-20/ |
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Originally Posted By vellnueve: https://www.tntesales.com/tnte-20-m16-a2-a4-5-56-barrel-cl-1-7-w-fsb/ https://charliescustomclones.com/colt-20-government-profile-stripped-barrel-1-7-5-56-nato-with-0-75-new-old-stock/ https://www.fulton-armory.com/product/barrel-20-ar-a2-govt-contour-1x7-chrome-lined-threaded-match-quality-fa-by-criterion/ Originally Posted By vellnueve: Originally Posted By ALostKey: Even finding a 20 inch govt profile chromed barrel is difficult. Hence me asking. https://www.tntesales.com/tnte-20-m16-a2-a4-5-56-barrel-cl-1-7-w-fsb/ https://charliescustomclones.com/colt-20-government-profile-stripped-barrel-1-7-5-56-nato-with-0-75-new-old-stock/ https://www.fulton-armory.com/product/barrel-20-ar-a2-govt-contour-1x7-chrome-lined-threaded-match-quality-fa-by-criterion/ I wouldn’t buy a thing from TNTE or CCC, Fulton is fine. |
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Originally Posted By seand1111: Not an A2 but my two A1's, read just like what is below on my F1's. MFG - Harrington and Richardson, United States Mod - M16A1 I would assume the A2 would be M16A2 |
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet: Love the 635 upper. Always wanted one of these. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20856/AB02F15A-81B8-4AE9-8B98-2DF0565602EF-3772541.jpg Magwell adapter or dedicated Colt SMG mag lower? |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: @mike_nds Any updates for the 605? Thanks! They are working on getting a batch together for a launch. We’ve been having supply chain issues, so it may still be a bit. |
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Any pics of a DOE upper with the handguards off? I assume just a normal setup under shorter hg’s and single pin gas block? I’ve got an idea using spare bbl I have Edit - nm, I see a pic of the assly on the site. What’s the OD of the gas block journal? Normal 0.750 it appears? |
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605's coming soon. https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/h-r-arms-co/605.html |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: 605's coming soon. https://palmettostatearmory.com/brands/h-r-arms-co/605.html Thanks, Mike. Been holding out for this for so long. Ordered an upper  .
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Originally Posted By RetroLover1775: Has anyone had issues with the M16A1 uppers being a very white gray that looks nothing close to “Colt Gray”? Yep, the current batch is far lighter than anything I've ever owned, original or otherwise. I know it's difficult to control the shade of grey anodizing but to be honest I think there needs to be more narrow range for what's considered acceptable. If a batch is that much different, then they should be blems IMO. I don't need a perfect match, but I'd like it to be in the same ballpark. Attached File |
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| Mine is about the same as your, but a bit lighter. For $700 for a M16A1 upper, I guess I expect better quality control. This is my 7th H&R retro Nam build and it’s no where close to even being passable. That said… has Mike addressed it or any luck with Customer Service? I really don’t want to pay someone to paint the receiver set when I just spent 700 on the upper |
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It's been brought up before, IIRC it's just not realistic to have consistency across batches, but I would have thought you could get closer than that. I've seen a number of complaints on Reddit lately about drastic differences. |
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I know it's annoying, but it has been addressed before, doesn't impact function, and it honestly is more accurate to the visual of retro service weapons. I get it, but I also got mine coming out nearly perfect, so maybe I don't. |
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Originally Posted By Capt-Planet: I know it's annoying, but it has been addressed before, doesn't impact function, and it honestly is more accurate to the visual of retro service weapons. I get it, but I also got mine coming out nearly perfect, so maybe I don't. I see this all the time, but I think it's massively overstated. Yes, some variation existed and if you look at period photos you'll occasionally see a huge difference, but typically they were relatively close. |
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