Posted: 1/24/2012 5:50:14 AM EDT
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Who cares, they're worthless and needlessly expensive anyway. Need to see with a carbine, get a damn light. Absolutely, because it's so much more sporting to fire up a nice bright flashlight so every enemy within a few clicks knows exactly where to aim, rather than sneaking around with a couple of tiny dots that only help YOU aim. pesky ninjas with their tridium dots, not cricket at all. 
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Who cares, they're worthless and needlessly expensive anyway. Need to see with a carbine, get a damn light. Absolutely, because it's so much more sporting to fire up a nice bright flashlight so every enemy within a few clicks knows exactly where to aim, rather than sneaking around with a couple of tiny dots that only help YOU aim. pesky ninjas with their tridium dots, not cricket at all.
Have you ever run any training in low/no light? Obviously talking room-to-room here. Flash/move, target disorientation, target identification, etc. cannot be done with glowing dots on a sight post. And I would hope no one is dumb enough to switch a torch on and remain static. To follow your logic at distance, or a few clicks as you put it, in low/no light...who in God's name would use irons? Tritium inserts or not. Bottom line, if one needs to see at night without being seen, well there's NV for that at distance. In close quarters, white light...preferably 200 or so lumens. [sarcasm]But that's just me being crazy, ask anyone who's run a light in combat...they'd much rather have tritium iron sights [/sarcasm] 
ETA: no disrespect towards PSA for stocking this...love you guys...no homo. Stock what the public will buy, looks Dragynn will fill your pockets on this one. |
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Flash/move, target disorientation, target identification, etc. cannot be done with glowing dots on a sight post. Sorry, not trying to whip you into another episode of tourettes bro , but this statement is wrong as well. dead wrong. you would never get close in a room-to-room sweep with your flashlight. Tritium 3-dots on a cheap wheelgun and you and your expensive flashlight are toast my friend.
Perhaps you meant to say that you personally cannot do those things with glowing dots on a sight post, but you shouldn't assume that it applies to everyone as a result. I need more coffee...care for a cup? 
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I would respond..but now you're comparing a wheelgun to an AR for close quarter work and I can't continue without throwing up on myself/having heart palpitations. I perosnally can't and won't use tritium sights on an AR (which is what we're talking about here)...if it was a good idea top trainers would teach it and the MK18 blockX would consist of night sight options instead of rail mounted lights.
Look for a good RB1, Vickers, Defoor, etc. class in your area...and pose this question to them if you dare. ETA: I guess I'm responding so I'll add to that, I have asked one of the above a question similar to this prior to instruction and was told something along the lines of, for low light, in order of preference: –– CQB-type application driven Reliable red dot (Aimpoint preferred - batt life) Light (less than 300L, to reduce wash on partner/team) Fixed irons (obviously silhouetted by aforementioned light) Long range NV compatible optic with PVS14 or similar OR MVP Raptor ..no mention of fancy tritium inserted irons. I see their merit, maybe, on a pistol. And that's it. Tell you what, sign up for a LL class at USTC or the like, you can use a wheelgun with night sights, and I'll use a SBR with fixed irons and light. We'll see how each of us does. |
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pose this question to them if you dare. Well gosh, why wouldn't I dare? Are they gonna beat me up with their little flashlights?  They'd most likely verbally rape you in front of the class (no lube). Still waiting for some constructive reasoning behind your stance. Guess I'll never get it. ETA: some reading material for you http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7206084761/m/216102357?r=216102357#216102357 "Rear tritium causes a "light curtain effect". Your eye cannot focus past a bright point of light, especially near your eye. The vials bloom and you cannot center the front. This causes people to back off of the gun to align three dots... instead of driving the gun. With ghost rings you don't need to see the rear sight. If you are doing anything other than looking at the front sight, you are doing it wrong. Centering the sight occurs naturally. Even in low light with a tritium front." "Trit rear sights on an AR are useless and should be avoided." -Pat Rogers, EAG |
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They'd most likely verbally rape you in front of the class (no lube). Sounds like a great group of guys...yikes...are you sure you are speaking for them on this matter? I personally would sweep a house with a pair of pistols before i'd choose an AR, and a shotgun over both of them. Tritium sights are great in low/no light on handguns, devastatingly so in the hands of an expert. I don't think it's such a good idea to be the source of light in an otherwise lightless situation, good way to get perished IMO. Don't really care about any group-think on the subject, I know what works for me, might be different for other folks and that's okay. Take care amigo. ~D |
