Posted: 4/6/2014 10:35:40 AM EDT
| My gun won't feed with PMC or American Eagle fmj ammo but will feed with match ammo after sent back to Larue. Already sent it back to Larue and they said the problems was fixed, but not. $3000 gun shouldn't do this and i'm mad now. |
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Quoted: My gun won't feed with PMC or American Eagle fmj ammo but will feed with match ammo after sent back to Larue. Already sent it back to Larue and they said the problems was fixed, but not. $3000 gun shouldn't do this and i'm mad now. |
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My gun won't feed with PMC or American Eagle fmj ammo but will feed with match ammo after sent back to Larue. Already sent it back to Larue and they said the problems was fixed, but not. $3000 gun shouldn't do this and i'm mad now. American Eagle = underpowered. You aren't getting enough gas for full operation. You'll notice similar problems with Brown Bear, Tula, Wolf, etc. If you stick with quality ammo you won't have a problem. Sorry you're having issues and that it's negatively impacted your mood, but on one hand you are spending considerable money to buy one of the best AR's out there, then trying to skimp on the amount you spend on ammo and buying crappy low quality stuff. Then you point the finger at the $3000 rifle? If you want, you can drop to a lower weight buffer...but you are still modifying an expensive precision weapon to accommodate cheap ammo. |
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My gun won't feed with PMC or American Eagle fmj ammo but will feed with match ammo after sent back to Larue. Already sent it back to Larue and they said the problems was fixed, but not. $3000 gun shouldn't do this and i'm mad now. 5.56 / 7.62? What mags are you using? Suppressed / unsuppressed? Bullets in the right way? 
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American Eagle = underpowered. You aren't getting enough gas for full operation. You'll notice similar problems with Brown Bear, Tula, Wolf, etc. If you stick with quality ammo you won't have a problem. Sorry you're having issues and that it's negatively impacted your mood, but on one hand you are spending considerable money to buy one of the best AR's out there, then trying to skimp on the amount you spend on ammo and buying crappy low quality stuff. Then you point the finger at the $3000 rifle? If you want, you can drop to a lower weight buffer...but you are still modifying an expensive precision weapon to accommodate cheap ammo. Quoted:
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My gun won't feed with PMC or American Eagle fmj ammo but will feed with match ammo after sent back to Larue. Already sent it back to Larue and they said the problems was fixed, but not. $3000 gun shouldn't do this and i'm mad now. American Eagle = underpowered. You aren't getting enough gas for full operation. You'll notice similar problems with Brown Bear, Tula, Wolf, etc. If you stick with quality ammo you won't have a problem. Sorry you're having issues and that it's negatively impacted your mood, but on one hand you are spending considerable money to buy one of the best AR's out there, then trying to skimp on the amount you spend on ammo and buying crappy low quality stuff. Then you point the finger at the $3000 rifle? If you want, you can drop to a lower weight buffer...but you are still modifying an expensive precision weapon to accommodate cheap ammo. Need the cheaper ammo to shoot open sights and match ammo to shoot long distance. The thing that mad mad is Larue said the problem was fixed. They said they tried the american eagle and pmc and it had no problems. |
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5.56 / 7.62? What mags are you using? Suppressed / unsuppressed? Bullets in the right way? http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/loading-fail.jpg Quoted:
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My gun won't feed with PMC or American Eagle fmj ammo but will feed with match ammo after sent back to Larue. Already sent it back to Larue and they said the problems was fixed, but not. $3000 gun shouldn't do this and i'm mad now. 5.56 / 7.62? What mags are you using? Suppressed / unsuppressed? Bullets in the right way? http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/loading-fail.jpg Pmag gen 3 and ammo is 147g pmc and AE. |
| The only option you have is to send it in again. I wouldn't like it either, but it's necessary. There are so many factors involved in finding the issue. I doubt it's an ammo or break in problem, something funky is going on mechanically. Just voice what you need to make it right in your eyes and ask them to do it. |
