[ARCHIVED THREAD] - RE: entitlement thread (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/12/2010 4:06:21 PM EDT
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What a bunch of macho Internet tuff guys.
Does anybody here actually understand the point of swag? It's called marketing, how many times have you produced a dillo and somebody asked "hey what's that"? Or y'all dillo fiends compare what you have and what you want. While LaRue offers great products wouldn't you imagine they would be cheaper if the package they are mailing didn't have the extra weight or space or they had to cover their bottom line because they included the "free" stuff. Having worked in a retail market for the last 9 years I can promise you nothing is free. Yes in a previous thread to day I asked what I could expect with an internet order that is only because I've never purchased a larue product and atleast two of my relatives would try to steal them from me at some point or buy their own(marketing). So I was curious , I'm sure some other folks are too, it's hard to drop 220 on a scope base even though it's worth it. And maybe some people just want the free stuff because they like it. This little bit is for you Internet tuff guys , you tell people it's time to grow up and quit crying and all you do is belittle them and type curse words at them. Ever think maybe it's time for you to grow up... we are all adults here and I'd never interact with a stranger like that. But it's a lost cause right? I guess this is enough for now cause I'm sure that I'm going against the hive on this one. |
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I love LT stuff and I support their payroll.
Some pack LaRue members get way too bent out of shape and it causes new guys to shy away from LT products. LT is a great company and they have great products and a very helpful staff. If you have a question call the company not just some guys who hang out in the LT forum. 
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I love LT stuff and I support their payroll. Some pack LaRue members get way too bent out of shape and it causes new guys to shy away from LT products. LT is a great company and they have great products and a very helpful staff. If you have a question call the company not just some guys who hang out in the LT forum.
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The entire pack larue thing has gotten out of hand and is verging on magpul levels. If that was a compliment... I accept. IF NOT........HOWL!!!!! Look at it this way, would the OP have ACTUALLY called the company and asked them those questions? "What free stuff are you sending"? I think not. Therefore, posting that question in the forum that the company pays for and monitors is rude - get it? It's just ill manners. And it really is a stupid question. If you get free shit- great. Can we foretell EXACTLY what you will get? NO. So it's a guess anyways. Are you NOT gonna satisfy your wife when she asks for your dillo (spelled correctly)?  If you didn't get one, order one to be sure she has one.
And LT DOES NOT add money to their products so they can ship SWAG. We've been through this before. They are an anomaly in the marketing world and have vowed NOT to average in that swag into baseline pricing. |
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Do you believe Iran when they say there reactors are for generating power only?
The bumper stickers are roughly $3 The hat is $20 The dillo is $10 The dust I'd guess around 7-8 bucks That's $40 , granted I'm sure larue gets a mad deal on the swag they get from whoever their distributor is but still that's a product leaving your facility that you as the business entity has paid for. Unless the metal products are done in house with scraps, but your still tying up resources in the laser bleaching, anodizing, and electricity |
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When Mark LaRue and MArk Fingar personally tell me that they have intentionally excluded adding the cost of that swag in when figuring out the pricing format for their merchandise- I believe them. LT is not Iran- good comparison slick!
That is their personal decision to do so. They have said so. I believe them. Some people give of themselves and use certain principles even if it does not make sense in today's economic selfishness. Their generosity has bled over to folks here who give free stuff to others all the time. Even you were offered freebies. Yes, giving away stuff has helped them sell product. But they donate moneys and materiel OUTRIGHT to good causes. Scott Brown Dillo, Ft Hood Dillo., dillos in general at Holiday time. stuff for kid's shooting team raffles, BBQ at 3 gun shoots. They may be able to take this off at tax time as marketing expenses, but they have vowed they do not use it to figure the bottom .line on their merchandise. I believe them. |
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I am not even PACK LARUE. in fact i got my first and only 72hr ban for arguing with Kujoe so your pack larue logic FAILS
you're all a bunch of entitlement minded leeches i like how the two biggest defenders of the crybabies are NON PAYING members of the site... |
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Do you believe Iran when they say there reactors are for generating power only? are you fucking high right now? did you really just compare the integrity of a Mark & Co to a nation hostile to the US that harbors terrorists? you're a fucking first class troll and logically impaired |
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Do you believe Iran when they say there reactors are for generating power only? are you fucking high right now? did you really just compare the integrity of a Mark & Co to a nation hostile to the US that harbors terrorists? you're a fucking first class troll and logically impaired Calm down HB, you're gonna break your keyboard. 
FTR, the Iran comment was major bullshit and not cool dude. You're better than that aggie. |
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Got a great example of the type of customer orientated company LaRue is............
