Posted: 3/10/2014 10:53:12 AM EDT
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Is it just me, or is PTAC taking over PSA's build load? Lately, the majority of the uppers, build kits, etc have been PTAC stuff.
I miss the days of going to the home page and seeing nothing but awesome PSA deals. Now it's almost all PTAC stuff, which I refuse to buy until I know who this company really is and when all the wishy washy reviews are done with. Not being a brand snob, just the way it is. |
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Is it just me, or is PTAC taking over PSA's build load? Lately, the majority of the uppers, build kits, etc have been PTAC stuff. I miss the days of going to the home page and seeing nothing but awesome PSA deals. Now it's almost all PTAC stuff, which I refuse to buy until I know who this company really is and when all the wishy washy reviews are done with. Not being a brand snob, just the way it is. psa doesnt build them in house, so i think its just the stock they have ready. theyre probably busy building away, and just have no batches ready yet. patience.. they'll be back as soon as they can! |
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psa doesnt build them in house, so i think its just the stock they have ready. theyre probably busy building away, and just have no batches ready yet. patience.. they'll be back as soon as they can! Quoted:
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Is it just me, or is PTAC taking over PSA's build load? Lately, the majority of the uppers, build kits, etc have been PTAC stuff. I miss the days of going to the home page and seeing nothing but awesome PSA deals. Now it's almost all PTAC stuff, which I refuse to buy until I know who this company really is and when all the wishy washy reviews are done with. Not being a brand snob, just the way it is. psa doesnt build them in house, so i think its just the stock they have ready. theyre probably busy building away, and just have no batches ready yet. patience.. they'll be back as soon as they can! They don't assemble/build the uppers in house? |
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I think FN being awarded the new military contract plus offering their own FN-15 has hurt PSA's performance line, especially barrels. We shall see if this keeps up. I was thinking this as well. Don't see as many premium uppers as in the past. Guess FN is just filling PSA orders whenever they can. :( |
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Is it just me, or is PTAC taking over PSA's build load? Lately, the majority of the uppers, build kits, etc have been PTAC stuff. I miss the days of going to the home page and seeing nothing but awesome PSA deals. Now it's almost all PTAC stuff, which I refuse to buy until I know who this company really is and when all the wishy washy reviews are done with. Not being a brand snob, just the way it is. psa doesnt build them in house, so i think its just the stock they have ready. theyre probably busy building away, and just have no batches ready yet. patience.. they'll be back as soon as they can! They don't assemble/build the uppers in house? No, PSA doesnt build PTAC.. PSA builds PSA uppers yes, and PSA lowers.. PSA DOES NOT BUILD PTAC. as far as any of us know. |
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I think FN being awarded the new military contract plus offering their own FN-15 has hurt PSA's performance line, especially barrels. We shall see if this keeps up. good logic. however id hope that FN was able to have the production capacity to do both without issues, as well as any other commitments they have. |
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well if thats the case,t hen where is the proof? Quoted:
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PSA definitely builds PTAC stuff, probably a storage closet with a piece of paper that says PTAC on the door. well if thats the case,t hen where is the proof? Using your logic, where's the proof they don't? You don't have it. |
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No, PSA doesnt build PTAC.. PSA builds PSA uppers yes, and PSA lowers.. PSA DOES NOT BUILD PTAC. as far as any of us know. Quoted:
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Is it just me, or is PTAC taking over PSA's build load? Lately, the majority of the uppers, build kits, etc have been PTAC stuff. I miss the days of going to the home page and seeing nothing but awesome PSA deals. Now it's almost all PTAC stuff, which I refuse to buy until I know who this company really is and when all the wishy washy reviews are done with. Not being a brand snob, just the way it is. psa doesnt build them in house, so i think its just the stock they have ready. theyre probably busy building away, and just have no batches ready yet. patience.. they'll be back as soon as they can! They don't assemble/build the uppers in house? No, PSA doesnt build PTAC.. PSA builds PSA uppers yes, and PSA lowers.. PSA DOES NOT BUILD PTAC. as far as any of us know. Sounds like your real sure there |
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No, PSA doesnt build PTAC.. PSA builds PSA uppers yes, and PSA lowers.. PSA DOES NOT BUILD PTAC. as far as any of us know. Quoted:
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Is it just me, or is PTAC taking over PSA's build load? Lately, the majority of the uppers, build kits, etc have been PTAC stuff. I miss the days of going to the home page and seeing nothing but awesome PSA deals. Now it's almost all PTAC stuff, which I refuse to buy until I know who this company really is and when all the wishy washy reviews are done with. Not being a brand snob, just the way it is. psa doesnt build them in house, so i think its just the stock they have ready. theyre probably busy building away, and just have no batches ready yet. patience.. they'll be back as soon as they can! They don't assemble/build the uppers in house? No, PSA doesnt build PTAC.. PSA builds PSA uppers yes, and PSA lowers.. PSA DOES NOT BUILD PTAC. as far as any of us know. This is my theory as well. If you had noticed, many Ptac's ship for free (when others don't), and many have reported no inspection tags/sigs for QC department. This leads me to believe they are either shipped directly from "Ptac" (whoever they may be), or drop shipped to PSA, then OTD from there (with zero inspection/QC). Saves time and/or shipping. |
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This is my theory as well. If you had noticed, many Ptac's ship for free (when others don't), and many have reported no inspection tags/sigs for QC department. This leads me to believe they are either shipped directly from "Ptac" (whoever they may be), or drop shipped to PSA, then OTD from there (with zero inspection/QC). Saves time and/or shipping. Quoted:
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Is it just me, or is PTAC taking over PSA's build load? Lately, the majority of the uppers, build kits, etc have been PTAC stuff. I miss the days of going to the home page and seeing nothing but awesome PSA deals. Now it's almost all PTAC stuff, which I refuse to buy until I know who this company really is and when all the wishy washy reviews are done with. Not being a brand snob, just the way it is. psa doesnt build them in house, so i think its just the stock they have ready. theyre probably busy building away, and just have no batches ready yet. patience.. they'll be back as soon as they can! They don't assemble/build the uppers in house? No, PSA doesnt build PTAC.. PSA builds PSA uppers yes, and PSA lowers.. PSA DOES NOT BUILD PTAC. as far as any of us know. This is my theory as well. If you had noticed, many Ptac's ship for free (when others don't), and many have reported no inspection tags/sigs for QC department. This leads me to believe they are either shipped directly from "Ptac" (whoever they may be), or drop shipped to PSA, then OTD from there (with zero inspection/QC). Saves time and/or shipping. If this is the case then that is absolutely horrible on PSA's end. To not inspect a product that you are the ONLY company pushing/standing behind is DUMB. Especially when people are already saying that PTAC products are going to be the downfall of PSA. They need to come clean with what/who PTAC is and stop keeping everyone in the dark about this company that no one can dig up a shred of info on, leading people to believe that PTAC and PSA are one in the same company using less than ideal parts. |
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Using your logic, where's the proof they don't? You don't have it. Quoted:
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PSA definitely builds PTAC stuff, probably a storage closet with a piece of paper that says PTAC on the door. well if thats the case,t hen where is the proof? Using your logic, where's the proof they don't? You don't have it. you mean besides the many times that PSA themselves have said they dont, both in store and here online? yea other than that i dont. however if you also compare what other users here have said about how they get PTAC, and how its not inspected, etc, do you really think PSA would ship out a box they inspected looking like some of the original ptac barrels? come on, be real, we've NEVER seen a PSA barrel look as bad as a PTAC did. that tells me PSA doesnt build them because PSA's quality has been impeccible. |
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This is my theory as well. If you had noticed, many Ptac's ship for free (when others don't), and many have reported no inspection tags/sigs for QC department. This leads me to believe they are either shipped directly from "Ptac" (whoever they may be), or drop shipped to PSA, then OTD from there (with zero inspection/QC). Saves time and/or shipping. I am not sure about that. I had both a PTAC Blackhawk LPK and a PSA LPK. PTAC kit was perfect and it was the PSA kit that had an empty plastic bag inside that was supposed to have the little detents. They did send me a whole set of replacement detents afterwards but it was definitely a miss on QC. |
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PTAC isn't Precision Tactical Arms Company located in Crestview, FL, is it? http://www.ptarmsgear.com ? no its Practical Tactical located in Columbia, SC, as a LLC. i had a thread i had done research on it before. do a search you may see it come up. the lawyers office it was formed in is off of Devine Street if i remember correctly. |
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no its Practical Tactical located in Columbia, SC, as a LLC. i had a thread i had done research on it before. do a search you may see it come up. the lawyers office it was formed in is off of Devine Street if i remember correctly. Quoted:
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PTAC isn't Precision Tactical Arms Company located in Crestview, FL, is it? http://www.ptarmsgear.com ? no its Practical Tactical located in Columbia, SC, as a LLC. i had a thread i had done research on it before. do a search you may see it come up. the lawyers office it was formed in is off of Devine Street if i remember correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if PSA owns the LLC |