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The only option you have is to send it in again. I wouldn't like it either, but it's necessary. There are so many factors involved in finding the issue. I doubt it's an ammo or break in problem, something funky is going on mechanically. Just voice what you need to make it right in your eyes and ask them to do it. I will call them again tomorrow. What makes me mad is they told me it's been fixed and it'll feed with the pmc and AE. I guess all they tried was match ammo. One thing is they wouldn't tell me what was wrong with it in the first place. |
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I will call them again tomorrow. What makes me mad is they told me it's been fixed and it'll feed with the pmc and AE. I guess all they tried was match ammo. One thing is they wouldn't tell me what was wrong with it in the first place. Quoted:
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The only option you have is to send it in again. I wouldn't like it either, but it's necessary. There are so many factors involved in finding the issue. I doubt it's an ammo or break in problem, something funky is going on mechanically. Just voice what you need to make it right in your eyes and ask them to do it. I will call them again tomorrow. What makes me mad is they told me it's been fixed and it'll feed with the pmc and AE. I guess all they tried was match ammo. One thing is they wouldn't tell me what was wrong with it in the first place. Stuff happens and we all expect it to a certain point. But them not telling you what was wrong is weird. At this point you have enough info to know something is still wrong. Did John talk to you the last time you sent it in? Did you send your ammo? |
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Price OP quoted he paid for this rifle - $3000 OP's rifle 300% of average Average cost of .223/5.56 - $0.70/rnd Price of OP's ammo - $0.40/rnd OP's ammo 57% of average I'm trying to make a point so don't take this the wrong way. But did you put an NC Star scope on your $3000 rifle too and complain that your 'rifle' won't hold zero and your 'rifle' won't group? I just hope my math and analogy help place perspective on your situation. |
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Average price of AR - $1000 Price OP quoted he paid for this rifle - $3000 OP's rifle 300% of average Average cost of .223/5.56 - $0.70/rnd Price of OP's ammo - $0.40/rnd OP's ammo 57% of average I'm trying to make a point so don't take this the wrong way. But did you put an NC Star scope on your $3000 rifle too and complain that your 'rifle' won't hold zero and your 'rifle' won't group? I just hope my math and analogy help place perspective on your situation. It's a Nightforce that I have! 
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Stuff happens and we all expect it to a certain point. But them not telling you what was wrong is weird. At this point you have enough info to know something is still wrong. Did John talk to you the last time you sent it in? Did you send your ammo? Quoted:
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The only option you have is to send it in again. I wouldn't like it either, but it's necessary. There are so many factors involved in finding the issue. I doubt it's an ammo or break in problem, something funky is going on mechanically. Just voice what you need to make it right in your eyes and ask them to do it. I will call them again tomorrow. What makes me mad is they told me it's been fixed and it'll feed with the pmc and AE. I guess all they tried was match ammo. One thing is they wouldn't tell me what was wrong with it in the first place. Stuff happens and we all expect it to a certain point. But them not telling you what was wrong is weird. At this point you have enough info to know something is still wrong. Did John talk to you the last time you sent it in? Did you send your ammo? Yes I talked to John. I did sent in the the pmc and ae ammo for them plus the regular pmag and pmag gen 3. |
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Are all of your mags causing problems? I have one Pmag my TOBR does not like for some reason, I get FTF with it. My TOBR runs 100% with the other mags I've tried so far. I just used the pmag gen 3 10 and 20 rds. I had problems with the Larue mags when I first got it so I sold the Larue mags. I didn't tried the regular pmags though. |
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Average price of AR - $1000 Price OP quoted he paid for this rifle - $3000 OP's rifle 300% of average Average cost of .223/5.56 - $0.70/rnd Price of OP's ammo - $0.40/rnd OP's ammo 57% of average I'm trying to make a point so don't take this the wrong way. But did you put an NC Star scope on your $3000 rifle too and complain that your 'rifle' won't hold zero and your 'rifle' won't group? I just hope my math and analogy help place perspective on your situation. 
