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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: So can you explain your dipshit comment?? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: Originally Posted By hypno02: Well I'm out. Those dipshits. He's not going to do it Gunny. Another drive by poster not really in the conversation. |
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Agreed. The profile combined with the long rail does make it front heavy. Especially after adding accessories. A crane stock goes a long way balancing it out. Overall I'm very happy with my M5.
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Originally Posted By CYBIN: Agreed. The profile combined with the long rail does make it front heavy. Especially after adding accessories. A crane stock goes a long way balancing it out. Overall I'm very happy with my M5. View Quote That’s what I was thinking. Thanks for sharing your firsthand experience! |
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The reason colt kept with the carbine gas is because it is Mil spec and militarily speaking it makes more sense. There isn't much difference between carbine and mid length like people say. I have both. If you like midlength then colt offers the 6960.
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: The reason colt kept with the carbine gas is because it is Mil spec and militarily speaking it makes more sense. There isn't much difference between carbine and mid length like people say. I have both. If you like midlength then colt offers the 6960. View Quote For a 16” gun? I mean, I don’t really buy that. In the end, it’s their choice. If it’s missing the 203 cutout, it’s a different barrel already. Why not just use a better barrel profile either middy or carbine? It is part of what keeps me from grabbing one. |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: Curious what the ‘best’ profile is or should have been? And why in newb terms. View Quote Anything other than a govt profile. Haha. I’m not a barrel snob by any means, but if you’re going to charge what they are charging, I wouldn’t go back to a govt profile. There are a lot out there. Some type of tapered profile? You can keep light and handy without sacrificing much. It’s a small criticism. |
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Originally Posted By wally05: Anything other than a govt profile. Haha. I’m not a barrel snob by any means, but if you’re going to charge what they are charging, I wouldn’t go back to a govt profile. There are a lot out there. Some type of tapered profile? You can keep light and handy without sacrificing much. It’s a small criticism. View Quote I'm a total barrel snob and it's the reason I didn't buy one of these. To answer the other poster's question thou The Gov profile is really old tech and never made sense in the first place, putting an M4 cut barrel under a handguard makes even less sense and not to stir up the shitstorm again but carbine gas systems are old tech as well. I get that there's a certain demographic that collects Colt and it seems most everyone here is okay with it but head off onto any of the other discussion groups and forums and that's the primary reason there isn't much interest for this weapon. As for what's cutting edge look at Black River Tactical or Centurion Arms barrels. Hammer forged with tapered bores, tapered barrels where it's thicker in the rear, custom length gas systems starting at 12.5" to optimize dwell time and gas port size. |
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Originally Posted By wally05: If it’s missing the 203 cutout, it’s a different barrel already. Why not just use a better barrel profile either middy or carbine? It is part of what keeps me from grabbing one. View Quote I agree with this on the barrel. If they wanted to keep the carbine gas, so be it. I’ll probably end up getting one at some point. I really wish they would offer it in a 14.5” P/W or a 10.3/11.5 pistol configuration. I’m not all that interested in a 16” barrel with a full length rail and like you said, the barrel profile isn’t really helping me get interested in it. |
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Originally Posted By oxford411: I agree with this on the barrel. If they wanted to keep the carbine gas, so be it. I’ll probably end up getting one at some point. I really wish they would offer it in a 14.5” P/W or a 10.3/11.5 pistol configuration. I’m not all that interested in a 16” barrel with a full length rail and like you said, the barrel profile isn’t really helping me get interested in it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By oxford411: Originally Posted By wally05: If it’s missing the 203 cutout, it’s a different barrel already. Why not just use a better barrel profile either middy or carbine? It is part of what keeps me from grabbing one. I agree with this on the barrel. If they wanted to keep the carbine gas, so be it. I’ll probably end up getting one at some point. I really wish they would offer it in a 14.5” P/W or a 10.3/11.5 pistol configuration. I’m not all that interested in a 16” barrel with a full length rail and like you said, the barrel profile isn’t really helping me get interested in it. Carbine gas system is my preferred, just my personal preference and to each their own. As for profile... I still say that Colt should have stuck with the Expanse line profile. Excellent in my opinion. EE LINK |
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Colt tried to keep the weapon light. That's why gov profile is ok. Unless you are rolling full auto then it really doesn't matter. Carbine gas is very proven. Someone stated that it's old technology the weapon is 50 years old. If you are looking for new technologies then go MCX. It's a great weapon. 1700$ isn't that bad for what you are getting. Get a 6960 if you want a middy. If you don't like it then don't get it. Simple.
