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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2022 11:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Under_ScoreFTW: Does your BC have a "C" stamp? I'm assuming your Bolt has MPC Barrels are different. Mine came with a Surefire War Comp from the factory (JUST KIDDING, relax). In judging from the rest of the photos I'm looking at closely online - I overstated the "nothing is the same". There are some similarities. There are, however, not as many similarities between what my OEM2 was and the newer Colt guns I've seen. So, while I will eat crow about overstating the dissimilarities on the OEM2, that doesn't invalidate my larger point about them being a parts assembler. If the barrels, uppers, (some of) the bolt carriers are coming from outside . . . . (and who knows what else), are they a manufacturer or an assembler? Please save the argument about "other companies doing the same thing." All I'm talking about is "heyday Colt" and current colt. If you think they are "as good" as they used to be at their, I'd love to hear why - educate me - I'm not unreasonable, and can be convinced. I'm not particularly brand-loyal to one company or another. I love firearms from companies that I hate, and I don't "hate" Colt at all. I wouldn't even say I dislike them. I have a real appreciation for what they represent and their history (and have Vickers' book on the AR, which of Course is unreal in what it shows about them). YES, all 22 of them. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 12:06:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gelmir: Unanswered questions I'm sure to have answered soon: 1:barrel length 14.5 p/w or 16" 2:barrel profile m4A1 was mentioned somewhere 3: Rollmarks 4: CZ in the serial number range like Dan Wesson 1911s 5: scratching my head on a 15" rail on carbine gas 6: CAGE codes 7: M5 only mentioned in Colt LEO\Military catalog and none were offered with 16" barrel . Was this a last minute commercial decision 8: 2k for the gun with a $40 stock? Come on man! 9: Accessories 10: Commonality of parts with M4 (lower parts and BCG) I have others , but that's a start CZ in serial number??? Scratching your head over carbine?? You must have Dandruff. last min decision to go with 16 inch??? It's called legality 40$ stock? It's a freaking stock. you are the dude that should stay clear away from this or other Colts. Just a hater and troller. GTFO of here with your BS |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 12:22:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MGYSGT8541: It says 16 inch barrel. CZ in serial number??? Scratching your head over carbine?? You must have Dandruff. last min decision to go with 16 inch??? It's called legality 40$ stock? It's a freaking stock. you are the dude that should stay clear away from this or other Colts. Just a hater and troller. GTFO of here with your BS Well said! |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 12:44:00 AM EDT
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2k rifle = no CHF barrel, not mid length
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 1:00:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coalkoy: 2k rifle = no CHF barrel, not mid length I'm a little disappointed. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 7:22:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gelmir: Unanswered questions I'm sure to have answered soon: 1:barrel length 14.5 p/w or 16" 2:barrel profile m4A1 was mentioned somewhere 3: Rollmarks 4: CZ in the serial number range like Dan Wesson 1911s 5: scratching my head on a 15" rail on carbine gas 6: CAGE codes 7: M5 only mentioned in Colt LEO\Military catalog and none were offered with 16" barrel . Was this a last minute commercial decision 8: 2k for the gun with a $40 stock? Come on man! 9: Accessories 10: Commonality of parts with M4 (lower parts and BCG) I have others , but that's a start |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:33:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Minuteman1636]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gelmir: Unanswered questions I'm sure to have answered soon: 1:barrel length 14.5 p/w or 16" 2:barrel profile m4A1 was mentioned somewhere 3: Rollmarks 4: CZ in the serial number range like Dan Wesson 1911s 5: scratching my head on a 15" rail on carbine gas 6: CAGE codes 7: M5 only mentioned in Colt LEO\Military catalog and none were offered with 16" barrel . Was this a last minute commercial decision 8: 2k for the gun with a $40 stock? Come on man! 9: Accessories 10: Commonality of parts with M4 (lower parts and BCG) I have others , but that's a start 1:barrel length 14.5 p/w or 16"- 16 inch barrel 2:barrel profile m4A1 was mentioned somewhere- Not an M4A1 SOCOM barrel 3: Rollmarks- M5 Carbine 4: CZ in the serial number range like Dan Wesson 1911s- CR prefix 5: scratching my head on a 15" rail on carbine gas 6: CAGE codes 7: M5 only mentioned in Colt LEO\Military catalog and none were offered with 16" barrel . Was this a last minute commercial decision-Commercial products do not get advertised in the LE/Mil catalogs. Commercial sale was always planned but they had to have production capacity to have excess to sell commercially 8: 2k for the gun with a $40 stock? Come on man!- many manufacturers do this. KAC for example 9: Accessories- not sure 10: Commonality of parts with M4 (lower parts and BCG)- no difference in bcg's. Not sure on lower parts interchangeability yet ETA...sights are Troy |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 2:09:54 PM EDT
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Charlie’s has them for $1,895.95.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 2:40:58 PM EDT
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Does anyone else think that rail looks a lot like CMT (Cross Machine and Tool)? I wonder if some collaboration occurred.
