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Is there a source for the adapter cable that connects the TCI PRC-152 radio to the Nexus AP-107 male that allows the use of the mil-surp VIC3 Bose Triport TTH and CVC headsets?
Attached File Attached File Delaire USA makes a TRAC cable that connects the MIL Triport TTH/ITH headset to a MIL AN/PRC 152 radio. I haven't contacted them yet and I'm pretty sure it will be unavailable or uber expensive. Link to their web page: Delaire USA TRAC cable Attached File Just wondering if someone has successfully connected the MIL headsets to the TRI PRC-152, thanks Regards Rod |
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Quoted: Is there a source for the adapter cable that connects the TCI PRC-152 radio to the Nexus AP-107 male that allows the use of the mil-surp VIC3 Bose Triport TTH and CVC headsets? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/181815/s-l1600_jpg-1522043.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/181815/10951_jpg-1522047.JPG Delaire USA makes a TRAC cable that connects the MIL Triport TTH/ITH headset to a MIL AN/PRC 152 radio. I haven't contacted them yet and I'm pretty sure it will be unavailable or uber expensive. Link to their web page: Delaire USA TRAC cable https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/181815/TRAC1_jpg-1522067.JPG Just wondering if someone has successfully connected the MIL headsets to the TRI PRC-152, thanks Regards Rod View Quote Not my ad, but I've bought from them before, with no issues. For under $12, and ditching the cord that went from the connector to the headset, check Nevada Surplus's ad on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/David-Clark-Aviation-Headset-Push-To-Talk-Box-PTT-MBITR-6-Pin-to-Nexus-AJ-107BR/132795220406?hash=item1eeb3641b6:g:Zs4AAOSwJ7RYR11y:sc:USPSPriorityMailSmallFlatRateBox!98059!US!- |
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Quoted: Is there a source for the adapter cable that connects the TCI PRC-152 radio to the Nexus AP-107 male that allows the use of the mil-surp VIC3 Bose Triport TTH and CVC headsets.. Just wondering if someone has successfully connected the MIL headsets to the TRI PRC-152, thanks Regards Rod View Quote How does your headset connect to the nexusAP107 (Ot is that the native connector on your headset?? I’ve connected nexus PTTs and Peltor PTTs to my TRI PRC 152. (but my headsets have tp-120 connectors) |
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Quoted: Not my ad, but I've bought from them before, with no issues. For under $12, and ditching the cord that went from the connector to the headset, check Nevada Surplus's ad on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/David-Clark-Aviation-Headset-Push-To-Talk-Box-PTT-MBITR-6-Pin-to-Nexus-AJ-107BR/132795220406?hash=item1eeb3641b6:g:Zs4AAOSwJ7RYR11y:sc:USPSPriorityMailSmallFlatRateBox!98059!US!- View Quote Thanks GunnyG I found that on Ebay a while back; price is right, but unsure how having 2 inline PTT's will work out, since the Bose triports have PTT built inline below the head set. The CVC helmet has the PTT built into the left ear cup of the headset and has a open mic setting; maybe leaving it in the "open" position will allow the David Clark PTT to take over function? Don't know at this point. Not sure I want to purchase unless I am reasonably sure it may work. I also have considered building something up, but I'm not a electronic tech guy; the only reason I have a soldering iron is to burn holes in crap.LOL Not sure I want to go down either of those rabbit holes at this point. Thanks for the link; at least it confirms I'm heading in the right direction. I'm just trying to find a source for the Delaire TRAC cable or another vendor with the same adapter. Best regards Rod |
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Quoted: ... Just wondering if someone has successfully connected the MIL headsets to the TRI PRC-152, thanksmk Regards Rod View Quote I have and can use any of these: With dynamic mic's, a 6-pin H-350 handset , a 6-pin Otto trucker style external microphone speaker, and a David Clark single side UAV operator's headset through a 6 pin Peltor PTT. |
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Quoted: Thanks GunnyG I found that on Ebay a while back; price is right, but unsure how having 2 inline PTT's will work out, since the Bose triports have PTT built inline below the head set. The CVC helmet has the PTT built into the left ear cup of the headset and has a open mic setting; maybe leaving it in the "open" position will allow the David Clark PTT to take over function? Don't know at this point. Not sure I want to purchase unless I am reasonably sure it may work. I also have considered building something up, but I'm not a electronic tech guy; the only reason I have a soldering iron is to burn holes in crap.LOL Not sure I want to go down either of those rabbit holes at this point. Thanks for the link; at least it confirms I'm heading in the right direction. I'm just trying to find a source for the Delaire TRAC cable or another vendor with the same adapter. Best regards Rod View Quote Okay... if you don't mind trying some shopping in Germany, and I don't know if they will, or how much they'd charge for shipping, but check this out sub-$30 solution (23.47 euros converts to $27.62) https://www.reforger.de/en/cable/254-cvc-helmet-cable.html or https://www.reforger.de/en/cable/1510-cvc-helmet-intercom-cable.html |
