Posted: 2/18/2013 9:27:23 PM EDT
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Two email responses from RRA regarding the NY issue:
Thank you for your input. We are discussing the topic and will take all inout into consideration as we further discuss it. Steve/RRA Steve Mayer RRA LE/Government Sales Manager 866-980-7625 Ext 127 309.792.5781 (Fax) [email protected] and From 2/15: Thanks xxxxx. We just (as in this morning) heard back from our NY attorney and will be discussing his comments sometime next week. Thank you. Steve/RRA Steve Mayer RRA LE/Government Sales Manager 866-980-7625 Ext 127 309.792.5781 (Fax) [email protected] I received the top one. The bottom is from nyfirearms. Hopefully they make a good decision. I believe the issue would be that they are the choice for NYSP patrol rifles. Does anyone know for certain? |
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That's me in both of those responses.
We have historically been busy with NY orders, but as of the passage of thr SAFE (but unconstittutional) Act, we'ver been holding order swhile our NY attorney got the rrun down on it as well as clearing up some other issues that we had with it. We've received that information and are actually talking about it tioday and tomorrow. Steve/RRA |
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Thank you for taking the time to reply to the OP's emails. As a police officer in St Louis, (who's department is planning to transition to your rifles), I would like to go on record as supporting RRA's and any and all other companies that choose to stop selling firearms/magazines/other items to LEO's in states that specifically prohibit their non LEO residents to own or possess. Bottom line, if Non LE cannot own the firearm, magazine, or other item in a State, by law, then LE should not be allowed to purchase it either. This should include Federal LE as well. Thank you for your time. |
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Steve, Thank you for taking the time to reply to the OP's emails. As a police officer in St Louis, (who's department is planning to transition to your rifles), I would like to go on record as supporting RRA's and any and all other companies that choose to stop selling firearms/magazines/other items to LEO's in states that specifically prohibit their non LEO residents to own or possess. Bottom line, if Non LE cannot own the firearm, magazine, or other item in a State, by law, then LE should not be allowed to purchase it either. This should include Federal LE as well. Thank you for your time. WOW! 
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Steve, Thank you for taking the time to reply to the OP's emails. As a police officer in St Louis, (who's department is planning to transition to your rifles), I would like to go on record as supporting RRA's and any and all other companies that choose to stop selling firearms/magazines/other items to LEO's in states that specifically prohibit their non LEO residents to own or possess. Bottom line, if Non LE cannot own the firearm, magazine, or other item in a State, by law, then LE should not be allowed to purchase it either. This should include Federal LE as well. Thank you for your time. +1 WOW!
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| In no way do I want to hijack this topic, but as law enforcement, I share your sentiments. If the citizens can't buy something neither should the individual officer or the departments in the offending states. Some guys/girls in my profession may feel differently than me, but you would be VERY suprised at how many feel exactly the same. We all took the same oath to uphold the constitutions of our respective states and of the United States. The attempted legislation in the states and within this country sadden many of us too..We are all in this together. |
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do the right thing rock river/steve, and we civvies will more than make up for the contracts that you stopped for the gestapo. ive got cash to burn and waiting for products to buy  This. I've been looking for a good excuse to buy some RRA products. Look at what happened to Trident Armory - the day they cut ties to LEO and .gov they got deluged with new orders (over 65 times their normal volume). |
| In this thread in the NY forum a member is reporting that RRA has suspended NY LE sales. Is this true? |
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In this thread in the NY forum a member is reporting that RRA has suspended NY LE sales. Is this true? Without a formal statement from RRA this is just rumor. With a formal statement it is full of win. 
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In this thread in the NY forum a member is reporting that RRA has suspended NY LE sales. Is this true? Without a formal statement from RRA this is just rumor. With a formal statement it is full of win. Well I figured this would be the right place to ask. 
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In this thread in the NY forum a member is reporting that RRA has suspended NY LE sales. Is this true? Without a formal statement from RRA this is just rumor. With a formal statement it is full of win. Well I figured this would be the right place to ask.
