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Originally Posted By Muricha: Of those who’ve had time to inspect their M5 Colt, Is the patent ####### from the 6940 area milled off on e everyone’s? NIB as of today 6943 as example of patent ##### area. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467962/D6AFC606-88E2-4CC7-B811-6CEC0B8B14DD_jpe-2550527.JPG View Quote Pic one page back. |
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There is no milled area on mine. The raised area by the rail is also octagonal on the M5
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Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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I could only watch a few minutes of Tim's "review". Such shilling for Sig Sauer, LWRC and then Sightmark...too much to handle. Talk about the Colt M5 without being a commercial for your paid endorsements. I mean come on man!
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For the most part, I feel Tim gave a reasonable review. You do expect more typically from a 2k firearm.
Having said that, watching the market dynamics for the M5 playout has been interesting. Gun Broker has them listed anywhere from 1700 to 2050. They don't seem to be selling too much. Arms Unlimited dropped their price to 1795 and apparently haven't sold one for several days based on my shopping cart tracking. This mediocre sales performance doesn't bode well for the future of the product line. I need to hurry it up and save up money and get one before it is too late. |
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MM,
I think this is a sign of the failing of the economy at this time. Money for everyone has had to contract and be allocated to the essentials. Colt released this new rifle at a time when people had to think "do I really need this". I am glad they did this and will be picking one up soon. |
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Originally Posted By drw1006: MM, I think this is a sign of the failing of the economy at this time. Money for everyone has had to contract and be allocated to the essentials. Colt released this new rifle at a time when people had to think "do I really need this". I am glad they did this and will be picking one up soon. View Quote This really describes how I feel. I don’t need another 16” rifle. I’m right handed, don’t need ambi controls. Also DD just released a new 16” rifle with ambi lower and new RIS 3 rail. Pricing is a bit more at $2275. I’m glad Colt released it and it’s nice to see some variety among current offerings. Hope to pick one up sooner rather than later. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: For the most part, I feel Tim gave a reasonable review. You do expect more typically from a 2k firearm. Having said that, watching the market dynamics for the M5 playout has been interesting. Gun Broker has them listed anywhere from 1700 to 2050. They don't seem to be selling too much. Arms Unlimited dropped their price to 1795 and apparently haven't sold one for several days based on my shopping cart tracking. This mediocre sales performance doesn't bode well for the future of the product line. I need to hurry it up and save up money and get one before it is too late. View Quote lol, we think a like as I have been doing the same thing. |
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Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: For the most part, I feel Tim gave a reasonable review. You do expect more typically from a 2k firearm. Having said that, watching the market dynamics for the M5 playout has been interesting. Gun Broker has them listed anywhere from 1700 to 2050. They don't seem to be selling too much. Arms Unlimited dropped their price to 1795 and apparently haven't sold one for several days based on my shopping cart tracking. This mediocre sales performance doesn't bode well for the future of the product line. I need to hurry it up and save up money and get one before it is too late. View Quote In my first post in this thread, I was asking if you guys really thought it was a $2K rifle. I might spring for one at $1700. For $1500, I would get two. Even then, I would half be expecting a good two stage trigger, and I would definitely prefer a pair of Colt 30 or 20 round mags instead of PMAGs. At this point, the proprietariness (Is that a word?) of it is what is making me shy away. It is also most likely the reason the price is so high. |
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Originally Posted By H53EXPERT: In my first post in this thread, I was asking if you guys really thought it was a $2K rifle. I might spring for one at $1700. For $1500, I would get two. Even then, I would half be expecting a good two stage trigger, and I would definitely prefer a pair of Colt 30 or 20 round mags instead of PMAGs. At this point, the proprietariness (Is that a word?) of it is what is making me shy away. It is also most likely the reason the price is so high. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By H53EXPERT: Originally Posted By Minuteman1636: For the most part, I feel Tim gave a reasonable review. You do expect more typically from a 2k firearm. Having said that, watching the market dynamics for the M5 playout has been interesting. Gun Broker has them listed anywhere from 1700 to 2050. They don't seem to be selling too much. Arms Unlimited dropped their price to 1795 and apparently haven't sold one for several days based on my shopping cart tracking. This mediocre sales performance doesn't bode well for the future of the product line. I need to hurry it up and save up money and get one before it is too late. In my first post in this thread, I was asking if you guys really thought it was a $2K rifle. I might spring for one at $1700. For $1500, I would get two. Even then, I would half be expecting a good two stage trigger, and I would definitely prefer a pair of Colt 30 or 20 round mags instead of PMAGs. At this point, the proprietariness (Is that a word?) of it is what is making me shy away. It is also most likely the reason the price is so high. Has Colt ever put a premium two stage trigger in its build specification? That alone I think could make up for the money spent. I want more for my money. I suppose the price for the M5 will make $1700 range retail. M5 proprietary parts, like the 901 series, may be difficult to come by for cheap in the future. What parts that are not the standard AR parts could you possibly need? Barrel extension, barrel nut, bolt lock/release controls, upper receiver, rail etc? Maybe Colt will run production on the CM762 again. |
