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10/21/2024 5:05:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:



This has been tougher to find than I thought. Finding something like that with no dinette has been tough, but the hunt comtinues!
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The Alliance Delta ML206 looks very promising or maybe the Grand Design Imagine 17MKE.

https://www.alliancerv.com/travel-trailer-delta/ML206
https://www.granddesignrv.com/travel-trailers/imagine-xls/17mke  
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10/22/2024 3:05:11 PM EDT
[#2]
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Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
The Alliance Delta ML206 looks very promising or maybe the Grand Design Imagine 17MKE.

https://www.alliancerv.com/travel-trailer-delta/ML206
https://www.granddesignrv.com/travel-trailers/imagine-xls/17mke  
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Between those two I’d go with the Alliance for two reasons: that extra two feet of length can make livability much better and your kitchen is slightly further away from the toilet lol.
10/25/2024 7:34:07 PM EDT
[#3]
I'm looking for a travel trailer/ toy hauler and not finding the right combination of amenities that I want. Are there any of the manufacturers that do custom setups/layouts? I'd like a cross of the Forest River Grey Wolf and R-Pod Rp-197, with no slides.
10/26/2024 7:21:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By kbud:
I'm looking for a travel trailer/ toy hauler and not finding the right combination of amenities that I want. Are there any of the manufacturers that do custom setups/layouts? I'd like a cross of the Forest River Grey Wolf and R-Pod Rp-197, with no slides.
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You could look into ATC, I think they do some customization. As a rule most trailer manufacturers don’t do customization.
12/29/2024 5:23:51 PM EDT
[#5]
Just started looking at RVs again.

Then I start looking at what the personal property taxes would cost me and that’s the end of that.  



Originally Posted By Manwithn0nam3:
It's so bad we had to start jacking off the dog to feed the cat.
12/29/2024 6:35:52 PM EDT
[#6]
Any recommendation for a short "body" 5th wheel that can sleep six? Something in sub-25' range, as all of our camping is boondocking and I like to have the option to get into some tighter spots. Rear kitchen would be best.
"What is socialism? The most difficult and tortuous way to progress from capitalism to capitalism." -Stated at an intel conference, East Berlin, Oct. 1988

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12/30/2024 7:55:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Abenteuer:
Just started looking at RVs again.

Then I start looking at what the personal property taxes would cost me and that’s the end of that.  



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Any surrounding counties with lower rates that you could garage in?
12/30/2024 8:02:45 AM EDT
[#8]
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Originally Posted By lew:
Any recommendation for a short "body" 5th wheel that can sleep six? Something in sub-25' range, as all of our camping is boondocking and I like to have the option to get into some tighter spots. Rear kitchen would be best.
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Not quite 25’, but look into the smallest Alliance Avenues, the Reflection 100 series 22RK, possibly the Willcat 23RK, and the Arcadia 21SRK (I believe that’s the right model designator).
12/30/2024 2:02:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:



Any surrounding counties with lower rates that you could garage in?
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I’m sure but then I’d have to purchase land there.

Right now I’m looking at $5k-$8k a year just for taxes.
Originally Posted By Manwithn0nam3:
It's so bad we had to start jacking off the dog to feed the cat.
12/30/2024 2:07:19 PM EDT
[#10]
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:


Not quite 25’, but look into the smallest Alliance Avenues, the Reflection 100 series 22RK, possibly the Willcat 23RK, and the Arcadia 21SRK (I believe that’s the right model designator).
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:
Originally Posted By lew:
Any recommendation for a short "body" 5th wheel that can sleep six? Something in sub-25' range, as all of our camping is boondocking and I like to have the option to get into some tighter spots. Rear kitchen would be best.


Not quite 25’, but look into the smallest Alliance Avenues, the Reflection 100 series 22RK, possibly the Willcat 23RK, and the Arcadia 21SRK (I believe that’s the right model designator).


Thanks for the lead.
"What is socialism? The most difficult and tortuous way to progress from capitalism to capitalism." -Stated at an intel conference, East Berlin, Oct. 1988

"Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods." -H.L. Mencken
12/30/2024 3:15:11 PM EDT
[#11]
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Originally Posted By Abenteuer:


I’m sure but then I’d have to purchase land there.