If you go to RRA webpage you will see right there in the middle of your screen their statement to NY residents informing them that all SHIPMENT (not sales) have been suspended until further notice. |
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If you go to RRA webpage you will see right there in the middle of your screen their statement to NY residents informing them that all SHIPMENT (not sales) have been suspended until further notice. Well would ya look at that. Thanks! It's been that way for days. Still not an official policy on LEO/Gov sales. |
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No reply is a reply. Maybe they know we won't like their decision. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Steve said they are figuring it out so lets let him take him at his word. RRA has lots of LEO contracts so Im sure there is a lot of legalese to sort thru before making any statement. |
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I called RRA on wednesday morning and got through first try. Keep trying. And they said what? I had some account changes to make. Yes, i have an upper on order with them, and no....i did not ask lead time. My point being...........I tried for over a month to get a hold of a living breathing person, and could not. Not even emails were responded to. But finally I got through. |
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Thanks for the updates Steve! Is it correct you have the patrol rifle contract for the Governors Gestapo aka NYSP? We do have the NYSP patrol rifle contract, and have for several years. All a matter of public record. Steve/RRA So can it be assumed that RRA will continue with these contracts and continue to supply the LEO's of NY with a product that the common citizen is banned to own? OR Will RRA step up and announce that this existing contract will not be renewed until the gun ban is lifted? (Realizing there are certain legal obligations to fulfill your contract, but as I understand it the contract was signed in 2009, which on a 5 year deal would mean RRA contract would end next year.) I think as the contracted supplier to New York, you own it to not only the American Public but to your loyal civilian customers to publicly make your position (and legal circumstances) known. |
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Take a tip from Barrett's book.
Also as someone posted in GD there is currently no LEO exemption in the law so why wouldn't the contract be voided? I am a veteran and I am NOT exempt. I am a current first responder and I am NOT exempt. Will RRA Ship to me? Barrett’s Position Regarding the Assault on Liberty February 20, 2013 Barrett opposes those who are illegally disarming the American public from their efficient arms and creating superior armed elitist government agencies. Elected state officials of New York, having been sworn to protect our Constitution, have instead committed an offense against it and their citizens by stripping inalienable rights duly protected and guaranteed under the Second Amendment. By their deliberate and sinister actions, these officials now cause their state and local policing agencies to enforce these unconstitutional and illegal so called “laws”. By current law, Barrett cannot be an accomplice with any lawbreaker, therefore, cannot and will not service or sell to New York government agencies. Barrett also applies this stance to the individual elected official who, as a matter of public record, has voted for or created regulation that violates the constitutional rights of their citizens. This is an expansion of our 2002 ban against the California government due to their second amendment infringements, and shall apply to any future violators. In the course of world history there have been officials that strip inalienable rights from the people that were given to all by our Creator. Most of these officials inevitably come to trial, some do not. Intentionally violating constitutional rights by officials that have sworn to uphold them should have severe prison sentences. With the clear vision of horrible events in history repeating itself, all manufacturers of firearms or related equipment remaining in partnership with such violators should have a respectable fear of being found with the guilty on their day of trial. During this era of assault on liberty, Barrett will remain steadfast in our efforts to serve law-abiding citizens of all fifty states, and stands together with you in the struggles we will fight and win. Ronnie Barrett Chairman and CEO |
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Thanks for the updates Steve! Is it correct you have the patrol rifle contract for the Governors Gestapo aka NYSP? We do have the NYSP patrol rifle contract, and have for several years. All a matter of public record. Steve/RRA So can it be assumed that RRA will continue with these contracts and continue to supply the LEO's of NY with a product that the common citizen is banned to own? OR Will RRA step up and announce that this existing contract will not be renewed until the gun ban is lifted? (Realizing there are certain legal obligations to fulfill your contract, but as I understand it the contract was signed in 2009, which on a 5 year deal would mean RRA contract would end next year.) I think as the contracted supplier to New York, you own it to not only the American Public but to your loyal civilian customers to publicly make your position (and legal circumstances) known. Give them some time, it takes a lot of time to sort through the legalities of canceling contracts, etc. They'll make good on their promise of an answer in the future. |
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I would also indicate that we sell SBRs and select-fire rifles to departments all over the country that the "regular guy" cannot legally buy. That argument can only go so far.