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They'd most likely verbally rape you in front of the class (no lube). Sounds like a great group of guys...yikes...are you sure you are speaking for them on this matter? I personally would sweep a house with a pair of pistols before i'd choose an AR, and a shotgun over both of them. Tritium sights are great in low/no light on handguns, devastatingly so in the hands of an expert. I don't think it's such a good idea to be the source of light in an otherwise lightless situation, good way to get perished IMO. Don't really care about any group-think on the subject, I know what works for me, might be different for other folks and that's okay. Take care amigo. ~D They're known for being funny/tearing apart students over (unjustified) gear choices. It helps everyone get better and gives folks a laugh. They're not running for political office and they're the pros, no harm in voicing their opinion. A PAIR of pistols? Jesus Christ. Well this isn't the place for this debate anyway, as this rear sight is clearly for a LONG GUN. Not a pistol. And it's an unfair comparison (pistol v AR). Capacity, ease of manipulation, etc....but you keep running around your AO dual-wielding pistols. Man this place is the spot to be if you want to hear it all 
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They'd most likely verbally rape you in front of the class (no lube). Sounds like a great group of guys...yikes...are you sure you are speaking for them on this matter? I personally would sweep a house with a pair of pistols before i'd choose an AR, and a shotgun over both of them. Tritium sights are great in low/no light on handguns, devastatingly so in the hands of an expert. I don't think it's such a good idea to be the source of light in an otherwise lightless situation, good way to get perished IMO. Don't really care about any group-think on the subject, I know what works for me, might be different for other folks and that's okay. Take care amigo. ~D They're known for being funny/tearing apart students over (unjustified) gear choices. It helps everyone get better and gives folks a laugh. They're not running for political office and they're the pros, no harm in voicing their opinion. A PAIR of pistols? Jesus Christ. Well this isn't the place for this debate anyway, as this rear sight is clearly for a LONG GUN. Not a pistol. And it's an unfair comparison (pistol v AR). Capacity, ease of manipulation, etc....but you keep running around your AO dual-wielding pistols. Man this place is the spot to be if you want to hear it all What the fuck... did school let out early today? Do your Moms know you're on the computers? For LE agencies that restrict officers to iron sights on their AR's tritium sights in conjunction with a light aren't a bad way to go. A light to ID your target does you no good if you can't see your sights to engage. For everyone else...optics are a better option. |
I just can't stand the amount of misinformation some are so intent on spewing forth through their keyboards.
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For LE agencies that restrict officers to iron sights on their AR's tritium sights in conjunction with a light aren't a bad way to go. A light to ID your target does you no good if you can't see your sights to engage. Exactly. For everyone else...optics are a better option.
Until your batteries die. Then you might want to have some redundancy built in. But ol' whiplash's batteries never die, he's like the energizer bunny, just keeps going.....
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For LE agencies that restrict officers to iron sights on their AR's tritium sights in conjunction with a light aren't a bad way to go. A light to ID your target does you no good if you can't see your sights to engage. Exactly. For everyone else...optics are a better option.
Until your batteries die. Then you might want to have some redundancy built in. But ol' whiplash's batteries never die, he's like the energizer bunny, just keeps going.....
perks of the good ol aimpoint's battery life. but that's just something I read online. |
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Back OT: Looks like it is spelled right on the page, but the page title itself still says "tridium", they need a webmastah. That's because they fixed it. It was misspelled on the page as well. Well now the title of this page says "Tridium" too, lol, plus you got whiplash stirred up. Just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished.
Rainy day hyar in Tejas, waiting on my PSA lower build kit and watching the onions grow. |
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Back OT: Looks like it is spelled right on the page, but the page title itself still says "tridium", they need a webmastah. That's because they fixed it. It was misspelled on the page as well. Thanks for the heads up. We are working on all aspects of the website daily. 
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Back OT: Looks like it is spelled right on the page, but the page title itself still says "tridium", they need a webmastah. That's because they fixed it. It was misspelled on the page as well. Thanks for the heads up. We are working on all aspects of the website daily. No problem. Sorry about turning your forum into a mad house on the virtues of night sights, wasn't my intention at all. |
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.....Sorry about turning your forum into a mad house on the virtues of night sights, wasn't my intention at all. Pretty good of 'ya to point it out. It's still misspelled in the web-link though. It's funny how folks can hang all kinds of crap off of an otherwise useful rifle, and then go all ape shit when they see a perfectly useful product that they don't personally approve of. Don't like the sights?....then don't buy the friggin sights!!! A shooting buddy of mine has a set on his carbine, and they work as advertised. I like them, and I will be adding a set to one of my carbines soon. So lay back and chill out, and stroke them thar tactical fuzzy dice if it'll make 'ya feel better.
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