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Posted: 9/2/2022 3:59:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyA: Charlie’s has them for $1,895.95. First pic looks shopped. Cheers |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 5:05:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buddyhoohaw: First pic looks shopped. Cheers Most of the pics they have are of the select fire version. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:10:24 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyA: Charlie’s has them for $1,895.95. I’m kind of doubt they actually have one available even though it says in stock. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:12:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: Does anyone else think that rail looks a lot like CMT (Cross Machine and Tool)? I wonder if some collaboration occurred. One of the threads (maybe somewhere in this one) I thought it was mentioned that Geissele was involved. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:16:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oxford411: I'm kind of doubt they actually have one available even though it says in stock. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:24:41 PM EDT
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Are they chrome lined?
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:39:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Calibre45: Are they chrome lined? With it being Colt I would be astonished if they are not... |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:54:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MGYSGT8541: Enlighten us on your theory? Not speaking for Oxford but my guess is CCC have received a shipping notification from Colt that a certain number of stock has been shipped and is in route, thus they list them in stock when they don't actually have them,,,,,,,,yet. Arms Unlimited have been known to do this. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 6:57:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MGYSGT8541]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OTDR: Not speaking for Oxford but my guess is CCC have received a shipping notification from Colt that a certain number of stock has been shipped and is in route, thus they list them in stock when they don't actually have them,,,,,,,,yet. Arms Unlimited have been known to do this. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 7:30:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OTDR: Not speaking for Oxford but my guess is CCC have received a shipping notification from Colt that a certain number of stock has been shipped and is in route, thus they list them in stock when they don't actually have them,,,,,,,,yet. Arms Unlimited have been known to do this. I do believe may AU plays this game, and if they do I think they mark them in stock after Colt ships them out to them. On the other hand, based on some members dealing with CCC, I believe that they mark them in stock when they have an “order” in for some in the hopes that they get them. This happened with someone on here a a socom. I’m not saying either is the right thing to do but there is a big difference between it. AU is shady enough but I’ll deal with them any day over CCC. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:03:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oxford411: I do believe may AU plays this game, and if they do I think they mark them in stock after Colt ships them out to them. On the other hand, based on some members dealing with CCC, I believe that they mark them in stock when they have an “order” in for some in the hopes that they get them. This happened with someone on here a a socom. I’m not saying either is the right thing to do but there is a big difference between it. AU is shady enough but I’ll deal with them any day over CCC. I ordered mine from AU as soon as I got the email. I got them the FFL right after. My order is still processing, so I will let you know once its shipped. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:49:23 PM EDT
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I ordered one yesterday morning as well from ArmsUnlimited and it's still being processed. I also see they have have 71 in stock as I write this and they had 85 yesterday morning
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Posted: 9/2/2022 9:47:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gelmir: I ordered one yesterday morning as well from ArmsUnlimited and it's still being processed. I also see they have have 71 in stock as I write this and they had 85 yesterday morning CTPT: 71 in stock at AU. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2022 7:04:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyA: Charlie’s has them for $1,895.95. Labor day sale at $100 less. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2022 7:33:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Labor day sale at $100 less. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Originally Posted By JohnnyA: Charlie’s has them for $1,895.95. Labor day sale at $100 less. So can you clear up if they actually have these in stock and ready to ship? You are related to them and seem to do a lot of promoting on this forum for them. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2022 8:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oxford411: You are related to them and seem to do a lot of promoting on this forum for them. I admit the former and would disagree with the latter. I have done very little to mention "them" let alone promote, but I read your hate notes, and I would venture to say your hate notes outnumber any mention I have done by a factor of 5. But, even if I do, what's your point? But, let's remain civil. As to any questions you may have on the product, I would refer you to their Website and online chat feature if you have a genuine interest in purchasing. I am an IT guy, so I helped set up the chat. Pretty effective. Have a nice weekend. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2022 8:54:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Coalkoy]
[#26]