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Quoted: How does your headset connect to the nexusAP107 (Ot is that the native connector on your headset?? I’ve connected nexus PTTs and Peltor PTTs to my TRI PRC 152. (but my headsets have tp-120 connectors) View Quote EDIT sorry I missed your inquiry in parenthesis; It's the "native" connector to both head sets. The AP-107 is the plug dangling off the CVC "tanker" headset, and the plug dangling off the the PTT on the Triport TTH headset(see the last pic in my post above) It connects to the AJ-107(female) jack; which is mated to a M55116 via cable in between. This is what allows the US soldier to disconnect from their vehicle and connect to PRC-148/152 using the headsets they are currently wearing. They disconnect from the bail-out cable and connect to the TRAC cable and then connect to the PRC, allowing full function of their head sets with the 2-way "soldier" radio. In the past if a soldier dismounted a vehicle, they would have to remove their helmet and replace their head set for one suitable for the operation on foot. I'm looking for the TRAC cable to see if it will function as it does with a MIL PRC 148/152 radio. Regards Rod |
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Quoted: Okay... if you don't mind trying some shopping in Germany, and I don't know if they will, or how much they'd charge for shipping, but check this out sub-$30 solution (23.47 euros converts to $27.62) https://www.reforger.de/en/cable/254-cvc-helmet-cable.html View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Okay... if you don't mind trying some shopping in Germany, and I don't know if they will, or how much they'd charge for shipping, but check this out sub-$30 solution (23.47 euros converts to $27.62) https://www.reforger.de/en/cable/254-cvc-helmet-cable.html Thanks, thats the CVC bailout cable and I'm not sure if it will work. It might and I have considered it; just not sure if the pins will match up. This is from the TM 11-5830-263-10 operators manual: During vehicle operation tank crewmen are only authorized to disconnect the drop cord [attached to the left ear cup of the Combat Vehicle Crewman (CVC) Headset] from the Bailout Cable Assembly (Spaghetti Cord). This cable is connected directly to the VIS FFCS or Driver Alarm Cable. No other VIS cables may be removed/bypassed/replaced by the crewman. During PMCS only the Bailout Cable Assembly may be disconnected from the FFCS or Alarm Cable for cleaning and application of silicone gel to the connector O-ring. Upon completion of PMCS the Bailout Cable Assembly(s) should immediately be re-connected. Refer to the VIS Operator’s Manual for instructions. All other maintenance should be referred to the Unit Maintainer page 43 and Bailout connector provides quick-disconnect for crew member. Standard audio cable connector, P11, interfaces headset with an FFCS, MOS or an Alarm Cable. (Bailout Cable Assembly is not a component of CVC.) page 44 It may be worth a try, thanks Rod |
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Called Delaire USA today regarding the TRAC adapter cable. The customer service rep was familiar with it; but would not give information regarding purchase. But, instead took my number and email and stated a "engineer" would be in contact. I suppose the black helicopters will be circling soon. LOL
On the upside; I believe I have finally found what I'm looking for. It's a surplus cable and only one available. Waiting on a response from the seller. It has taken me nearly 4 weeks of research and scouring the internet and Ebay to locate just one cable for sale. Updates soon! Rod |
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Quoted: EDIT sorry I missed your inquiry in parenthesis; It's the "native" connector to both head sets. The AP-107 is the plug dangling off the CVC "tanker" headset, and the plug dangling off the the PTT on the Triport TTH headset(see the last pic in my post above) It connects to the AJ-107(female) jack; which is mated to a M55116 via cable in between. This is what allows the US soldier to disconnect from their vehicle and connect to PRC-148/152 using the headsets they are currently wearing. They disconnect from the bail-out cable and connect to the TRAC cable and then connect to the PRC, allowing full function of their head sets with the 2-way "soldier" radio. In the past if a soldier dismounted a vehicle, they would have to remove their helmet and replace their head set for one suitable for the operation on foot. I'm looking for the TRAC cable to see if it will function as it does with a MIL PRC 148/152 radio. Regards Rod View Quote see if THESE GUYS can make you an AP-107 female to 6 pin military adapter.. (at the bottom they say that they can tailor connections) HACKING THE BOSE TRIPORT might also help. you're looking to move from an AJ-107 to an AP-136 (military 6pin) |