Right now I’m looking at $5k-$8k a year just for taxes.
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I could be wrong, but if you can find a storage facility in one of the counties with better or no property tax assessment then you avoid that because it isn’t “garaged” in your county. I know many of my customers talk about that. Obviously check with the county first.
12/30/2024 3:59:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:



I could be wrong, but if you can find a storage facility in one of the counties with better or no property tax assessment then you avoid that because it isn’t “garaged” in your county. I know many of my customers talk about that. Obviously check with the county first.
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I’ll look into that. Thanks
Originally Posted By Manwithn0nam3:
It's so bad we had to start jacking off the dog to feed the cat.
12/31/2024 4:39:11 PM EDT
[#13]
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Originally Posted By Abenteuer:


I’ll look into that. Thanks
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It’s almost like I encourage people to spend money for a living
12/31/2024 4:51:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:



It’s almost like I encourage people to spend money for a living
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Yep
Originally Posted By Manwithn0nam3:
It's so bad we had to start jacking off the dog to feed the cat.
2/28/2025 10:37:42 AM EDT
[#15]
Where does Jayco rank in build quality? I'm looking at a 2022 destination type.
Everyone wants to be a cop, until its time to do real cop shit.
3/1/2025 8:53:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Seneca-Cayuga:
Where does Jayco rank in build quality? I'm looking at a 2022 destination type.
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They have stuff from the cheapest of the cheap up to mid-high levels, which model line is it specifically?
3/2/2025 1:24:58 AM EDT
[#17]
Why don’t more brands have outside kitchens??

I’ve been thinking about upgrading but not a lot of choices with outside kitchens

And that’s a must have for us
3/2/2025 1:39:54 AM EDT
[#18]
When is the best time of year to try to sell used? Going to consign at a dealer most likely, are there any specific chains to stay away from?
3/2/2025 2:57:08 AM EDT
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Amazing that this thread has been going on for 4 years and OP is still answering questions.   Kudos to OP!
Feb 2025 It’s 48 to 0 and we’re only 2 minutes into the first quarter
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There were FBI agents posting in my threads. I've seen the discovery showing this.
3/2/2025 8:11:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FreeAmerican:
Why don’t more brands have outside kitchens??

I’ve been thinking about upgrading but not a lot of choices with outside kitchens

And that’s a must have for us
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Customer demand or cost would be my guess. Are we talking Motorhomes or towable? If you give me some parameters I’ll see what I can come up with.
3/2/2025 8:15:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By doyouquaxu:
When is the best time of year to try to sell used? Going to consign at a dealer most likely, are there any specific chains to stay away from?
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Towables: list it right now, this is when the shoppers are our
Motorhomes: doesn’t make as much of a difference

The only chain I would call out to avoid is camping world, from my understanding it is their policy to tell you you’ll get max dollars and then change those numbers when they have a deal working. I’d start with smaller stores first
3/2/2025 4:30:30 PM EDT
[#22]
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:



Customer demand or cost would be my guess. Are we talking Motorhomes or towable? If you give me some parameters I’ll see what I can come up with.
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:
Originally Posted By FreeAmerican:
Why don’t more brands have outside kitchens??

I’ve been thinking about upgrading but not a lot of choices with outside kitchens

And that’s a must have for us



Customer demand or cost would be my guess. Are we talking Motorhomes or towable? If you give me some parameters I’ll see what I can come up with.



Right now we have a 35 ft Rockwood towable with an outside kitchen.

I want to go a little shorter, closer to 30, more of a couples towable with an outside kitchen.

I didn't think I was going to like it at first, but being able to fry stuff that would smell up the inside, wash dishes outside and a small second fridge is incredibly handy.
3/2/2025 8:22:55 PM EDT
[#23]
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:



Towables: list it right now, this is when the shoppers are our
Motorhomes: doesn’t make as much of a difference

The only chain I would call out to avoid is camping world, from my understanding it is their policy to tell you you’ll get max dollars and then change those numbers when they have a deal working. I’d start with smaller stores first
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Thanks, gonna reach out to some area dealers for consignment this week. We still have some snow left on the ground from winter, but weather is warming up.
3/3/2025 10:27:49 AM EDT
[#24]
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Originally Posted By FreeAmerican:



Right now we have a 35 ft Rockwood towable with an outside kitchen.

I want to go a little shorter, closer to 30, more of a couples towable with an outside kitchen.