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: Colt tried to keep the weapon light. That's why gov profile is ok. Unless you are rolling full auto then it really doesn't matter. Carbine gas is very proven. Someone stated that it's old technology the weapon is 50 years old. If you are looking for new technologies then go MCX. It's a great weapon. 1700$ isn't that bad for what you are getting. Get a 6960 if you want a middy. If you don't like it then don't get it. Simple. View Quote You can have lightweight and still do better than a govt profile. And a 6960 lacks the ambi lower and the different upper config. We can be critical of Colt’s choices. |
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Originally Posted By wally05: You can have lightweight and still do better than a govt profile. And a 6960 lacks the ambi lower and the different upper config. We can be critical of Colt’s choices. View Quote Yeah, look where the market is. Ask people what the top ARs are nowadays and you're going to hear LMT, KAC, Radeon, LWRC, PWS. Those manufactures can't keep guns in stock, these new Colts are available everywhere. Colt isn't even on the list of top tier anymore and that's a shame and it's because they not giving the market what they want. Ya'll are acting like we're attacking you personally or that I'm a Colt hater. I LOVE Colt! Colt was my first AR, a Colt 6520 is one of my favorite guns if for no other reason than nostalgia. I'm here in this sub because I was HYPED about the M5 when I heard about it. I want Colt to deliver a gun that everyone will go crazy over and the M5 was so close but the barrel fell short of modern standards. Yeah yeah yeah it's proven.. so were carburetors. |
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The Gov’t profile is not particularly light. Some of the newer tapered profiles are the same weight, but feel lighter because they balance further back. Its a pretty average weight profile. It doesn’t matter that the barrel is “milspec”, because it isn’t….its a 16” barrel of similar appearance to the legacy 14.5”s. Neither is the Colt M5, in general. At least not in the US.
BTW, most of the carbine-gassed M4s currently issued do not use Govt profile. Haven’t for a few years. Prolly not a huge deal, either way. I have Colts with both barrel types and enjoy them both, although they are 14.5”s. Its just discussion about preference… no reason to get bent out of shape. |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: Like most commodities, it will evolve. Expecting Colt to ‘nail it’ on its first release doesn’t jive with Colt’s pattern of doing anything for the civi market. Think about it. Colt release their first new model in (?) years under the scrutiny of new owners. Outside us ColtNuts it barely made a ripple. View Quote I was hoping And you’re correct there’s zero hype for this gun, go check out YouTube, Instagram or any of the AR groups on FB and it’s crickets. The exception was Reddit where there was a thread trashing the gun. Meanwhile half the posts are “LMT rifles in stock, hurry only 3 left” or “Where can I find a KAC wherever in stock?” |
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Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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-History will remember Snark as the language of ignorance.
-Fuck CHINA and Fauci for what they've done to this world. -All the fiction novels I once loved I now fear. FJB |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: For ‘Me’ they nailed it with the newly designed lower. I think they beefed it up in places that needed to be for the extra controls and associated (I assume pins). I’ve heard 1 critique on the lower and that’s a damn fine record around this place. Using the M5 as the basis for their future uppers which I’m confident will evolve has allot of potential. In different times I wouldn’t hesitate to buy a new M5. Different uppers will be along eventually. The potential of new uppers should be a focus for their AR platform. Big Boy Legos View Quote I really like the lower and only wish it had an ambi bolt hold open. |
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Originally Posted By joe_sun: I was hoping And you’re correct there’s zero hype for this gun, go check out YouTube, Instagram or any of the AR groups on FB and it’s crickets. The exception was Reddit where there was a thread trashing the gun. Meanwhile half the posts are “LMT rifles in stock, hurry only 3 left” or “Where can I find a KAC wherever in stock?” View Quote They’d have to get in on some sort of scarcity hype on social media, and have a theme that brings a certain number of users out on a cycle to make lemmings feel like they need it. Maybe post on Reddit with a caption of “M5 Monday”, but with like 10 users posting similar imitating pics at an interval to keep it near the top of whichever subreddit. And then on Tuesday a few someones would post “Am I Too Late for M5 Monday?”. Hype is weird. |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: They’d have to get in on some sort of scarcity hype on social media, and have a theme that brings a certain number of users out on a cycle to make lemmings feel like they need it. Maybe post on Reddit with a caption of “M5 Monday”, but with like 10 users posting similar imitating pics at an interval to keep it near the top of whichever subreddit. And then on Tuesday a few someones would post “Am I Too Late for M5 Monday?”. Hype is weird. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 1168RGR: Originally Posted By joe_sun: I was hoping And you’re correct there’s zero hype for this gun, go check out YouTube, Instagram or any of the AR groups on FB and it’s crickets. The exception was Reddit where there was a thread trashing the gun. Meanwhile half the posts are “LMT rifles in stock, hurry only 3 left” or “Where can I find a KAC wherever in stock?” They’d have to get in on some sort of scarcity hype on social media, and have a theme that brings a certain number of users out on a cycle to make lemmings feel like they need it. Maybe post on Reddit with a caption of “M5 Monday”, but with like 10 users posting similar imitating pics at an interval to keep it near the top of whichever subreddit. And then on Tuesday a few someones would post “Am I Too Late for M5 Monday?”. Hype is weird. I'm of the ones that didn't need any hype. I started hands-on with the 'original' Colt M16A2 & an M16A1 (the reason I own the AR15 today *Armalite). I'd admit, I do like the nostalgia! Though, facts: Colt function/ accuracy is on par with any other(s) popular name manufacturer. They do what their designed to do. Blah blah ...blah blah. Disclaimer: I own an Colt M5 and haven't fired it yet. Bets are the function/ accuracy is above exceptional. ETA: may have missed the point, Colt's marketing strategy sucks for its civilian customer. And ... M5 barrel profile, not meeting the likes of 'today's modern barrel profiles' Good morning, have a nice day! |
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It’s Colt. I love Colt firearms and also know that Colt is pretty tone deaf and behind the times with regard to the commercial market. They always have been.