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Quoted: see if THESE GUYS can make you an AP-107 female to 6 pin military adapter.. (at the bottom they say that they can tailor connections) HACKING THE BOSE TRIPORT might also help. you're looking to move from an AJ-107 to an AP-136 (military 6pin) View Quote Thanks for the links; Atlantic Signal was on my short list for the TRAC adapter cable; and I converted MM's web pages to PDF a few weeks ago and have them in my files. Again, all this let's me know that I have been on the right track all along. I found this thread while researching comm's and radio's a few days ago. All I can say is....... you guys rock! Everything seems to be coming together nicely. FWIW, here is how I arrived to this point. I have plans to build a Experimental Light Sport Aircraft(ELSA). While pricing radio's and headsets I was in sticker shock; so, I began to explore surplus military comms. I put this together a few weeks ago, VIC3 Bose CVC "Tanker" helmet with nomex liner and the Bose ANR integrated headset. I plan to use it for in flight communications and a crash helmet while flying the Ozark back country. Attached File Attached File Surprisingly enough, there are a number of solutions on the aviation side; but very few on the tactical side. While researching the CVC, I discovered that the Bose Triport headset (new surplus) are pennies on the dollar compared to Peltor ComTacs and the Sordin variants. I decided to acquire a new Triport but was at a loss on how to connect to a good 2-way radio. Enter the TRI AN/PRC 152. I read a few reviews and stumbled on this thread. I now have a new surplus Triport headset and a surplus TRAC adapter cable riding a USPS truck. Attached File Attached File I should have most everything next week; just need to purchase the radio. Once I have all the components assembled, I'll post pics and a review. In fact, I have a mil surplus Sordin headset on the way as well; I guess that means a side by side review of all 3 with the TRI PRC 152. Thanks again for all your help. I'm sure I'll need it again shortly EDIT: Like most things, I know there may be a few hitches with all this. Any experience, insight or suggestions are always welcome. Thanks again! Best Regards Rod |
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I saw THIS adapter several times when researching your headset, do you have this adapter? It seems that it asnwers all your questions (To this lay person)
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Quoted: I saw THIS adapter several times when researching your headset, do you have this adapter? It seems that it asnwers all your questions (To this lay person) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/181815/s-l1600_jpg-1523465.JPG View Quote It's on a USPS truck right now; I purchased it on eBay yesterday. It's the TRAC adapter I've been looking for. I posted the same pic just above^^ I've been on this awhile and the trouble is, this is the first(and only) cable I've seen on the market, and it's surplus. They seem to be rare as hens teeth. I'm going to give Atlantic Signal a call next week and see what they can do by way of a TRAC adapter, as well as some cables for 2 other projects. Regards Rod |
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that adapter should do the trick. shout out some photos of each end when it comes in.
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TRI won't do AM, so how are you going to talk on most of the aviation band?
Might as well jump one more adapter, and get something useful, like an ICOM. Maybe a Y so you can talk to your ground people on GMRS, and interact with VFR on AM. |
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Quoted: TRI won't do AM, so how are you going to talk on most of the aviation band? Might as well jump one more adapter, and get something useful, like an ICOM. Maybe a Y so you can talk to your ground people on GMRS, and interact with VFR on AM. View Quote He's right, it does only receive in the air band. |
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I don’t plan to use the TRI 152 for aviation; just the CVC headset. There are multiple resources for converting military headset comms to civilian aviation use. The CVC tanker helmet and headset will be gtg for civilian aviation; already have the sources.
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sorry this was a double post; but to clarify; the CVC helmet and headset are “no problem” to adapt to civilian aviation radios. The trick is adapting to to civilian comms use. There are no, and I mean “no”adapters commercially “off the shelf “ available for the Bose VIC 3 mil spec headsets. Surplus is the only option; unless you build your own, or have custom cables made. I’ll be contacting Atlantic Signal next week; to determine the cost effectiveness of adapter cables for commercial radio use. More updates next week????
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Ok, you want to go from the tactical triports to an unnamed civil radio? Most likely that's a two plug setup.