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: The Marine Corps used the M4 gov profile mostly. Some M4A1's mixed in but not a ton. Obviously the M27 is big time in use but regular M4 is too. View Quote “Used” is the operative word. USMC Raiders are using DI guns, but not Gov profile. The CSOs carry Mk18s with the newer “SOCOM” profile. The Raiders with M4a1s also have the newer profile barrels. Its been like this for years. I promise I’m not just googling this. |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: “Used” is the operative word. USMC Raiders are using DI guns, but not Gov profile. The CSOs carry Mk18s with the newer “SOCOM” profile. The Raiders with M4a1s also have the newer profile barrels. Its been like this for years. I promise I’m not just googling this. View Quote Most USMC M4s are gov profile. Raiders are the exception, not the rule. |
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Originally Posted By drw1006: I could only watch a few minutes of Tim's "review". Such shilling for Sig Sauer, LWRC and then Sightmark...too much to handle. Talk about the Colt M5 without being a commercial for your paid endorsements. I mean come on man! View Quote I usually like his vids a lot. But he must have something against colt.. he did a good job months ago exaggerating the Colts outsourced parts drama… The gas ring thing is disappointing but I couldn’t care less about the forging flash.. all my pony have that in the trigger area. What else.. the 2k price? It’s a new product mrsp are always high at the beginning. And seems adeguate compared to other Colt AR models. |
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Originally Posted By drw1006: MM, I think this is a sign of the failing of the economy at this time. Money for everyone has had to contract and be allocated to the essentials. Colt released this new rifle at a time when people had to think "do I really need this". I am glad they did this and will be picking one up soon. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Frens: I usually like his vids a lot. But he must have something against colt.. he did a good job months ago exaggerating the Colts outsourced parts drama The gas ring thing is disappointing but I couldn't care less about the forging flash.. all my pony have that in the trigger area. What else.. the 2k price? It's a new product mrsp are always high at the beginning. And seems adeguate compared to other Colt AR models. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By AK-12: Most USMC M4s are gov profile. Raiders are the exception, not the rule. View Quote Serious question: with the fielding of the M27, what Marine grunts are using Gov’t profile M4’s? The only ones I’ve worked with directly have had the new barrels. Even Navy and Army Reserve POGs have “SOCOM” profile barrels. National Guard guns, too. Hell, I grabbed a spare medical staff gun from the Armsroom on a Navy base and even it had a “SOCOM” profile barrel. I’ve seen ROTC kids with them, too, doing their summer camp thing. The only time I’ve seen a “Govt” profile barrel in the past few years is on a Colt barrel and a Colt gun that I purchased separately on the civvie market. |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: Serious question: with the fielding of the M27, what Marine grunts are using Gov’t profile M4’s? The only ones I’ve worked with directly have had the new barrels. Even Navy and Army Reserve POGs have “SOCOM” profile barrels. National Guard guns, too. Hell, I grabbed a spare medical staff gun from the Armsroom on a Navy base and even it had a “SOCOM” profile barrel. I’ve seen ROTC kids with them, too, doing their summer camp thing. The only time I’ve seen a “Govt” profile barrel in the past few years is on a Colt barrel and a Colt gun that I purchased separately on the civvie market. View Quote Now we're specifically qualifying with "grunt units." Prior to the M27 fielding, the only guys in an infantry battalion with T/O M4A1s were scout sniper platoons. Everyone else? M4, after they got rid of M16A4s in 2015. Hell there are still plenty of M16A4s issued to Marines as T/O weapons. Government profile barrels are still in widespread use. |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: Of those who've had time to inspect their M5 Colt, Is the patent ####### from the 6940 area milled off on e everyone's? NIB as of today 6943 as example of patent ##### area. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467962/D6AFC606-88E2-4CC7-B811-6CEC0B8B14DD_jpe-2550527.JPG View Quote |
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Colt M5 CM5 Sentry 16" Carbine with ambi lower and M-LOK rail 2022 edition |
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: It's not much to ask people to post something relevant to the post instead of trolling. Instead of laughing, try to clean the thread up. Usually you post better. View Quote Clean up your own back yard before handing out pointers. That'd be my advice. Your quality posts are what prompted the derail, after all. (And that post was both entertaining and accurate.) Now.....how about more Colt's /less drama? Anybody |
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Originally Posted By AK-12: Now we're specifically qualifying with "grunt units." Prior to the M27 fielding, the only guys in an infantry battalion with T/O M4A1s were scout sniper platoons. Everyone else? M4, after they got rid of M16A4s in 2015. Hell there are still plenty of M16A4s issued to Marines as T/O weapons. Government profile barrels are still in widespread use. View Quote Not sure what the eyeroll was for, but thanks. My point is, Gov’t profile barrels are not really a selling point, and they aren’t the only way to make a military barrel. I mean, read what you just wrote, in the context of a more modern rifle like the M5. Using USMC as an example (I didn’t bring them up, MasterGuns did) if we have to reach so far as to bring up M16A4s, when talking about an “improved” rifle, I think the MARSOC M4’s are a better example. Gov’t profile barrels existing doesn’t automatically make them my first choice. Its not like this is a clone gun for a specific era. We’re talking about Colt’s attempt to modernize. “It’s milspec” is not a rational reason to use a 16” Gov’t profile barrel. I still find this rifle interesting. I’ll probably buy a SBR model if it becomes available. |
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MM,
You have been voted in as the moderator of this forum. Who needs to simmer down? We will concede to your decision. |
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Originally Posted By drw1006: MM, You have been voted in as the moderator of this forum. Who needs to simmer down? We will concede to your decision. View Quote Lol, I appreciate the vote of confidence but I'm not the teacher with whistle watching over the students. I just sit back and wait for normal conversation to return before adding anything more to a discussion. I don't have time to sift through the nonsense to find the meaningful discussion material so I just stay away until it seems the arguing is over. |
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Fair enough. Let's keep this thread, started by MM on the topic of the new Colt M5. Those who have them and can answer questions put forth, feel free.