I smash the shit out of my Swan sucks mount and send it to Mark and Co. Mark sends me a high quality replacement for free and packs the box full of swag.... Holy Crap I didn't spend a penny other than the cost of shipping it to him and he still gives me stuff. That is F-ING awesome. But Mark is a genius as I thanked him by buying one of his OBR's. How could I spend my money elsewhere? |
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I am not even PACK LARUE. in fact i got my first and only 72hr ban for arguing with Kujoe so your pack larue logic FAILS you're all a bunch of entitlement minded leeches i like how the two biggest defenders of the crybabies are NON PAYING members of the site... I doubt it. In fact... i'm sure my new carbine build with upset as many PACK members as these threads. But I'm not real worried about it... the fact is, when LT makes a product i need, i'd rather get it from them and support them... if they choose to send you "marketing items", then you'll get some shwag. In the end, be happy with whatever you get... because you are paying for the product you ordered... thats it! |
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Here is my take:
LT gives away some great stuff along with selling great stuff. By doing so they have created an expectation - quality items and dillos/hats/rub/bumper stickers. So when you create an expectation, don't be surprised people bitch when you do not meet the very same expectation you created. Is it that hard to grasp? |
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Quoted: I am not even PACK LARUE. in fact i got my first and only 72hr ban for arguing with Kujoe so your pack larue logic FAILS you're all a bunch of entitlement minded leeches i like how the two biggest defenders of the crybabies are NON PAYING members of the site... Pure internet chest thumping. That's all it is. Non-paying members? Sheesh...get over yourself and that shiny bronze star.  CHRIS |
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Quoted: I agree i got my first bottle and i'm down to nothing ordered something and didn't get any.so I went to buy some and can't find it on their site. so i have to ask all you Team members, What do i do? buy more stuff  I'm saving my pennies for a new toy right now
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Quoted: it's just a bit hard to throw down for a scope or sight mount when i don't own a scope or sight but i do try to pick up other larue accessories. At the zombie match I shot a few weeks ago there were bags with dillo dust in 'em (thanks again guys!) My team won 30rnd mags - I traded someone a mag for a bottle of dillo dust I swear I'm gonna be turning tricks under the bridge soon for this stuff
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I am not even PACK LARUE. in fact i got my first and only 72hr ban for arguing with Kujoe so your pack larue logic FAILS you're all a bunch of entitlement minded leeches i like how the two biggest defenders of the crybabies are NON PAYING members of the site... Agreed |
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it's just a bit hard to throw down for a scope or sight mount when i don't own a scope or sight but i do try to pick up other larue accessories. At the zombie match I shot a few weeks ago there were bags with dillo dust in 'em (thanks again guys!) My team won 30rnd mags - I traded someone a mag for a bottle of dillo dust I swear I'm gonna be turning tricks under the bridge soon for this stuff you should use it as falvoring for corn. just mix some in butter and spread on the love its delicious. yeah i'm trying to get my wife to get me a trijicon accupoint or tripower for our anniversary. |
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All I know is that I am happy with the goods I receive for the price I pay, regardless of whether or not there is SWAG in there.
When you look at the competition, compare costs, and realize what you get with Larue products, I think that is really all you need to be concerned with. Would I say "hold the swag" and take a few bucks off if I had the choice? Perhaps on occasion I would, but I'm perfectly happy paying what I pay for what I get in return, regardless. |
| Cripes. This site just kills me sometimes. When other mounts pop off after rapid fire, don't hold zero, are, ahem, "soft," you learn the value of LaRue mounts. Anything else in the box is secondary. Appreciated, but secondary. I will, somehow, survive with another type of seasoning if it comes to that. I will, somehow, survive wearing a different type of hat. I won't, however, survive if my optic mount hits the deck if I bump it on something when running out of my room to confront an intruder. Focus people. This isn't about all the other stuff. This is about weapons accessories that work, no matter what. Freaking hell. |
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What a bunch of macho Internet tuff guys. Does anybody here actually understand the point of swag? It's called marketing,... Sir, if you're going to resort to reason and facts, I'm afraid the internet just might not be the place for you. eta –– I Mr LaRue had Dillo Dust for sale, I'd buy a 5 gallon bucket. I swear I think the wife is snorting the stuff. |
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Cripes. This site just kills me sometimes. When other mounts pop off after rapid fire, don't hold zero, are, ahem, "soft," you learn the value of LaRue mounts. Anything else in the box is secondary. Appreciated, but secondary. I will, somehow, survive with another type of seasoning if it comes to that. I will, somehow, survive wearing a different type of hat. I won't, however, survive if my optic mount hits the deck if I bump it on something when running out of my room to confront an intruder. Focus people. This isn't about all the other stuff. This is about weapons accessories that work, no matter what. Freaking hell. I don't think i will ever use my rifle in a HD situation. Nor will i use my rifle in a life and death situation. with that said i agree Larue makes great shit and the swag that comes with it is icing on the cake but it also serves me two ways by passing on items to other shooters that do not know about LT and be bringing new customers to LT by giving them my extra swag. so yes it's not about the swag it's about the products you order but still swag is awesome. |
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I doubt many people purchase LT mounts because of the free stuff that comes with it.