 Lady Sharpshooter EP.6.1 | ?????????? Defense & Security 2022 (Part 1) (21:43) defense & security 2022 thailand |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:08:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: I admit the former and would disagree with the latter. I have done very little to mention "them" let alone promote, but I read your hate notes, and I would venture to say your hate notes outnumber any mention I have done by a factor of 5. But, even if I do, what's your point? But, let's remain civil. As to any questions you may have on the product, I would refer you to their Website and online chat feature if you have a genuine interest in purchasing. I am an IT guy, so I helped set up the chat. Pretty effective. Have a nice weekend. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Originally Posted By oxford411: You are related to them and seem to do a lot of promoting on this forum for them. I admit the former and would disagree with the latter. I have done very little to mention "them" let alone promote, but I read your hate notes, and I would venture to say your hate notes outnumber any mention I have done by a factor of 5. But, even if I do, what's your point? But, let's remain civil. As to any questions you may have on the product, I would refer you to their Website and online chat feature if you have a genuine interest in purchasing. I am an IT guy, so I helped set up the chat. Pretty effective. Have a nice weekend. No need for the website chat, I’ll just take that as no. If it was a yes they have them in stock, it would have been a lot easier to just say so. Seems like normal operations as usual. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2022 9:08:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: I admit the former and would disagree with the latter. I have done very little to mention "them" let alone promote, but I read your hate notes, and I would venture to say your hate notes outnumber any mention I have done by a factor of 5. But, even if I do, what's your point? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Originally Posted By oxford411: You are related to them and seem to do a lot of promoting on this forum for them. I admit the former and would disagree with the latter. I have done very little to mention "them" let alone promote, but I read your hate notes, and I would venture to say your hate notes outnumber any mention I have done by a factor of 5. But, even if I do, what's your point? Literally, the only product links that that you post here are to their site.  ETA:  CASE IN POINT |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2022 1:04:03 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Labor day sale at $100 less. |
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Posted: 9/4/2022 1:08:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Muricha]
[#30]
 Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2022 11:11:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oxford411: No need for the website chat, I’ll just take that as no. If it was a yes they have them in stock, it would have been a lot easier to just say so. Seems like normal operations as usual. I am not there, I do not know. Ask the guys who sell them. I do not speak for them. I am just pointing out that the product is on sale for Labor Day. If you are interested, ask. The fact that I have a connection does not make me all knowing. I do know they did a good dead for people here once who go duped by others selling run-of-the-mill safeties as Colt and helped them out. Will I speak out for them from time to time. Yes, just as anyone will who has had a good experience with any company. You don't see me waving their flag, just pointing out where this audience might benefit. Yes, years ago, it used to bother me that folks who had no direct experience would talk bad bout them or any other vendor. I think we should all be a little more engaging of 2A companies, and I have said that defending others, including AU. That is just me. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2022 11:23:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MGYSGT8541: Arms unlimited don't charge tax. They are cheaper then ccc Well, it would take a lot of tax to match a gap of $150. But, let me say something about taxes - nothing to do with any firm. I work freelance for ecommerce companies, some in the firearms space, some not. Everyone is moving to collect and pay sales tax on economic nexus, which is triggered, state by state, at different levels. Some by number of shipments into a state, some by gross revenue into that state, etc. And, those which do not, face some very harsh realities, as the states will look back to 2017 or 2019 and assess taxes, and I have seen and heard of this happening, and when it does, the tax bill is usually in the $100k's and can nearly put a business out of business. The larger guys, like Geissele, Euro Optic, Primary Arms, PSA, have been doing this for a year or two. The medium-sized businesses are pretty much just starting, and do it state by state. Maybe two or three states, maybe 10 or 15. It depends upon which states they meet the minimum. And, eBay and Gunbroker are doing it as well, as marketplaces have come under state requirements. Now, whether AU has met the minimums for your state, I would have no idea. What I gather is that their consumer market is pretty small, and their sales are mostly to law enforcement agencies and some wholesale (their web traffic can be measured, and it is very small). My guess is that they have not met the minimums for your state. AU may seem like a household name, but that is only amongst this audience here - Colt fans. Outside the diehard Colt fan, their consumer Web traffic is small. Bottom line: as online business grow, each will be collecting sales tax. That will add another overhead cost to otherwise small businesses, and maybe someone will figure out an easy way for small business to compliant. One brand I work with tells me they spend around $2,000 per month, just for sales tax compliance. This brand is a lot smaller than Primary Arms, but a little bigger than CCC or AU. Still, it adds up, just like credit card fees. |
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Posted: 9/4/2022 11:40:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Well, it would take a lot of tax to match a gap of $150. But, let me say something about taxes - nothing to do with any firm. I work freelance for ecommerce companies, some in the firearms space, some not. Everyone is moving to collect and pay sales tax on economic nexus, which is triggered, state by state, at different levels. Some by number of shipments into a state, some by gross revenue into that state, etc. And, those which do not, face some very harsh realities, as the states will look back to 2017 or 2019 and assess taxes, and I have seen and heard of this happening, and when it does, the tax bill is usually in the $100k's and can nearly put a business out of business. The larger guys, like Geissele, Euro Optic, Primary Arms, PSA, have been doing this for a year or two. The medium-sized businesses are pretty much just starting, and do it state by state. Maybe two or three states, maybe 10 or 15. It depends upon which states they meet the minimum. And, eBay and Gunbroker are doing it as well, as marketplaces have come under state requirements. Now, whether AU has met the minimums for your state, I would have no idea. What I gather is that their consumer market is pretty small, and their sales are mostly to law enforcement agencies and some wholesale (their web traffic can be measured, and it is very small). My guess is that they have not met the minimums for your state. AU may seem like a household name, but that is only amongst this audience here - Colt fans. Outside the diehard Colt fan, their consumer Web traffic is small. Bottom line: as online business grow, each will be collecting sales tax. That will add another overhead cost to otherwise small businesses, and maybe someone will figure out an easy way for small business to compliant. One brand I work with tells me they spend around $2,000 per month, just for sales tax compliance. This brand is a lot smaller than Primary Arms, but a little bigger than CCC or AU. Still, it adds up, just like credit card fees. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: Arms unlimited don't charge tax. They are cheaper then ccc Well, it would take a lot of tax to match a gap of $150. But, let me say something about taxes - nothing to do with any firm. I work freelance for ecommerce companies, some in the firearms space, some not. Everyone is moving to collect and pay sales tax on economic nexus, which is triggered, state by state, at different levels. Some by number of shipments into a state, some by gross revenue into that state, etc. And, those which do not, face some very harsh realities, as the states will look back to 2017 or 2019 and assess taxes, and I have seen and heard of this happening, and when it does, the tax bill is usually in the $100k's and can nearly put a business out of business. The larger guys, like Geissele, Euro Optic, Primary Arms, PSA, have been doing this for a year or two. The medium-sized businesses are pretty much just starting, and do it state by state. Maybe two or three states, maybe 10 or 15. It depends upon which states they meet the minimum. And, eBay and Gunbroker are doing it as well, as marketplaces have come under state requirements. Now, whether AU has met the minimums for your state, I would have no idea. What I gather is that their consumer market is pretty small, and their sales are mostly to law enforcement agencies and some wholesale (their web traffic can be measured, and it is very small). My guess is that they have not met the minimums for your state. AU may seem like a household name, but that is only amongst this audience here - Colt fans. Outside the diehard Colt fan, their consumer Web traffic is small. Bottom line: as online business grow, each will be collecting sales tax. That will add another overhead cost to otherwise small businesses, and maybe someone will figure out an easy way for small business to compliant. One brand I work with tells me they spend around $2,000 per month, just for sales tax compliance. This brand is a lot smaller than Primary Arms, but a little bigger than CCC or AU. Still, it adds up, just like credit card fees. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2022 11:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Well, it would take a lot of tax to match a gap of $150. 1% more than my state collects. |
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Posted: 9/4/2022 5:52:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Muricha]
[#35]
Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2022 4:41:04 PM EDT
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Anyone hear anything from AU?
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Posted: 9/6/2022 9:16:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By huey_crew_chief: Anyone hear anything from AU? Little birdy tells me they will start shipping tomorrow... |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2022 4:49:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tactical_dude: Little birdy tells me they will start shipping tomorrow... I am assuming from Colt? AU just told me that they haven't gotten any yet. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2022 7:06:29 PM EDT
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Order stuck in processing for a week now.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2022 7:25:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CYBIN: Order stuck in processing for a week now. same, not in a rush though |
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Posted: 9/8/2022 10:26:03 PM EDT
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For anyone wanting actual photos, here's a GB listing (not mine) for an M5 - unfortunately the lower just says "M5".
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/946854884 |
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Posted: 9/8/2022 10:42:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Muricha]
[#42]
Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2022 11:17:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dadasmithywinkle: For anyone wanting actual photos, here's a GB listing (not mine) for an M5 - unfortunately the lower just says "M5". https://www.gunbroker.com/item/946854884 Sometimes, I think Colt just likes trolling us with rifle and pistol markings. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2022 11:38:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Calibre45: Sometimes, I think Colt just likes trolling us with rifle and pistol markings. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2022 12:11:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: oxford411]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dadasmithywinkle: For anyone wanting actual photos, here's a GB listing (not mine) for an M5 - unfortunately the lower just says "M5". https://www.gunbroker.com/item/946854884 Kind of interesting that it has a “C” stamped upper. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2022 12:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oxford411: Kind of interesting that it has a “C” stamped upper. What he said. ^^^^^ |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2022 3:11:36 PM EDT
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I wonder how the upper is marked above the gas tube hole if at all
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Posted: 9/10/2022 2:51:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MGYSGT8541: Why is it that people bitch about markings on Colts but not any other AR's????? Colt is known for their specific markings and recently have been shit at being consistent with them so people get rightfully annoyed when the price is sometimes justified [for collectors and Colt enthusiasts] solely due to the markings. |
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Posted: 9/10/2022 2:23:52 PM EDT
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How does Colt get around not marking the caliber?
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2022 2:55:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tactical_dude: How does Colt get around not marking the caliber? Maybe because the barrel is marked? |
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