Has anyone, in this thread, had the time to shoot their's yet? |
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Not yet. Still shopping for an optic. Was leaning towards the new compact PLX.
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Originally Posted By drw1006: Fair enough. Let's keep this thread, started by MM on the topic of the new Colt M5. Those who have them and can answer questions put forth, feel free. Has anyone, in this thread, had the time to shoot their's yet? View Quote the M5 shot very nice. Such a soft shooter. I cannot tell the difference between the 2 weapons recoil wise. I shot about 140 rounds through it. Mk318 Mod 1, M193, LE223T3 and SP1. All federal loads. I also used Magpul G2-G3 and Lancer mags. I put a Holosun 510c reddot on the M5. I shot gongs out to 200 yds. 50, 100, 200 yards. It shot very accurate. With a real optic and match loads this is a 1 MOA gun. No malfunctions at all. I don't hate MAC. He did seem like he was picking apart the gun though. Why do some complain about flashing? If someone wants a cosmetically perfect gun then Colt isn't the way to go. By the way my bolt didn't have the issues MAC's did with the gas rings. I checked them out this am prior to shooting and lubing. I also don't have an issue with Gov profile. It works fine. I tend to like pencil barrels a lot. The 6960. Is in between pencil and Gov. the gun is priced in the low 1700's now so hopefully people will stop with the "it's a 2000$ gun" |
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541: I shot mine this am. I also shot it next to my 6960. I put a LaRue MBT in the M5 ( most of my weapons have them or Geiselle. the M5 shot very nice. Such a soft shooter. I cannot tell the difference between the 2 weapons recoil wise. I shot about 140 rounds through it. Mk318 Mod 1, M193, LE223T3 and SP1. All federal loads. I also used Magpul G2-G3 and Lancer mags. I put a Holosun 510c reddot on the M5. I shot gongs out to 200 yds. 50, 100, 200 yards. It shot very accurate. With a real optic and match loads this is a 1 MOA gun. No malfunctions at all. I don't hate MAC. He did seem like he was picking apart the gun though. Why do some complain about flashing? If someone wants a cosmetically perfect gun then Colt isn't the way to go. By the way my bolt didn't have the issues MAC's did with the gas rings. I checked them out this am prior to shooting and lubing. I also don't have an issue with Gov profile. It works fine. I tend to like pencil barrels a lot. The 6960. Is in between pencil and Gov. the gun is priced in the low 1700's now so hopefully people will stop with the "it's a 2000$ gun" View Quote Thanks for the report. Yeah, the price seems reasonable, given the times, and the proprietary stuff that adds manufacturing cost. It’d be silly to expect this to be super cheap. Do you have plans to put any magnified glass on yours? |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: Not sure what the eyeroll was for, but thanks. My point is, Gov’t profile barrels are not really a selling point, and they aren’t the only way to make a military barrel. I mean, read what you just wrote, in the context of a more modern rifle like the M5. Using USMC as an example (I didn’t bring them up, MasterGuns did) if we have to reach so far as to bring up M16A4s, when talking about an “improved” rifle, I think the MARSOC M4’s are a better example. Gov’t profile barrels existing doesn’t automatically make them my first choice. Its not like this is a clone gun for a specific era. We’re talking about Colt’s attempt to modernize. “It’s milspec” is not a rational reason to use a 16” Gov’t profile barrel. I still find this rifle interesting. I’ll probably buy a SBR model if it becomes available. View Quote Your post (i.e. the word "used") suggested that most M4s in service had SOCOM vs gov profile barrels, and used Raiders as an example. Raiders have all kinds of shit that the rest of the Marine Corps doesn't, and Recon does as well to a lesser extent. They are the exception rather than the rule, and prior to the M27 fielding to replace the M4, the only dudes in a regular infantry battalion who had M4A1s were SS platoon. The M27 doesn't use either profile barrel so it can't really be used as an example, but if you look at the MLG, Wing, etc... most M4s have the gov profile barrel. On the subject of which is better, the SOCOM profile is in most aspects except for maybe weight, but IMHO people on this site make weight out to be a bigger deal than it is. My speculation is that as a rifle designed for military sales, the added benefits of the SOCOM aren't big enough to warrant whatever added cost there may be. I agree that a consistent barrel taper would make more sense on a rifle like this coming from a clean sheet design perspective. As it stands I'm interested in one of these, but the price is a little high for a right handed dude who doesn't stand to benefit from the ambi controls, especially when I can get an OEM for half the cost. |
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Originally Posted By DieselII: Now I'm not in love with 16" barrels , as 14.5 pinned is preferable , so not sure how I will move forward . The lower is really what I was after . If they make 14.5 uppers available I will be all over that for sure , otherwise I am seriously contemplating having my spare 6940 barrel cut down and cutting the handguard down to match - as having this as a 'factory' 14.5 upper would be most excellent . View Quote The issue with cutting the rail is going to be an “open” part in a section of slot. Probably not a big deal but it will be noticeable. |