My first LT purchases came from dealers so no schwag. When I saw the quality I was hooked. When I saw that there were extras given away when purchased directly, I started purchasing from the source. The schwag doesn't affect my purchase of LT gear, it only affects where I purchase it from. |
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Cripes. This site just kills me sometimes. When other mounts pop off after rapid fire, don't hold zero, are, ahem, "soft," you learn the value of LaRue mounts. Anything else in the box is secondary. Appreciated, but secondary. I will, somehow, survive with another type of seasoning if it comes to that. I will, somehow, survive wearing a different type of hat. I won't, however, survive if my optic mount hits the deck if I bump it on something when running out of my room to confront an intruder. Focus people. This isn't about all the other stuff. This is about weapons accessories that work, no matter what. Freaking hell. I don't think i will ever use my rifle in a HD situation. Nor will i use my rifle in a life and death situation. with that said i agree Larue makes great shit and the swag that comes with it is icing on the cake but it also serves me two ways by passing on items to other shooters that do not know about LT and be bringing new customers to LT by giving them my extra swag. so yes it's not about the swag it's about the products you order but still swag is awesome. That's great, I have a family to protect, I am not going to count on "I don't think i will ever use my rifle in a HD situation." I am going to pray it doesn't happen, and be prepared for when it does. A little more thought on the subject: ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Quoted:
On a side note and probably preaching to the choir here but with a home invasion, carjacking or robbery, the time for you or your loved one to fight for your life is RIGHT THEN. You should always believe that no matter how much you cooperate and beg for your life, you are dead. These assholes give zero thought to human life so you should care not one bit for theirs. I told my wife to promise me one thing and I would promise her the same. I will never come home to her to tell her someone took or hurt our daughter because I will be dead from trying to stop it. There is no negotiation with these people. Make your stand there, it is your only shot. The wife in the Cheshire home invasion cooperated to save her two daughters. All three were raped, beaten and then burned alive as their house was set ablaze. That is never going to happen to me or any of the people I work with. One more time: I told my wife to promise me one thing and I would promise her the same. I will never come home to her to tell her someone took or hurt our daughter because I will be dead from trying to stop it.
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Quoted: Quoted: you are correct, but i never said i wouldn't use a gun just not my rifle, thats what i have a glock for. If you had a LT light mount w/ Surefire, and LT mount for your RDS of choice, I think you might change your mind. if you use a pistol it's a defensive weapon and you won't be as told to me by a Police Officer here. yes, when it comes down to it I'll grab what's next to me and use it...and if a rifle is required I'll use it, but that's why my Glock goes with me around the house. fwiw I trust LT mounts with my life. I know I beat on both an ACOG and EOTech mount enough in Iraq to know it works.
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A while back, after I made a hat purchase, I started a thread in the spirit of the 'Do you get a dillo when you order a dillo?' inquisitiveness that someone here tested. Now after reading all these posts and replies with the vitriol some have unleashed, I'm hoping I wasn't looked at as one of those that complains about what free stuff I did or didn't get, it was simply an exercise in curiosity.
I would imagine the same curiosity that drives those who don't understand how some will perceive their query as rudeness or entitlement. However tired we all get of reading those threads, there will always be newcomers that are simply just oblivious to the fact that some may react negatively to their question. I think some even ask just to get a rise out of LT's supporters, taking the 'any attention, even negative attention, is desired' approach. Now, if someone were to bash LT's products, I'd be all for reigning down on them with all guns blazing (usually I get to the thread in time to read the aftermath). For now though, I'm issuing myself a moratorium on ignorant newbie bashing regarding LT swag inquiry threads. I simply don't want to give those masochists looking for an internet beat down the satisfaction. Anyway, since it is a marketing tool, do we really want to do anything to sour that market? |
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you are correct, but i never said i wouldn't use a gun just not my rifle, thats what i have a glock for. If you had a LT light mount w/ Surefire, and LT mount for your RDS of choice, I think you might change your mind. if you use a pistol it's a defensive weapon and you won't be as told to me by a Police Officer here. yes, when it comes down to it I'll grab what's next to me and use it...and if a rifle is required I'll use it, but that's why my Glock goes with me around the house. fwiw I trust LT mounts with my life. I know I beat on both an ACOG and EOTech mount enough in Iraq to know it works.