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I wouldn't be surprised if PSA owns the LLC Quoted:
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PTAC isn't Precision Tactical Arms Company located in Crestview, FL, is it? http://www.ptarmsgear.com ? no its Practical Tactical located in Columbia, SC, as a LLC. i had a thread i had done research on it before. do a search you may see it come up. the lawyers office it was formed in is off of Devine Street if i remember correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if PSA owns the LLC possible, but they deny it. |
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i received a ptac 16in midlength and psa 14.7in midlength the other week. everything was identical fsb handguards receivers etc except the bcg and barrel so if i had to guess psa and ptac are one in the same. Yeah, but the two most important parts of the upper are the barrel and BCG. lol |
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They've got mid length uppers right now for $299 and it's very tempting but I just don't know. If I get a PTAC I think I would rather have the Melonite barrel. I need an upper for my PSA stripped lower and MOE build kit. With all the mixed reviews on PTAC products, I refuse to buy it when for a few dollars more you can get PSA premium stuff... |
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With all the mixed reviews on PTAC products, I refuse to buy it when for a few dollars more you can get PSA premium stuff... Quoted:
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They've got mid length uppers right now for $299 and it's very tempting but I just don't know. If I get a PTAC I think I would rather have the Melonite barrel. I need an upper for my PSA stripped lower and MOE build kit. With all the mixed reviews on PTAC products, I refuse to buy it when for a few dollars more you can get PSA premium stuff... totally understandable. When i bought mine it was black friday and it was hard to pass up a 179.00 upper, so i snagged a couple. regardless of who we suspect or dont suspect to own PTAC, as long as PSA stands behind the product and fixes it, i will still order with confidence if i find a deal i just cant pass up. |
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totally understandable. When i bought mine it was black friday and it was hard to pass up a 179.00 upper, so i snagged a couple. regardless of who we suspect or dont suspect to own PTAC, as long as PSA stands behind the product and fixes it, i will still order with confidence if i find a deal i just cant pass up. Quoted:
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They've got mid length uppers right now for $299 and it's very tempting but I just don't know. If I get a PTAC I think I would rather have the Melonite barrel. I need an upper for my PSA stripped lower and MOE build kit. With all the mixed reviews on PTAC products, I refuse to buy it when for a few dollars more you can get PSA premium stuff... totally understandable. When i bought mine it was black friday and it was hard to pass up a 179.00 upper, so i snagged a couple. regardless of who we suspect or dont suspect to own PTAC, as long as PSA stands behind the product and fixes it, i will still order with confidence if i find a deal i just cant pass up. If I were to come across a deal that good and happened to be shopping for an upper at the time, I might buy one. Other than that, I can't see doing it. Not until the reviews get better and the brand has been around for longer to see how it holds up. IE: How are the bolts holding up? How long before barrels begin to lose accuracy, etc? AFAIK, we still don't even know who's making these barrels. That scares me the most. There's some pretty sh*tty barrel manufacturers out there, and at PTAC's price point, some of the barrels may very well be coming from them. **I'm not saying they are, but we don't know for sure.** I just can't buy a product I know zero about other than a very vague, general description. |
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If I were to come across a deal that good and happened to be shopping for an upper at the time, I might buy one. Other than that, I can't see doing it. Not until the reviews get better and the brand has been around for longer to see how it holds up. IE: How are the bolts holding up? How long before barrels begin to lose accuracy, etc? AFAIK, we still don't even know who's making these barrels. That scares me the most. There's some pretty sh*tty barrel manufacturers out there, and at PTAC's price point, some of the barrels may very well be coming from them. **I'm not saying they are, but we don't know for sure.** I just can't buy a product I know zero about other than a very vague, general description. Quoted:
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They've got mid length uppers right now for $299 and it's very tempting but I just don't know. If I get a PTAC I think I would rather have the Melonite barrel. I need an upper for my PSA stripped lower and MOE build kit. With all the mixed reviews on PTAC products, I refuse to buy it when for a few dollars more you can get PSA premium stuff... totally understandable. When i bought mine it was black friday and it was hard to pass up a 179.00 upper, so i snagged a couple. regardless of who we suspect or dont suspect to own PTAC, as long as PSA stands behind the product and fixes it, i will still order with confidence if i find a deal i just cant pass up. If I were to come across a deal that good and happened to be shopping for an upper at the time, I might buy one. Other than that, I can't see doing it. Not until the reviews get better and the brand has been around for longer to see how it holds up. IE: How are the bolts holding up? How long before barrels begin to lose accuracy, etc? AFAIK, we still don't even know who's making these barrels. That scares me the most. There's some pretty sh*tty barrel manufacturers out there, and at PTAC's price point, some of the barrels may very well be coming from them. **I'm not saying they are, but we don't know for sure.** I just can't buy a product I know zero about other than a very vague, general description. well its a carpenter 158 bolt in a standard m16 chrome lined carrier that is properly staked. Granted i dont shoot 100's of rounds, or thousands or millions thru my rifles, but i find it hard to think that the PTAC bcg is inferior to the standard m16 bcg. mine is mp'd . the carrier alone is better than my stnadard Stag as the Stag is Semi auto. i get the point about the barrel. i cant say i necessarily disagree with you either. perhaps as time goes on the PTAC qc issues will disappear and they will either be good to go or a thing of the past. but to me for it being a dedicated .22 im quite happy. |
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I wonder if the barrels are the reason for the difference in price between PTAC and PSA? What else could it be? There doesn't seem to be much difference in the BCG. From what I can tell it's definitely the barrel that's the difference. An upper is an upper is an upper. A gas block is a gas block, same for the gas tube... The barrel is the single most important of the upper aside form the BCG. That's the accuracy and life of your upper basically. I just don't see a reason to cheap out on such an important thing when as I said before - $100 gets you an FNH barrel - something you know is absolutely top quality. As for the PTAC BCG's, if it's an HPT/MPI bolt then I would be lead to believe it would be gtg. |
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From what I can tell it's definitely the barrel that's the difference. An upper is an upper is an upper. A gas block is a gas block, same for the gas tube... The barrel is the single most important of the upper aside form the BCG. That's the accuracy and life of your upper basically. I just don't see a reason to cheap out on such an important thing when as I said before - $100 gets you an FNH barrel - something you know is absolutely top quality. As for the PTAC BCG's, if it's an HPT/MPI bolt then I would be lead to believe it would be gtg. Quoted:
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I wonder if the barrels are the reason for the difference in price between PTAC and PSA? What else could it be? There doesn't seem to be much difference in the BCG. From what I can tell it's definitely the barrel that's the difference. An upper is an upper is an upper. A gas block is a gas block, same for the gas tube... The barrel is the single most important of the upper aside form the BCG. That's the accuracy and life of your upper basically. I just don't see a reason to cheap out on such an important thing when as I said before - $100 gets you an FNH barrel - something you know is absolutely top quality. As for the PTAC BCG's, if it's an HPT/MPI bolt then I would be lead to believe it would be gtg. i woudl agree that the barrel is the most likey difference. i see your logic on the fnh barrel adn dont argue, other than my dedicated .22 didnt need to be a heavy duty barrel. |
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For those interested.
Practical Tactical LLC info from South Carolina Secretary of State http://www.sos.sc.gov/index.asp?n=18&p=4&s=18&corporateid=692010 PSA info from South Carolina Secretary of State http://www.sos.sc.gov/index.asp?n=18&p=4&s=18&corporateid=510422 It is rather interesting that the ownership percentages were amended a little over a month before PTAC was formed. If you guys really want to get to the bottom of this, someone in SC should submit one of these forms. . |
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Well some people aren't afraid of these uppers. Some more mid length uppers were back in stock today and didn't last long. Yep. It's crazy. Unlined barrel. Pass. For $80-100 more you could get melonite or CL. I'm a middy fan myself, but not to the crazy point some people are where they'd probably by a cardboard barreled middy for $299 (I don't even think they look at the specs, I think they get all crazy as soon as they see "middy" and $299 in the same title). This is why we'll probably never see a melonite or CL Ptac middy from them... why bother when people keep binging on unlined barrels, drunk from the "$299 Middy" title! It's like they HAVE to have a middy soooo bad, they don't care what barrel it has on it (and the barrel is the MOST important part of the rifle) 
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For those interested. Practical Tactical LLC info from South Carolina Secretary of State http://www.sos.sc.gov/index.asp?n=18&p=4&s=18&corporateid=692010 PSA info from South Carolina Secretary of State http://www.sos.sc.gov/index.asp?n=18&p=4&s=18&corporateid=510422 It is rather interesting that the ownership percentages were amended a little over a month before PTAC was formed. If you guys really want to get to the bottom of this, someone in SC should submit one of these forms. . wow man you really do your homework |