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Originally Posted By oxford411: The issue with cutting the rail is going to be an "open" part in a section of slot. Probably not a big deal but it will be noticeable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By oxford411: Originally Posted By DieselII: Now I'm not in love with 16" barrels , as 14.5 pinned is preferable , so not sure how I will move forward . The lower is really what I was after . If they make 14.5 uppers available I will be all over that for sure , otherwise I am seriously contemplating having my spare 6940 barrel cut down and cutting the handguard down to match - as having this as a 'factory' 14.5 upper would be most excellent . The issue with cutting the rail is going to be an "open" part in a section of slot. Probably not a big deal but it will be noticeable. If I think about it enough I won't do it - so I probably won't ! We will see ... Would've been nice if it came with the friggin' M-Lok rails , and could hide the open sections , hmmm .. |
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Originally Posted By DieselII: Picked mine up last night ... ugh ... 1st - they laughed me out of the shop ... gov. profile they said , hah ! That's so played out they scoffed ! Old tech , they proclaimed ! 2nd - mocked me for not spending 3x as much for a KAC , or anything other than a Colt really ... 'cause a Colt for $2k ?? are you kidding me ! Then - got home and started handling my upsetting purchase and noticed blood all over the place ! Fucking 'flashing' cut me all up ! Dammit !! After that .. - disassembled , after cleaning all the blood ! , and the fucking bolt blew up in my hand and I got a gas ring in the fucking eye !! Fuck me !! Crap - stupid Magpul stock , that everyone uses , has a forge mark on it and it wiggles - wtf ! To add to that - flipped the gun over and the sights fell off and broke my pinky toe ... both on the same toe ! I cried for a while and then went to bed ... seriously though ... this might be the cleanest factory Colt rifle I have received - no imperfections at all , anywhere on the gun ! happy to have gotten in on this one and can't wait to shoot it - feels comfortable and balances well out of the box . very nice . Also - this is intentional in my opinion : https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/C8BD5D85-6291-4490-835F-3A09D228955B-2551692.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/4B23E8A3-A549-484A-9A09-AD2FA57B5A9B-2551693.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/2BAFE8C9-D83D-4494-BB01-A96302D1EB76-2551707.jpg I wouldn't even call that a flashing , more like it was forged that way and the decision to leave was made ... Not that it even makes a damn bit of difference . I have Colt lowers with no 'flashing' and some with some leftovers , however none this prominent . Now I'm not in love with 16" barrels , as 14.5 pinned is preferable , so not sure how I will move forward . The lower is really what I was after . If they make 14.5 uppers available I will be all over that for sure , otherwise I am seriously contemplating having my spare 6940 barrel cut down and cutting the handguard down to match - as having this as a 'factory' 14.5 upper would be most excellent . Can always swap with one of Geissele railed Socom uppers though so I will hold on the above for now ... In the meantime I see an SD-C trigger going in and probably an MRO on top for now , or an Acog/RMR/RD ... we will see ! However , with no 'T' marks I am not sure where to mount anything ... Probably will take the CH off as well and store that away due to the Colt logo ... have plenty of others I can use . I love this place - sometimes though .... eta - MAC is a tool , and why he is relevant is silly ... plus , if I am not mistaken , a fucking thief . wish I didn't watch that video , but then wouldn't have been able to post the stupid above ... View Quote That forge flashing.....damn! |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: That forge flashing.....damn! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By DieselII: Picked mine up last night ... ugh ... 1st - they laughed me out of the shop ... gov. profile they said , hah ! That's so played out they scoffed ! Old tech , they proclaimed ! 2nd - mocked me for not spending 3x as much for a KAC , or anything other than a Colt really ... 'cause a Colt for $2k ?? are you kidding me ! Then - got home and started handling my upsetting purchase and noticed blood all over the place ! Fucking 'flashing' cut me all up ! Dammit !! After that .. - disassembled , after cleaning all the blood ! , and the fucking bolt blew up in my hand and I got a gas ring in the fucking eye !! Fuck me !! Crap - stupid Magpul stock , that everyone uses , has a forge mark on it and it wiggles - wtf ! To add to that - flipped the gun over and the sights fell off and broke my pinky toe ... both on the same toe ! I cried for a while and then went to bed ... seriously though ... this might be the cleanest factory Colt rifle I have received - no imperfections at all , anywhere on the gun ! happy to have gotten in on this one and can't wait to shoot it - feels comfortable and balances well out of the box . very nice . Also - this is intentional in my opinion : https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/C8BD5D85-6291-4490-835F-3A09D228955B-2551692.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/4B23E8A3-A549-484A-9A09-AD2FA57B5A9B-2551693.