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Average price of AR - $1000 Price OP quoted he paid for this rifle - $3000 OP's rifle 300% of average Average cost of .223/5.56 - $0.70/rnd Price of OP's ammo - $0.40/rnd OP's ammo 57% of average I'm trying to make a point so don't take this the wrong way. But did you put an NC Star scope on your $3000 rifle too and complain that your 'rifle' won't hold zero and your 'rifle' won't group? I just hope my math and analogy help place perspective on your situation. Who wants a rifle that can only shoot $1 per round ammo? Every rifle SHOULD be able to function with commercial grade brass cased ammo. And should SING with nato spec ammo. |
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Who wants a rifle that can only shoot $1 per round ammo? Every rifle SHOULD be able to function with commercial grade brass cased ammo. And should SING with nato spec ammo. Quoted:
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Average price of AR - $1000 Price OP quoted he paid for this rifle - $3000 OP's rifle 300% of average Average cost of .223/5.56 - $0.70/rnd Price of OP's ammo - $0.40/rnd OP's ammo 57% of average I'm trying to make a point so don't take this the wrong way. But did you put an NC Star scope on your $3000 rifle too and complain that your 'rifle' won't hold zero and your 'rifle' won't group? I just hope my math and analogy help place perspective on your situation. Who wants a rifle that can only shoot $1 per round ammo? Every rifle SHOULD be able to function with commercial grade brass cased ammo. And should SING with nato spec ammo. You're right! Who wants to rapid fire match ammo at 25 yards that's why I also bought troy sights. I guess my go to rifle is my scar 17 now. |
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Yes I talked to John. I did sent in the the pmc and ae ammo for them plus the regular pmag and pmag gen 3. Quoted:
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The only option you have is to send it in again. I wouldn't like it either, but it's necessary. There are so many factors involved in finding the issue. I doubt it's an ammo or break in problem, something funky is going on mechanically. Just voice what you need to make it right in your eyes and ask them to do it. I will call them again tomorrow. What makes me mad is they told me it's been fixed and it'll feed with the pmc and AE. I guess all they tried was match ammo. One thing is they wouldn't tell me what was wrong with it in the first place. Stuff happens and we all expect it to a certain point. But them not telling you what was wrong is weird. At this point you have enough info to know something is still wrong. Did John talk to you the last time you sent it in? Did you send your ammo? Yes I talked to John. I did sent in the the pmc and ae ammo for them plus the regular pmag and pmag gen 3. Sounds like a problem I had some experience with. Likely they replaced your BCG. I witnessed two rifle with this issue, and the BCG was the culprit. |
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I just used the pmag gen 3 10 and 20 rds. I had problems with the Larue mags when I first got it so I sold the Larue mags. I didn't tried the regular pmags though. Quoted:
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Are all of your mags causing problems? I have one Pmag my TOBR does not like for some reason, I get FTF with it. My TOBR runs 100% with the other mags I've tried so far. I just used the pmag gen 3 10 and 20 rds. I had problems with the Larue mags when I first got it so I sold the Larue mags. I didn't tried the regular pmags though. It wasn't the mags, bummer dood |
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When you drop the bolt on a loaded mag to load the weapon, can you describe the forward momentum, does it lag to close? No Hum. Pretty weird. Have you changed anything else on the rifle? I'm not trying to fix your issue, just curious about it, shooting the shit |
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Hum. Pretty weird. Have you changed anything else on the rifle? I'm not trying to fix your issue, just curious about it, shooting the shit Quoted:
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When you drop the bolt on a loaded mag to load the weapon, can you describe the forward momentum, does it lag to close? No Hum. Pretty weird. Have you changed anything else on the rifle? I'm not trying to fix your issue, just curious about it, shooting the shit I changed the trigger to ssa e and added battle arms safety. |
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I changed the trigger to ssa e and added battle arms safety. Quoted:
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When you drop the bolt on a loaded mag to load the weapon, can you describe the forward momentum, does it lag to close? No Hum. Pretty weird. Have you changed anything else on the rifle? I'm not trying to fix your issue, just curious about it, shooting the shit I changed the trigger to ssa e and added battle arms safety. If they fired it with that it can't be the problem |
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I have a question: Is your gas block switch on suppressed or unsuppressed? Also, when does it fail to feed? Does it feed the first round by hand ok, but then when you fire it doesn't load the next round after the first round is ejected? It's at unsuppressed. Yes it feed the first round by hand ok, but then when you fire it doesn't load the next round after the first round is ejected and also jam up the second round too. |
| One of the reasons that I don't buy PMC is not (just) that they are underpowered (they are), but they are HORRIBLY inconsistent. The pressures range from slightly underpowered to really underpowered. If you feel the need to shoot non-match ammo, look elsewhere. I prefer military loads for less-expensive but still somewhat consistent ammo. If your ammo is consistent, you can do things like change the buffer spring to get a reliable function. |
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My PredatOBR in 7.62 fires PMC 147gr fine with a Gen 1 Pmag. It just loves the 168gr AE M-1A ammo, absolutely accurate at all ranges out to the 500 yards I have fired it........... If fires the Winchester NATO 147gr fine, just has mile of angle accuracy with it at 500 yards..... Luckily, I have had no feeding issues whatsoever with any ammo I have tried thus far.