Two ways to go about it: One - buy a VIC-3 box, and then hook your radio into it Two - buy a bailout cable, and then buy a UG-229 to PJ plug adapter. Not sure about impedance mismatch, or need for 24v, but they would physically mate. https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Headset-Bailout-Cable-Adapter-VIC-3-to-VIC-1-Intercom-System-HMMWV-/203003303780?hash=item2f43f09764%3Ag%3ArsgAAOSwmAZezdM9&nma=true&si=26oCH0rdC5HuFY%252B88fUXuFqm3BI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 EDIT: I went back and reread. I don't know what you're trying to do. But you say it's not related to the replica 152's this thread is about. Good luck, looks like you got it figured out! |
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Quoted: I've been on this awhile and the trouble is, this is the first(and only) cable I've seen on the market, and it's surplus. They seem to be rare as hens teeth. View Quote $22 plus shipping, this is the cable, right? |
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Yes, that is the TRAC cable. Thanks, I’ll have grab a couple of them. It’s funny, I’ve been to that site several times and had no luck finding the cable. A second pair of eyes can sometimes make all the difference. My TRI 152 should arrive next week, as well as the first cable. I’ll give a full report once I get it all put together
Thanks again Rod |
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So, I've been reading this thread, plus other threads, videos, and reviews on these radios. I like what I've seen so far, they seem pretty robust and durable. Is there a consensus on which is better, between the TRI and the TCA?
Also, I've got a set of Sordin single comms, with a 6-pin Lemo connector already set up on my NV helmet. After a bunch of reading, it seems like this might be my setup: Sordins > TP120 adaptor > Nexus U94 > PRC 152. Is there a flaw in my plan? I'm new to radios and comms, so advice is appreciated! |
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Quoted: So, I've been reading this thread, plus other threads, videos, and reviews on these radios. I like what I've seen so far, they seem pretty robust and durable. Is there a consensus on which is better, between the TRI and the TCA? Also, I've got a set of Sordin single comms, with a 6-pin Lemo connector already set up on my NV helmet. After a bunch of reading, it seems like this might be my setup: Sordins > TP120 adaptor > Nexus U94 > PRC 152. Is there a flaw in my plan? I'm new to radios and comms, so advice is appreciated! View Quote only thing you need to pay attention to is, does the model you are buying have the internal NATO/commercial switch in it, or does it have the amplifier mod done to it. Super common issue with these is that a NATO (military) headset, and a commercial (practically everything else) has two different types of microphones, and they aren't interchangeable. The newest TRI (and, TCA, too I think) have a firmware impedance switch setting that also applies bias current for the commercial type setup. The older ones do not. Otherwise, seems like a solid plan, I'm sure others will chime in. |
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Quoted: Hi gloworm only thing you need to pay attention to is, does the model you are buying have the internal NATO/commercial switch in it, or does it have the amplifier mod done to it. Super common issue with these is that a NATO (military) headset, and a commercial (practically everything else) has two different types of microphones, and they aren't interchangeable. The newest TRI (and, TCA, too I think) have a firmware impedance switch setting that also applies bias current for the commercial type setup. The older ones do not. Otherwise, seems like a solid plan, I'm sure others will chime in. View Quote Thanks! I'll keep researching in the meanwhile... |
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Quoted:The newest TRI (and, TCA, too I think) have a firmware impedance switch setting that also applies bias current for the commercial type setup. The older ones do not. View Quote |
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That's the 148.
Get on some of the airsoft boards, and read about the issues regarding the 1st gen 152's. Also, JCI Comms might be able to shed more light on it. That's all I got; I know for a fact that impedance issues have been a consistent issue, because I've fixed them several times over the eyars. |
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Quoted: Wrong. I have the real Harris batteries and they charge properly with the TRI battery charger. (Attaches to the top of the battery) (I don’t think they will charge with the TCA charger, though..) I don’t know though, I only have Harris and TRI batteries with a TRI charger.. View Quote Do the Harris batteries work in the radios without modification? |
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Quoted: Do the Harris batteries work in the radios without modification? View Quote yes, straight from American Milspec they came to me with nearly a full charge also. I did leave a harris battery in one of my TRIs back in early June. tried it last night and it still started up (someone said that the TRI radios have parasitic drain on the batteries.. |
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Quoted: yes, straight from American Milspec they came to me with nearly a full charge also. I did leave a harris battery in one of my TRIs back in early June. tried it last night and it still started up (someone said that the TRI radios have parasitic drain on the batteries.. View Quote Awesome, thanks. Yeah, they do seem to drain. I left a charged TRI factory battery in mine for a few weeks, went to a training event. It didn't power on. |
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Well... I pulled the trigger Wednesday on the 10W TRI PRC152, with the "real" Harris battery, and it shipped today. I also got the 12" 6-pin Lemo to TP120 cable coming, and snagged a U94 PTT of the EE.