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/2BAFE8C9-D83D-4494-BB01-A96302D1EB76-2551707.jpg I wouldn't even call that a flashing , more like it was forged that way and the decision to leave was made ... Not that it even makes a damn bit of difference . I have Colt lowers with no 'flashing' and some with some leftovers , however none this prominent . Now I'm not in love with 16" barrels , as 14.5 pinned is preferable , so not sure how I will move forward . The lower is really what I was after . If they make 14.5 uppers available I will be all over that for sure , otherwise I am seriously contemplating having my spare 6940 barrel cut down and cutting the handguard down to match - as having this as a 'factory' 14.5 upper would be most excellent . Can always swap with one of Geissele railed Socom uppers though so I will hold on the above for now ... In the meantime I see an SD-C trigger going in and probably an MRO on top for now , or an Acog/RMR/RD ... we will see ! However , with no 'T' marks I am not sure where to mount anything ... Probably will take the CH off as well and store that away due to the Colt logo ... have plenty of others I can use . I love this place - sometimes though .... eta - MAC is a tool , and why he is relevant is silly ... plus , if I am not mistaken , a fucking thief . wish I didn't watch that video , but then wouldn't have been able to post the stupid above ... That forge flashing.....damn! |
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Originally Posted By DieselII: All that work to make the receiver what it is and they leave it there's so much metal there though man , makes you want to ask why . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DieselII: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By DieselII: Picked mine up last night ... ugh ... 1st - they laughed me out of the shop ... gov. profile they said , hah ! That's so played out they scoffed ! Old tech , they proclaimed ! 2nd - mocked me for not spending 3x as much for a KAC , or anything other than a Colt really ... 'cause a Colt for $2k ?? are you kidding me ! Then - got home and started handling my upsetting purchase and noticed blood all over the place ! Fucking 'flashing' cut me all up ! Dammit !! After that .. - disassembled , after cleaning all the blood ! , and the fucking bolt blew up in my hand and I got a gas ring in the fucking eye !! Fuck me !! Crap - stupid Magpul stock , that everyone uses , has a forge mark on it and it wiggles - wtf ! To add to that - flipped the gun over and the sights fell off and broke my pinky toe ... both on the same toe ! I cried for a while and then went to bed ... seriously though ... this might be the cleanest factory Colt rifle I have received - no imperfections at all , anywhere on the gun ! happy to have gotten in on this one and can't wait to shoot it - feels comfortable and balances well out of the box . very nice . Also - this is intentional in my opinion : https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/C8BD5D85-6291-4490-835F-3A09D228955B-2551692.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/4B23E8A3-A549-484A-9A09-AD2FA57B5A9B-2551693.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/2BAFE8C9-D83D-4494-BB01-A96302D1EB76-2551707.jpg I wouldn't even call that a flashing , more like it was forged that way and the decision to leave was made ... Not that it even makes a damn bit of difference . I have Colt lowers with no 'flashing' and some with some leftovers , however none this prominent . Now I'm not in love with 16" barrels , as 14.5 pinned is preferable , so not sure how I will move forward . The lower is really what I was after . If they make 14.5 uppers available I will be all over that for sure , otherwise I am seriously contemplating having my spare 6940 barrel cut down and cutting the handguard down to match - as having this as a 'factory' 14.5 upper would be most excellent . Can always swap with one of Geissele railed Socom uppers though so I will hold on the above for now ... In the meantime I see an SD-C trigger going in and probably an MRO on top for now , or an Acog/RMR/RD ... we will see ! However , with no 'T' marks I am not sure where to mount anything ... Probably will take the CH off as well and store that away due to the Colt logo ... have plenty of others I can use . I love this place - sometimes though .... eta - MAC is a tool , and why he is relevant is silly ... plus , if I am not mistaken , a fucking thief . wish I didn't watch that video , but then wouldn't have been able to post the stupid above ... That forge flashing.....damn! Agreed. It looks to be damn near 1/8". Or is it just the pics? Either way, I've yet to see anything remotely close in comparison. |
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Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Agreed. It looks to be damn near 1/8". Or is it just the pics? Either way, I've yet to see anything remotely close in comparison. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By DieselII: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By DieselII: Picked mine up last night ... ugh ... 1st - they laughed me out of the shop ... gov. profile they said , hah ! That's so played out they scoffed ! Old tech , they proclaimed ! 2nd - mocked me for not spending 3x as much for a KAC , or anything other than a Colt really ... 