The M5 is still awesome even with a gov profile barrel. The carbine vs mid length gas system debate is just mental masturbation in my opinion. A proper taper contoured 16” mid length gas barrel is preferred, but lack of this doesn’t make the M5 a non-starter. Colt carbine gas M4s and M4A1s have been performing admirably and reliably for several decades. The M4A1 socom profile barrel is still my favorite general purpose barrel. Colt also should have added the removable steel bearing surface in the upper ala 694x. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: I'm of the ones that didn't need any hype. I started hands-on with the 'original' Colt M16A2 & an M16A1 (the reason I own the AR15 today *Armalite). I'd admit, I do like the nostalgia! Though, facts: Colt function/ accuracy is on par with any other(s) popular name manufacturer. They do what their designed to do. Blah blah ...blah blah. Disclaimer: I own an Colt M5 and haven't fired it yet. Bets are the function/ accuracy is above exceptional. ETA: may have missed the point, Colt's marketing strategy sucks for its civilian customer. And ... M5 barrel profile, not meeting the likes of 'today's modern barrel profiles' Good morning, have a nice day! View Quote Probably best that Colt has NO marketing strategy at all. It seems like marketing strategy is getting gun manufacturers sued lately, ala Remington and now just last week S&W. Build the guns, sell the guns and say little about it. Just what their doing. |
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Originally Posted By OTDR: Probably best that Colt has NO marketing strategy at all. It seems like marketing strategy is getting gun manufacturers sued lately, ala Remington and now just last week S&W. Build the guns, sell the guns and say little about it. Just what their doing. View Quote 100% this. I don't like it anymore than others. I like to collect manuals and advertising also, but that is the target of anti-gunners right now. Sig Sauer just had an advertising lawsuit filed against them in the last week or two also. |
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-History will remember Snark as the language of ignorance.
-Fuck CHINA and Fauci for what they've done to this world. -All the fiction novels I once loved I now fear. FJB |
Originally Posted By 1168RGR: The Gov't profile is not particularly light. Some of the newer tapered profiles are the same weight, but feel lighter because they balance further back. Its a pretty average weight profile. It doesn't matter that the barrel is "milspec", because it isn't .its a 16" barrel of similar appearance to the legacy 14.5"s. Neither is the Colt M5, in general. At least not in the US. BTW, most of the carbine-gassed M4s currently issued do not use Govt profile. Haven't for a few years. Prolly not a huge deal, either way. I have Colts with both barrel types and enjoy them both, although they are 14.5"s. Its just discussion about preference no reason to get bent out of shape. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: He's not going to do it Gunny. Another drive by poster not really in the conversation. View Quote I like colts as much as the next guy but it’s 2022 and the govt profile barrel has been proven to be a completely backwards “innovation”. Give me one good reason colt should have used the gov profile barrel on this rifle instead of a socom. Give me the drive by bishop. |
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Originally Posted By hypno02: I like colts as much as the next guy but it's 2022 and the govt profile barrel has been proven to be a completely backwards "innovation". Give me one good reason colt should have used the gov profile barrel on this rifle instead of a socom. Give me the drive by bishop. View Quote |
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Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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-History will remember Snark as the language of ignorance.
-Fuck CHINA and Fauci for what they've done to this world. -All the fiction novels I once loved I now fear. FJB |
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Am I supposed to not be happy with the barrel profile now? My goodness, it's a 16" barrel folks! Can't get an M5 SBR (yet) I'm not going to complain. Snap on upper of choice. I bet after this run its a toss up whenever we see these again.