We will honor legal contarcts for the duration of those contracts. Once a contract expires, it is no longer a contract..it is an expired contract and its terms are no longer in force. Steve/RRA |
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Take a tip from Barrett's book. Also as someone posted in GD there is currently no LEO exemption in the law so why wouldn't the contract be voided? I am a veteran and I am NOT exempt. I am a current first responder and I am NOT exempt. Will RRA Ship to me? Barrett’s Position Regarding the Assault on Liberty February 20, 2013 Barrett opposes those who are illegally disarming the American public from their efficient arms and creating superior armed elitist government agencies. Elected state officials of New York, having been sworn to protect our Constitution, have instead committed an offense against it and their citizens by stripping inalienable rights duly protected and guaranteed under the Second Amendment. By their deliberate and sinister actions, these officials now cause their state and local policing agencies to enforce these unconstitutional and illegal so called “laws”. By current law, Barrett cannot be an accomplice with any lawbreaker, therefore, cannot and will not service or sell to New York government agencies. Barrett also applies this stance to the individual elected official who, as a matter of public record, has voted for or created regulation that violates the constitutional rights of their citizens. This is an expansion of our 2002 ban against the California government due to their second amendment infringements, and shall apply to any future violators. In the course of world history there have been officials that strip inalienable rights from the people that were given to all by our Creator. Most of these officials inevitably come to trial, some do not. Intentionally violating constitutional rights by officials that have sworn to uphold them should have severe prison sentences. With the clear vision of horrible events in history repeating itself, all manufacturers of firearms or related equipment remaining in partnership with such violators should have a respectable fear of being found with the guilty on their day of trial. During this era of assault on liberty, Barrett will remain steadfast in our efforts to serve law-abiding citizens of all fifty states, and stands together with you in the struggles we will fight and win. Ronnie Barrett Chairman and CEO Contrary to what is erroneously stated in the GD, check New York State Penal Law, Section 265.20 (8) for the exception for LE/LEOs in New York. It is unchanged by the SAFE Act. |
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I would also indicate that we sell SBRs and select-fire rifles to departments all over the country that the "regular guy" cannot legally buy. That argument can only go so far. We will honor legal contarcts for the duration of those contracts. Once a contract expires, it is no longer a contract..it is an expired contract and its terms are no longer in force. Steve/RRA Steve - Would this mean that RRA will no longer accept contracts from LE agencies in Ban states? When is the expiration of the NYSP contract or where can I find that public record to review it? I assume that those contracts do not cover off duty or retired LEOs, will you still sell to them in ban states? Does RRA plan on making a more definitive statement/press release in the near future? |
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Hopefully RRA can tell NY that NY breached contract by making their products suddenly illegal in the state, thus adversely impacting RRAs business in a manner that was not in place when the original contract was written.
I'm no lawyer, but what the hell. Half the shit that liberals have passed as law or through the courts was built on far shakier ground... |
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Thanks for the updates Steve! Is it correct you have the patrol rifle contract for the Governors Gestapo aka NYSP? We do have the NYSP patrol rifle contract, and have for several years. All a matter of public record. Steve/RRA So you plan on "honoring that contract" but not the "contract" you've had with people that order mags at a given price? How do you justify this? Serious question. |
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Contrary to what is erroneously stated in the GD, check New York State Penal Law, Section 265.20 (8) for the exception for LE/LEOs in New York. It is unchanged by the SAFE Act. LEO's are not exempted from articles 265.01-A, Criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds, and 265.01-B, Criminal possession of a weapon, which includes possession of "hi-cap" magazines and "assault weapons." These addenda to Article 265 are separate from 265.01, and the penal law requires LEO's to be specifically exempted. The State Police SAFE 2013 hotline claims the 265.01 exemption covers 265.01-A and 265.01-B, but they're incorrect. Those exemptions do not exist under the new law unless an amendment is made to the law, and technically the time period for amendments has expired. |
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So what is the official statement from RRA on sales to LE in ban jurisdictions?
Will RRA provide the arms LE will use to enforce these gun bans or not? It really is a yes or no question. They will, or they won't. Anything else is intentional obfuscation and doublespeak. It is amazing how many regular people are up to speed on this. Even the "Fudds" at the local gun shop are paying attention to this. WAY different environment from 1994. |
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So what is the official statement from RRA on sales to LE in ban jurisdictions? Will RRA provide the arms LE will use to enforce these gun bans or not? It really is a yes or no question. They will, or they won't. Anything else is intentional obfuscation and doublespeak. It is amazing how many regular people are up to speed on this. Even the "Fudds" at the local gun shop are paying attention to this. WAY different environment from 1994. +1 |