'cause a Colt for $2k ?? are you kidding me ! Then - got home and started handling my upsetting purchase and noticed blood all over the place ! Fucking 'flashing' cut me all up ! Dammit !! After that .. - disassembled , after cleaning all the blood ! , and the fucking bolt blew up in my hand and I got a gas ring in the fucking eye !! Fuck me !! Crap - stupid Magpul stock , that everyone uses , has a forge mark on it and it wiggles - wtf ! To add to that - flipped the gun over and the sights fell off and broke my pinky toe ... both on the same toe ! I cried for a while and then went to bed ... seriously though ... this might be the cleanest factory Colt rifle I have received - no imperfections at all , anywhere on the gun ! happy to have gotten in on this one and can't wait to shoot it - feels comfortable and balances well out of the box . very nice . Also - this is intentional in my opinion : https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/C8BD5D85-6291-4490-835F-3A09D228955B-2551692.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/4B23E8A3-A549-484A-9A09-AD2FA57B5A9B-2551693.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/2BAFE8C9-D83D-4494-BB01-A96302D1EB76-2551707.jpg I wouldn't even call that a flashing , more like it was forged that way and the decision to leave was made ... Not that it even makes a damn bit of difference . I have Colt lowers with no 'flashing' and some with some leftovers , however none this prominent . Now I'm not in love with 16" barrels , as 14.5 pinned is preferable , so not sure how I will move forward . The lower is really what I was after . If they make 14.5 uppers available I will be all over that for sure , otherwise I am seriously contemplating having my spare 6940 barrel cut down and cutting the handguard down to match - as having this as a 'factory' 14.5 upper would be most excellent . Can always swap with one of Geissele railed Socom uppers though so I will hold on the above for now ... In the meantime I see an SD-C trigger going in and probably an MRO on top for now , or an Acog/RMR/RD ... we will see ! However , with no 'T' marks I am not sure where to mount anything ... Probably will take the CH off as well and store that away due to the Colt logo ... have plenty of others I can use . I love this place - sometimes though .... eta - MAC is a tool , and why he is relevant is silly ... plus , if I am not mistaken , a fucking thief . wish I didn't watch that video , but then wouldn't have been able to post the stupid above ... That forge flashing.....damn! Agreed. It looks to be damn near 1/8". Or is it just the pics? Either way, I've yet to see anything remotely close in comparison. Could it have anything to do with union labor? Union labor isn't cheap right? The justification may be just that, the cost of removing it. The only issue with the flashing really is an aesthetic one. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Could it have anything to do with union labor? Union labor isn't cheap right? The justification may be just that, the cost of removing it. The only issue with the flashing really is an aesthetic one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By DieselII: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By DieselII: Picked mine up last night ... ugh ... 1st - they laughed me out of the shop ... gov. profile they said , hah ! That's so played out they scoffed ! Old tech , they proclaimed ! 2nd - mocked me for not spending 3x as much for a KAC , or anything other than a Colt really ... 'cause a Colt for $2k ?? are you kidding me ! Then - got home and started handling my upsetting purchase and noticed blood all over the place ! Fucking 'flashing' cut me all up ! Dammit !! After that .. - disassembled , after cleaning all the blood ! , and the fucking bolt blew up in my hand and I got a gas ring in the fucking eye !! Fuck me !! Crap - stupid Magpul stock , that everyone uses , has a forge mark on it and it wiggles - wtf ! To add to that - flipped the gun over and the sights fell off and broke my pinky toe ... both on the same toe ! I cried for a while and then went to bed ... seriously though ... this might be the cleanest factory Colt rifle I have received - no imperfections at all , anywhere on the gun ! happy to have gotten in on this one and can't wait to shoot it - feels comfortable and balances well out of the box . very nice . Also - this is intentional in my opinion : https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/C8BD5D85-6291-4490-835F-3A09D228955B-2551692.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/4B23E8A3-A549-484A-9A09-AD2FA57B5A9B-2551693.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/2BAFE8C9-D83D-4494-BB01-A96302D1EB76-2551707.jpg I wouldn't even call that a flashing , more like it was forged that way and the decision to leave was made ... Not that it even makes a damn bit of difference . I have Colt lowers with no 'flashing' and some with some leftovers , however none this prominent . Now I'm not in love with 16" barrels , as 14.5 pinned is preferable , so not sure how I will move forward . The lower is really what I was after . If they make 14.5 uppers available I will be all over that for sure , otherwise I am seriously contemplating having my spare 6940 barrel cut down and cutting the handguard down to match - as having this as a 'factory' 14.5 upper would be most excellent . Can always swap with one of Geissele railed Socom uppers though so I will hold on the above for now ... In the meantime I see an SD-C trigger going in and probably an MRO on top for now , or an Acog/RMR/RD ... we will see ! However , with no 'T' marks I am not sure where to mount anything ... Probably will take the CH off as well and store that away due to the Colt logo ... have plenty of others I can use . I love this place - sometimes though .... eta - MAC is a tool , and why he is relevant is silly ... plus , if I am not mistaken , a fucking thief . wish I didn't watch that video , but then wouldn't have been able to post the stupid above ... That forge flashing.....damn! Agreed. It looks to be damn near 1/8". Or is it just the pics? Either way, I've yet to see anything remotely close in comparison. Could it have anything to do with union labor? Union labor isn't cheap right? The justification may be just that, the cost of removing it. The only issue with the flashing really is an aesthetic one. Hard to say. This is the first that I've seen with 0% clean up. Cosmetic only, yes. But damn strange. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Could it have anything to do with union labor? Union labor isn't cheap right? The justification may be just that, the cost of removing it. The only issue with the flashing really is an aesthetic one. View Quote That’s 10 minutes tops to make that 95% better than what it is. Let’s say $100/hr union labor and you are only talking $10 in cost. Probably more like $5. EDIT: Let’s use 60 minutes in an hour, not 100 like what an hour feels like at work. So $16.67 for 10 minuets of work at $100/hr labor. Let’s just round that up to $25 to clean up the flash to an acceptable level. With an MSRP of $1999 and already going for $1795 from dealers there is more than enough profit margin to clean this up not even considering it is being brought up on forums and “social media”. |
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Originally Posted By oxford411: That’s 10 minutes tops to make that 95% better than what it is. Let’s say $100/hr union labor and you are only talking $10 in cost. Probably more like $5. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By oxford411: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Could it have anything to do with union labor? Union labor isn't cheap right? The justification may be just that, the cost of removing it. The only issue with the flashing really is an aesthetic one. That’s 10 minutes tops to make that 95% better than what it is. Let’s say $100/hr union labor and you are only talking $10 in cost. Probably more like $5. You haven't seen the monkeys that I work with. Hell....that translates to ~ 1 1/2 man hours with the riff raff these days. |
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Originally Posted By DieselII: Picked mine up last night ... ugh ... 1st - they laughed me out of the shop ... gov. profile they said , hah ! That's so played out they scoffed ! Old tech , they proclaimed ! 2nd - mocked me for not spending 3x as much for a KAC , or anything other than a Colt really ... 'cause a Colt for $2k ?? are you kidding me ! Then - got home and started handling my upsetting purchase and noticed blood all over the place ! Fucking 'flashing' cut me all up ! Dammit !! After that .. - disassembled , after cleaning all the blood ! , and the fucking bolt blew up in my hand and I got a gas ring in the fucking eye !! Fuck me !! Crap - stupid Magpul stock , that everyone uses , has a forge mark on it and it wiggles - wtf ! To add to that - flipped the gun over and the sights fell off and broke my pinky toe ... both on the same toe ! I cried for a while and then went to bed ... seriously though ... this might be the cleanest factory Colt rifle I have received - no imperfections at all , anywhere on the gun ! happy to have gotten in on this one and can't wait to shoot it - feels comfortable and balances well out of the box . very nice . Also - this is intentional in my opinion : https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/C8BD5D85-6291-4490-835F-3A09D228955B-2551692.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/4B23E8A3-A549-484A-9A09-AD2FA57B5A9B-2551693.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256381/2BAFE8C9-D83D-4494-BB01-A96302D1EB76-2551707.jpg I wouldn't even call that a flashing , more like it was forged that way and the decision to leave was made ... Not that it even makes a damn bit of difference . I have Colt lowers with no 'flashing' and some with some leftovers , however none this prominent . Now I'm not in love with 16" barrels , as 14.5 pinned is preferable , so not sure how I will move forward . The lower is really what I was after . If they make 14.5 uppers available I will be all over that for sure , otherwise I am seriously contemplating having my spare 6940 barrel cut down and cutting the handguard down to match - as having this as a 'factory' 14.5 upper would be most excellent . Can always swap with one of Geissele railed Socom uppers though so I will hold on the above for now ... In the meantime I see an SD-C trigger going in and probably an MRO on top for now , or an Acog/RMR/RD ... we will see ! However , with no 'T' marks I am not sure where to mount anything ... Probably will take the CH off as well and store that away due to the Colt logo ... have plenty of others I can use . I love this place - sometimes though .... eta - MAC is a tool , and why he is relevant is silly ... plus , if I am not mistaken , a fucking thief . wish I didn't watch that video , but then wouldn't have been able to post the stupid above ... View Quote LMAO, you post was almost as funny as the one I once made in the Colt 9MM Carbine thread. I cried because the dealer wouldn't take my POS rifle back. And there was actually some people that thought my post was real lol. Enjoy your new rifle! |
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I’m not a big mac fan, but he makes some points regarding the price and what you get. It is what it is. If it works for you, then go for it. But that receiver… holy crap that looks terrible. I hope there’s a reason for it.