What I do need is the optimum optic for an M5. I'm thinking that could be a TA33 w/RMR because reasons. Any ideas 💡 for marrying a compatible optic? |
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Originally Posted By hypno02: I like colts as much as the next guy but it’s 2022 and the govt profile barrel has been proven to be a completely backwards “innovation”. Give me one good reason colt should have used the gov profile barrel on this rifle instead of a socom. Give me the drive by bishop. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hypno02: Originally Posted By Bishop3: He's not going to do it Gunny. Another drive by poster not really in the conversation. I like colts as much as the next guy but it’s 2022 and the govt profile barrel has been proven to be a completely backwards “innovation”. Give me one good reason colt should have used the gov profile barrel on this rifle instead of a socom. Give me the drive by bishop. I'm glad we're on the same page. Colt didn't ask you or me what barrel profile we wanted (profit). Could've, should've, would've but Colt did not ask us in this latest release. Also I'd note that I honestly didn't buy the M5 for its barrel profile (didn't know prior to purchase) though I do have a few socom barreled carbines already. I purchased for no other reasons than the newish ambi-lower similar to the CM762 & of course I like Colts. I do agree, today there may be better barrel profile choices for a 16". I really liked how the 6960 mid-length balanced for me with the lightened profile. I bet after this run it will be sometime before we even see the M5 again. My 'drive by' sir. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: What I do need is the optimum optic for an M5. I'm thinking that could be a TA33 w/RMR because reasons. Any ideas 💡 for marrying a compatible optic? View Quote Can't say what's optimum for your intended use....but these look to be adequate kit. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: I'm glad we're on the same page. Colt didn't ask you or me what barrel profile we wanted (profit). Could've, should've, would've but Colt did not ask us in this latest release. Also I'd note that I honestly didn't buy the M5 for its barrel profile (didn't know prior to purchase) though I do have a few socom barreled carbines already. I purchased for no other reasons than the newish ambi-lower similar to the CM762 & of course I like Colts. I do agree, today there may be better barrel profile choices for a 16". I really liked how the 6960 mid-length balanced for me with the lightened profile. I bet after this run it will be sometime before we even see the M5 again. My 'drive by' sir. View Quote I'm looking at this rifle from the point of view of: "It it has a socom profile barrel it may be worth the cost." Otherwise I'm buying a DD upper. Colt knowingly put a barrel with a downright pointless profile in this rifle and expected people to buy it because they're oblivious and ignorant of the actual innovation happening in the industry. |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: @MGYSGT8541 Hey Sarge. Some issue you have with Me, say it like a Marine. Otherwise, GET OFF MY ASS. This ain't GD and I'm tired of your opinions 'of me'. Another option. Pry $27 out and buy a membership. 'Click' I'm ignored and you never see me again. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: I'm not going to call out your BS troll post. You need to clean your own shit up. The post was bad. You continue to post stupid shit. Raise your standards. Add something to the forum. You have to be better. It's embarrassing to see you posting crap posts. Next time just attempt it. Don't Argue with me post something relevant that will add to the post. Reread your posts. They are bad and bring nothing to the table. View Quote Bad post. Dumb. Barely literate. Raise your standards. You have to be better, it’s embarrassing. |
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Originally Posted By CountyWorker: Bad post. Dumb. Barely literate. Raise your standards. You have to be better, it’s embarrassing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CountyWorker: Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: I'm not going to call out your BS troll post. You need to clean your own shit up. The post was bad. You continue to post stupid shit. Raise your standards. Add something to the forum. You have to be better. It's embarrassing to see you posting crap posts. Next time just attempt it. Don't Argue with me post something relevant that will add to the post. Reread your posts. They are bad and bring nothing to the table. Bad post. Dumb. Barely literate. Raise your standards. You have to be better, it’s embarrassing. Not going to lie....that made me laugh out loud. |
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Just saw the first review of the M5.
It’s on Utube New Colt M5 rifle - Not worth the money - QC issues Military Arms Channel (link for mobiles)^^^ I knew there would be some interest in this. |
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-History will remember Snark as the language of ignorance.
-Fuck CHINA and Fauci for what they've done to this world. -All the fiction novels I once loved I now fear. FJB |
Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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-History will remember Snark as the language of ignorance.
-Fuck CHINA and Fauci for what they've done to this world. -All the fiction novels I once loved I now fear. FJB |
I might have missed it but, any markings on the barrels?
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Originally Posted By CYBIN: Harsh review. For those at work. Here are MAC's criticisms: Flashing on lower receiver. Loose gas ring. Proprietary barrel nut. Shoots too smooth. Price FWIW mine does have the flashing. Didn't bother me at all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CYBIN: Originally Posted By Muricha: Just saw the first review of the M5. Harsh review. For those at work. Here are MAC's criticisms: Flashing on lower receiver. Loose gas ring. Proprietary barrel nut. Shoots too smooth. Price FWIW mine does have the flashing. Didn't bother me at all. The horror! (Never was a fan of MAC or SAS though, so there's that.) |
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Can't never could 'til try came along.
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Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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-History will remember Snark as the language of ignorance.
-Fuck CHINA and Fauci for what they've done to this world. -All the fiction novels I once loved I now fear. FJB |
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