Now, I need to find a source for more batteries. Is American Milspec still the best bet? And does anyone know how long it will run in 18650 battery boxes? |
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I'd also suggest finding a decent VHF Hi / UHF antenna for it, as well. 10 actual watts at the port is a lot to risk to possibly a dummy load.
... No, I don't have a really good way to test to see if the antenna is counterfeit. Even the bad ones will pick up a little better than the naked port. Some aren't counterfeit, but dummy, as in these things have a nexus in the airsoft / LARP community, that started out with inactive replicas. The antennas that go with those look almost exactly like the real deal, and they wind up in places they shouldn't. If you go mil spec, pay close attention to the 'spec' part. A lot of antennas are good for 30-88, which isn't healthy for your radio. You want the 30-512 (also, more expensive generally) military ones, or ones marked "2m/440" or "144/440" or generally "dual band" from the amateur world. From the land mobile radio / commercial / public safety world, look for harris or motorola compatible, dual band antennas. Someone else will correct me, but I think it's a TNC female. You also don't want the really cool spider-web-on-a-pine-tree looking sat antennas; they are very useless for most things a person would do with a tactical portable radio. |
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Thank you for the advice! I've been looking at a few, no decisions made yet. Not certain with any specific one yet...
Also, I am studying up for my license. I guess I should have mentioned that before, so I don't appear to be some freeloading rando jumping in for information instead of a dude who really wants to learn more, get licensed, and enjoy the fun legally! I truly appreciate this thread, and what I've learned thus far. Though I'm an FNG to this stuff, I will try to contribute where I can. |
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Quoted: Also, I am studying up for my license. I guess I should have mentioned that before, so I don't appear to be some freeloading rando jumping in for information instead of a dude who really wants to learn more, get licensed, and enjoy the fun legally! View Quote If you're gonna do amateur, do this: resolve to do Tech and General at the same time. There are a lot of techs that die on the vine right there. Go ahead, and while it's all interesting, study a few more parts and get both of those knocked out right now. General isn't much more complex, especially if all you're doing is memorizing the answer key. But it brings a lot more freedom to explore. Anyway, there are a lot of people that use these legally outside of the ham realm, so this thread is more for stationkeeping on this unique radio platform. If you get stuck though, reach out in this forum and you'll get all the help you need. |
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii9BcM0kpWsFound something interesting... looks like a possibility of a triband from FCA... View Quote Looks like 2 meters and FM broadcast band |
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Quoted: Looks like 2 meters and FM broadcast band View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii9BcM0kpWsFound something interesting... looks like a possibility of a triband from FCA... Looks like 2 meters and FM broadcast band |
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Quoted: The 10m in the description below the video was what caught my eye... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii9BcM0kpWsFound something interesting... looks like a possibility of a triband from FCA... Looks like 2 meters and FM broadcast band No description on embedded videos |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No description on embedded videos https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/12179/0BF782A7-62A4-4BDC-BEEF-1355DEAB28F4-1561234.png There we go. Thanks, Gunny! |
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Quoted: Thank you for the advice! I've been looking at a few, no decisions made yet. Not certain with any specific one yet... Also, I am studying up for my license. I guess I should have mentioned that before, so I don't appear to be some freeloading rando jumping in for information instead of a dude who really wants to learn more, get licensed, and enjoy the fun legally! I truly appreciate this thread, and what I've learned thus far. Though I'm an FNG to this stuff, I will try to contribute where I can. View Quote I bought from American-Milspec. 2/4 were duds. I'm gonna play with them a bit more to confirm, but they didn't show a charge/red light when I stuck them in my Harris charger. |
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Quoted: I bought from American-Milspec. 2/4 were duds. I'm gonna play with them a bit more to confirm, but they didn't show a charge/red light when I stuck them in my Harris charger. View Quote I had the same issue with my batch. I emailed American Mil-Spec ( [email protected] ) and Scott Sidener sent me two more good batteries right away. |
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Quoted: I had the same issue with my batch. I emailed American Mil-Spec ( [email protected] ) and Scott Sidener sent me two more good batteries right away. View Quote Looks like mine started to show red charge status after I left them in the charger for a while, like 30-60 min. I guess they might not be duds, but if they were completely drained they behave wonky. I'll need to do some more testing to see what their life is like. |
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Is there any effort to give these digital mode(s) (say, dmr) and encryption? That would be the bees knees.
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