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Colt is known for crappy fit and finish so the M5 doesn't surprise me - imo it should be around the LE6940 to LE6920SOCOM price range, not nearing LMT prices - ofc many people here by them because we're Colt fans but I doubt it'll take over the market at the current pricing. Something around $13-1400 probably would've had a much higher adoption rate over the life of the gun.
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Originally Posted By dadasmithywinkle: Colt is known for crappy fit and finish so the M5 doesn't surprise me - imo it should be around the LE6940 to LE6920SOCOM price range, not nearing LMT prices - ofc many people here by them because we're Colt fans but I doubt it'll take over the market at the current pricing. Something around $13-1400 probably would've had a much higher adoption rate over the life of the gun. View Quote Just curious as to why you think colt isn't close to LMT. Both use button rifling and same materials. I have an LMT and it's an awesome weapon but the 6940 is solid. The M5 seems to be on par with my LMT. Very close |
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Obviously the flashing not being milled off is an intentional feature. I can only guess its one less manufacturing step that saved on production cost. I don't know if this bothers me yet considering I may shoot mine tomorrow. I'm thinking on getting an ACOG TA33 w/RMR for an optic.
Eta: with my index finger I felt a sharp edge inside the trigger guard area across the flashing. Though it wouldn't affect you just pulling the trigger. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Obviously the flashing not being milled off is an intentional feature. I can only guess its one less manufacturing step that saved on production cost. I don't know if this bothers me yet Eta: with my index finger I felt a sharp edge inside the trigger guard area across the flashing. Though it wouldn't affect you just pulling the trigger. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bishop3: Obviously the flashing not being milled off is an intentional feature. I can only guess its one less manufacturing step that saved on production cost. I don't know if this bothers me yet Eta: with my index finger I felt a sharp edge inside the trigger guard area across the flashing. Though it wouldn't affect you just pulling the trigger. This is my edit from above. IMO, it would have been money well spent for Colt to have finished this to 90-95% good. Originally Posted By oxford411: EDIT: Let’s use 60 minutes in an hour, not 100 like what an hour feels like at work. So $16.67 for 10 minuets of work at $100/hr labor. Let’s just round that up to $25 to clean up the flash to an acceptable level. With an MSRP of $1999 and already going for $1795 from dealers there is more than enough profit margin to clean this up not even considering it is being brought up on forums and “social media”. |
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Originally Posted By Muricha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CZYdnsEKqk View Quote My man, do you think you are adding value by posting the same video over and over? We see it, it shows up multiple times per page. If that's your Youtube channel, please go shill elsewhere. |
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Originally Posted By oxford411: This is my edit from above. IMO, it would have been money well spent for Colt to have finished this to 90-95% good. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By oxford411: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Obviously the flashing not being milled off is an intentional feature. I can only guess its one less manufacturing step that saved on production cost. I don't know if this bothers me yet Eta: with my index finger I felt a sharp edge inside the trigger guard area across the flashing. Though it wouldn't affect you just pulling the trigger. This is my edit from above. IMO, it would have been money well spent for Colt to have finished this to 90-95% good. Originally Posted By oxford411: EDIT: Let’s use 60 minutes in an hour, not 100 like what an hour feels like at work. So $16.67 for 10 minuets of work at $100/hr labor. Let’s just round that up to $25 to clean up the flash to an acceptable level. With an MSRP of $1999 and already going for $1795 from dealers there is more than enough profit margin to clean this up not even considering it is being brought up on forums and “social media”. I saw that & hate to agree with you. Colt isn't going to give us an explanation either - if they changed their attitude think of the possibilities! The possibilities man, Colt could win again. Whether this is a factor or not, was a 'trade union' member for 9 years & know the game. I digress. Maybe Colt should have went down south FL. The question now is, what do the .Mil or .Gov rifles look like on the flashing. Did Colt take the time to do the needful on the contract M5 offerings? Earlier back in the thread, I did mention the retail price that I may have higher expectations because it is the most expensive Colt carbine I've bought to date. On the other hand, mine had better shoot extra extra good given the design change(s) |
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