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you are correct, but i never said i wouldn't use a gun just not my rifle, thats what i have a glock for. If you had a LT light mount w/ Surefire, and LT mount for your RDS of choice, I think you might change your mind. if you use a pistol it's a defensive weapon and you won't be as told to me by a Police Officer here. yes, when it comes down to it I'll grab what's next to me and use it...and if a rifle is required I'll use it, but that's why my Glock goes with me around the house. fwiw I trust LT mounts with my life. I know I beat on both an ACOG and EOTech mount enough in Iraq to know it works.
Can we even shoot some one that breaks in to our homes in the Peoples Republic of Maryland |
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you are correct, but i never said i wouldn't use a gun just not my rifle, thats what i have a glock for. If you had a LT light mount w/ Surefire, and LT mount for your RDS of choice, I think you might change your mind. if you use a pistol it's a defensive weapon and you won't be as told to me by a Police Officer here. yes, when it comes down to it I'll grab what's next to me and use it...and if a rifle is required I'll use it, but that's why my Glock goes with me around the house. fwiw I trust LT mounts with my life. I know I beat on both an ACOG and EOTech mount enough in Iraq to know it works.
Can we even shoot some one that breaks in to our homes in the Peoples Republic of Maryland Anyone fool enough to come in at O-dark-thirty will find out rather quickly. No duty to retreat - common law. PA - what dumb ass hick LEO made that "gun store wisdom" statement? I am not 100% certain - but IMHO he's full of shit |
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Anyone fool enough to come in at O-dark-thirty will find out rather quickly. No duty to retreat - common law. PA - what dumb ass hick LEO made that "gun store wisdom" statement? I am not 100% certain - but IMHO he's full of shit[/div] The fact of the matter is, for me, it doesn't matter. I have made my decision, it is to defend my family, whatever comes after that, I will live with. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: you are correct, but i never said i wouldn't use a gun just not my rifle, thats what i have a glock for. If you had a LT light mount w/ Surefire, and LT mount for your RDS of choice, I think you might change your mind. if you use a pistol it's a defensive weapon and you won't be as told to me by a Police Officer here. yes, when it comes down to it I'll grab what's next to me and use it...and if a rifle is required I'll use it, but that's why my Glock goes with me around the house. fwiw I trust LT mounts with my life. I know I beat on both an ACOG and EOTech mount enough in Iraq to know it works. Can we even shoot some one that breaks in to our homes in the Peoples Republic of Maryland Anyone fool enough to come in at O-dark-thirty will find out rather quickly. No duty to retreat - common law. PA - what dumb ass hick LEO made that "gun store wisdom" statement? I am not 100% certain - but IMHO he's full of shit Castle doctrine should (hopefully) be going through soon.... I won't worry 'bout it after that. |
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I really think the entitlement moniker is not in true spirit of some of the posts that get made in regards to swag. I know there are many here that will recommend a LaRue product based on the QUALITY and PERFORMANCE of the item, and then mention all the cool SWAG that comes with the purchase. So, when you build up a product and the cool goodies that come with it, I could see where some people can feel let down if they miss out on something. I don't think it is always a sense of entitlement as much as it is confusion and maybe a bit of disappointment.
If you step back and think of all the enriching experiences you have had opening a beer bottle with your trusty Dillo as you are eating some of the finest pork chops you have ever tasted while wearing a cool hat that holds your sunglasses in place as you post pictures of your kick ass builds featuuring LaRue gear... who wouldn't want to be that happy?.
In the end the answer is as simple as the one my Son's Pre-school teacher tells him: "Ya get what ya get and you don't throw a fit" That said, the posts regarding how to game the system to optimize the free stuff deserve the ritualistic flaming that they receive! |
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Quoted: I really think the entitlement moniker is not in true spirit of some of the posts that get made in regards to swag. I know there are many here that will recommend a LaRue product based on the QUALITY and PERFORMANCE of the item, and then mention all the cool SWAG that comes with the purchase. So, when you build up a product and the cool goodies that come with it, I could see where some people can feel let down if they miss out on something. I don't think it is always a sense of entitlement as much as it is confusion and maybe a bit of disappointment. If you step back and think of all the enriching experiences you have had opening a beer bottle with your trusty Dillo as you are eating some of the finest pork chops you have ever tasted while wearing a cool hat that holds your sunglasses in place as you post pictures of your kick ass builds featuuring LaRue gear... who wouldn't want to be that happy?. In the end the answer is as simple as the one my Son's Pre-school teacher tells him: "Ya get what ya get and you don't throw a fit" That said, the posts regarding how to game the system to optimize the free stuff deserve the ritualistic flaming that they receive! WOw, best said yet!!! I have been thinking about this and trying to find out how to word it just right, you have nailed it... At least in my Opinion, which I realize, is only that... |
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This is simple. If you like their products, order them. Don't order in hopes for a case of dillo dust included, and three hats of different colors. Plain and simple is they make probably the finest AR accessories available, if that isn't enough of a perk to you, then go buy NCStar or UTG. |