Posted: 5/24/2009 6:35:36 PM EDT
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I know what reply I'm going to get, but I'm just saying that an even more durable metal version of the MBUS would be flippin' sweet.
Oh, and to cut to the chase: As for now we are not releasing any information on products that may or may not be in the works. We're always looking for new ways to improve on existing products and explore the boundaries of new ideas. Thanks." 
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Lets see. Magpul is known for making steel awesomeness.
So they bring a SET of sights to the market that are filled with WIN and you get the set around 80 bucks retail thus ass whupping the competition on price. Now you want them to make an machine steel version so that you get a littel warm and fuzzy. Now the thing is probably gonna cost about the same as a set of Troy's in the $250 a set range. I thinknk you are mission the point here Captain Fail Train. |
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Captain Fail Train is actually on to something. I do remember seeing a metal version on the MBUS on the TDI website several months ago (prominently displayed on the new KRISS Super V subgun). I believe the TDI was selling them for $350ish at the time. They have since been replaced by an "MI" offering.
I think we are going to see some issues with the new composite sight unless they start to manufacture the base of it out of metal. |
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I have 11 sets of them on guns now. Every single one if them runs just fine. Perhaps it is because I dont over torque the bolt like a retard though. Just a thought. I think you might be on to something there sherlock. Gee guys, little bit of locktite, not a huge amount of torque and you're good to go for life. Several thousand rounds later through my MBUS and it hasnt loosened or broken. Im not going to say conclusively that these sights are better than a metal offering but so far, no one has posted about any failures not linked to user induced malfunctions. |
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Lets see. Magpul is known for making steel awesomeness. So they bring a SET of sights to the market that are filled with WIN and you get the set around 80 bucks retail thus ass whupping the competition on price. Now you want them to make an machine steel version so that you get a littel warm and fuzzy. Now the thing is probably gonna cost about the same as a set of Troy's in the $250 a set range. I thinknk you are mission the point here Captain Fail Train. My point was entirely different, Hasher1. My point was that I love the design of the MBUS. I like the 'push down to release' method, and would like to see a metal version. My understanding, based on what various Magpul employees have said here, is that the MBUS is aimed the segment of the AR toting populace that would not normally spend the extra ~$200 that a set of steel BUIS would run. Thus, the MBUS is a low cost, high-quality alternative made of polymer. I'm suggesting that a high-quality steel version built without the goal of a low price would have some success as well. The MBUS is part of the MOE line of Magpul kit, right? Some people would rather pay more and get more, like the difference between the MOE Carbine Stock and the CTR. I, for one, would be willing to pay more. |
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I think we are going to see some issues with the new composite sight unless they start to manufacture the base of it out of metal. And when would that be? The Magpul Dynamics guys have been running these for a long time, they shoot as much in a year as some do in a lifetime. When Dr.Drake says he has been using them for a long time and they have been holding up perfectly, it tells me that most of the problems can be be attributed to "you're not doing it right." Obviously there have been a couple minor issues as with any new product. There were a couple crooked FSPs, a few apertures not centered exactly (which won't actually affect function once it is zeroed), and a few people didn't have the pin installed in the windage knob. Other than that it's guys that have no feel for how tight they are torquing things. |
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I think we are going to see some issues with the new composite sight unless they start to manufacture the base of it out of metal. And when would that be? Now. These sights have only been out a month and already there have been two reports of cracked sights due to over-torqued mounting. So easy a caveman can do it ? I don't think so... People will continue to over-torque the sight. Since you can't change people, change the sight (make the base out of metal). |
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I think we are going to see some issues with the new composite sight unless they start to manufacture the base of it out of metal. And when would that be? Now. These sights have only been out a month and already there have been two reports of cracked sights due to over-torqued mounting. So easy a caveman can do it ? I don't think so... People will continue to over-torque the sight. Since you can't change people, change the sight (make the base out of metal). Actually, since they are the first polymer sight out there, I think it is more a case of people learning about the difference (instead of giving up and making a $150 sight like everyone else). And two out of how ever many have been pushed out the door already sounds pretty good, actually. Now, if S&W had come back and said that there was an issue with them breaking, I would be thinking something completely different. The failure rates have been acceptably low so far, and Magpul is working to make it all good, not to mention free replacement of the sights that were broken due to operator error. |
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The failure rates have been acceptably low so far...
None of us know how many have actually broke, other than a few threads here. Apparently it has been an issue hence the revised instructions put forth by MAGPUL. Or they're just pro-active in addressing the future gorillas who will use air tools set to 870,000 ft-tons of torque. 
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The failure rates have been acceptably low so far...
None of us know how many have actually broke, other than a few threads here. Apparently it has been an issue hence the revised instructions put forth by MAGPUL. Or they're just pro-active in addressing the future gorillas who will use air tools set to 870,000 ft-tons of torque.
+1 Yeesh, I've installed 5 of these things so far. All 5 if tightened down a good deal, then just marked the bolt with a paint pen to see if it was backing out on sustained fire. Guess what...not one single problem with mine or any other ones I've seen. |
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The failure rates have been acceptably low so far...
None of us know how many have actually broke, other than a few threads here. Apparently it has been an issue hence the revised instructions put forth by MAGPUL. Actually, not very many that we've seen yet. We didn't ever encounter this over-torquing problem during development and testing and therefore never put any tightening guidelines in the instructions. However the beauty of these forums is that it keeps us in touch with an enthusiastic customer base that makes us aware of, and consequently allows us to quickly address, issues as they crop up. 
BTW The MBUS was designed as a high quality but low cost BACKUP sight and utilizes impact resistant polymers similar to those in the PMAG and our stocks. A metal version would defeat the design intent of the MBUS as it would most likely be very expensive to build (in its current configuration)... |
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The failure rates have been acceptably low so far...
None of us know how many have actually broke, other than a few threads here. Apparently it has been an issue hence the revised instructions put forth by MAGPUL. Actually, not very many that we've seen yet. We didn't ever encounter this over-torquing problem during development and testing and therefore never put any tightening guidelines in the instructions. However the beauty of these forums is that it keeps us in touch with an enthusiastic customer base that makes us aware of, and consequently allows us to quickly address, issues as they crop up.
BTW The MBUS was designed as a high quality but low cost BACKUP sight and utilizes impact resistant polymers similar to those in the PMAG and our stocks. A metal version would defeat the design intent of the MBUS as it would most likely be very expensive to build (in its current configuration)... Thanks for the reply, sir. Is it your estimation that the MBUS will hold up to the same amount of abuse while in the folded position as a metal BUIS? I don't generally beat on my iron sights, but mistakes do happen. |
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I think we are going to see some issues with the new composite sight unless they start to manufacture the base of it out of metal. And when would that be? Now. These sights have only been out a month and already there have been two reports of cracked sights due to over-torqued mounting. So easy a caveman can do it ? I don't think so... People will continue to over-torque the sight. Since you can't change people, change the sight (make the base out of metal). JBEARD: Any estimates on how many MBUS are in use? Front and rear, since they would be susceptible to the same problem. Am I overestimating in thinking that you guys have put out thousands of these between your deals with SW, Noveske, all those that have gone to other MFGs and , and those that have been sold to retailers? I know they have been in some peoples hands since before SHOT. And there have been 2 reports here on ARFCOM of overtorquing problems. Looks like most of the world manages to get along just fine NOT tightening until they break. |