As an aside, my Pmags are permanently blocked to 10 rounds.... Try loading 17 or 18 rounds in your magazines and see if your rifle work fine. LaRue may have only loaded 5 or 10 rounds in the magazine when they tested it..... Sometimes with new magazines the stiff springs can cause FTF if they are fully loaded. I usually leave a brand new magazine fully loaded for a month before I ever try it out in the (insert name/caliber here) AR it goes to.... 9 times out of 10 it takes care of the problem.... |
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It's at unsuppressed. Yes it feed the first round by hand ok, but then when you fire it doesn't load the next round after the first round is ejected and also jam up the second round too. Quoted:
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I have a question: Is your gas block switch on suppressed or unsuppressed? Also, when does it fail to feed? Does it feed the first round by hand ok, but then when you fire it doesn't load the next round after the first round is ejected? It's at unsuppressed. Yes it feed the first round by hand ok, but then when you fire it doesn't load the next round after the first round is ejected and also jam up the second round too. May be a dumb question. How well is the rifle lubed up? I had issues like this when I first got my OBR back in 2010. I came to the realization that I was being chincy on the lube. I had to make sure it was pretty well slicked up before starting to fire. Now though, after a few years of feeding it... the issue does not occur, but I also keep it well lubed. With the tolerance of Larue rifles being so tight, I could only come to the conclusion that I was being to light on the oil and it needed more to function properly. (Don't do what I did, Gas buster charging handle or not.... no white shirts.) Although the spray pattern looks kinda cool, its now a rifle rag. |
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Just wanted to throw this out there since I had similar issues with Magtech M80 Ammo. I had FTF and FTE issues with it, but no issues with FGMM Ammo.
Did you do a thorough cleaning of the rifle when you received it? I disassembled the BCG all the way down, including the extractor. The dual springs on the extractor makes it a pain in the ass to get the pin back in it. I thoroughly cleaned everything out, oiled everying up and kept all parts WET, even more so than I normally did with my other ARs. After doing so, I saw, felt and heard the bolt close a whole lot smoother and no grittiness. All issues with the Magtech Ammo went away after that. I used the Magtech Ammo to get as close to zero and finished up with FGMM Just wanted to throw that out there just in case. Just wondering, when you sent the rifle back to Larue, was the PRS stock already on the rifle? Does the PRS require a different spring than the A2 stock? |
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My gun won't feed with PMC or American Eagle fmj ammo but will feed with match ammo after sent back to Larue. Already sent it back to Larue and they said the problems was fixed, but not. $3000 gun shouldn't do this and i'm mad now. 5.56 / 7.62? What mags are you using? Suppressed / unsuppressed? Bullets in the right way? http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/loading-fail.jpg Those will never feed that way. The pointy end is supposed to be "up." A.W.D. |
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Bummer - the good news is that in all of my dealings with Larue, I am 100% positive that they will make it right - it does suck having to send it back two times though...
And agree, I shoot the cheap stuff when I'm teaching people to shoot or doing CQB competitions - I save the expensive ammo for long range work |
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My .02 on having a similar issue with my OBR while using "value" ammo was helped by a drowned BCG/bolt, receiver extension spring and buffer. When it got too dry I would have FTF/E This was using MFS ammo... iirc one of Mr.LaRue guys at the LaRue 3 Gun match laughed, and I quote, he says " Mother Fuckler Shat ammo". Paraphrasing a bit there :) Best description ever... he then offered up the LaRue bench to wipe down and clean up my OBR. Drown the bolt he says, I didn't have one more issue for the rest of the match. Not only was this an excellent match I had a short conversation with Mr. LaRue, stood across from the Governor while he said a mini speech, it was also when I ordered my 14.5 556 tOBR 
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This is to the OP. Although it will likely be interpreted that way, this is not meant to be rude. It is just meant to show some perspective from someone who has bought many AWESOME things over the years. I also acknowledge that you seem to have had a problem with quality ammo also which should have and seems to have been made right by Larue. The top 4 reasons I don't own an OBR are the same reasons I don't own a Porsche GT3RS even though I believe they are both one of the best of their respective classes 4. I can't afford them 3. If I could afford to buy them, I couldn't afford to feed them what is required to keep them healthy and run them as frequently as I want to 2. I don't have the skill to use them for their DESIGNED purpose 1. I understand that although something might be the best in the world, It doesn't mean it is the best FOR ME! I need a car I can drive everyday that is cost effective to own and is still fun on the weekends. I need a rifle that I can run thousands of rounds through at 25-500 yards that will hit a human sized target reliably If I ever need it to, that I can afford to feed maintain and repair. Most importantly, I need both to be cost effective FOR ME to train with. If we were on a Porsche forum your original post would look like this: My GT3RS won't run right with 89 octane gas but will run fine with after sent back to the dealership. Already sent it back to the dealership and they said the problems was fixed, but not. $120000 car shouldn't do this and I'm mad now. If I was in your shoes, I would step back and look at the situation and say to myself; Am I causing the situation by not using it the way the manufacture suggests or the way it was designed? If YES, Did I assume that it would work right even if the above is true? If YES, I would ask myself, do I have the wrong tool for my task? Considering these things HONESTLY is a sign of maturity and a way to learn for the future. Having "awesom-est" stuff is cool but it is not always what we need to complete the task. |