I didn't think I was going to like it at first, but being able to fry stuff that would smell up the inside, wash dishes outside and a small second fridge is incredibly handy.
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If you’re happy with Rockwood, check out the 8265KBS, there’s also Grand Design Imagine 2670MK, Jay Feather 25RB, Coachmen Spirit 2557RB, and Freedom Express 259FKDS
3/3/2025 2:10:20 PM EDT
[#25]
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:



If you’re happy with Rockwood, check out the 8265KBS, there’s also Grand Design Imagine 2670MK, Jay Feather 25RB, Coachmen Spirit 2557RB, and Freedom Express 259FKDS
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:
Originally Posted By FreeAmerican:



Right now we have a 35 ft Rockwood towable with an outside kitchen.

I want to go a little shorter, closer to 30, more of a couples towable with an outside kitchen.

I didn't think I was going to like it at first, but being able to fry stuff that would smell up the inside, wash dishes outside and a small second fridge is incredibly handy.



If you’re happy with Rockwood, check out the 8265KBS, there’s also Grand Design Imagine 2670MK, Jay Feather 25RB, Coachmen Spirit 2557RB, and Freedom Express 259FKDS


Thank you!
3/3/2025 2:29:16 PM EDT
[#26]
What about drivable RVs? Two people in their 70’s for travel from NH to anywhere? I kind of lean toward something we can drive, park and not have the hassle of a tow behind.
3/3/2025 5:56:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hillcountry:
What about drivable RVs? Two people in their 70’s for travel from NH to anywhere? I kind of lean toward something we can drive, park and not have the hassle of a tow behind.
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Motorhomes are my bread and butter, I’m one of the motorhome specialists at my store so hopefully I can help you out. The convenience you mentioned is the biggest reason people go with them. Feel free to ask away, there’s a huge array of options and I’m happy to help navigate.
3/10/2025 10:43:59 PM EDT
[#28]
I have a permanant campsite lot with a carport.
Currently have  Freedom Express 320BHDS 2014.

Looking at a Destination camper, as we dont go anywhere anymoe.
Puma 402LFT 2025.

I would like to get ine with residential toilet, but I understand you have to pay cash, as a bank won't finance. This isn't a deal breaker, as I can pay cash. Have to special order and be 6 to 8 weeks. I just really like the id3a of not having to dump and flush tanks

My current camper has some issues, but i am hoping I can still trade it in.

Any expwriwnce with this model?

Seems like every camper store is overflowing with inventory, how much should i ask for a discount.
3/12/2025 4:12:33 PM EDT
[#29]
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Originally Posted By entropy:
I have a permanant campsite lot with a carport.
Currently have  Freedom Express 320BHDS 2014.

Looking at a Destination camper, as we dont go anywhere anymoe.
Puma 402LFT 2025.

I would like to get ine with residential toilet, but I understand you have to pay cash, as a bank won't finance. This isn't a deal breaker, as I can pay cash. Have to special order and be 6 to 8 weeks. I just really like the id3a of not having to dump and flush tanks

My current camper has some issues, but i am hoping I can still trade it in.

Any expwriwnce with this model?

Seems like every camper store is overflowing with inventory, how much should i ask for a discount.
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I don’t know that model in particular but I know Pumas. I sold them for about five years and never had any real issues with them.

If you have the patience, you can sell your current camper for a fair bit more if you want to do it yourself. I wouldn’t expect the dealer to give a ton for it, even though it’s a good brand.

I’d shoot for 28-30% off MSRP, that would get into the fair range. Some dealers give big discounts on orders to move units and some want a premium.
4/28/2026 7:18:15 PM EDT
[#30]
Bump since camping season is upon us!
5/16/2026 4:21:51 PM EDT
[#31]
OP, thanks for an informative thread.

What is your opinion of the Winnebago Navion/View?
5/17/2026 7:21:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AZ_M1:
OP, thanks for an informative thread.

What is your opinion of the Winnebago Navion/View?
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They’ve always been a pretty good rig in my experience, made well enough with good factory support and a big customer base.

For 27 they’ve switched to lithium with a generator backup and in my opinion that makes for a killer combo that not many can compete with. Are they a little more expensive? Yes. Is it worth it? I’d argue yes.
5/17/2026 9:43:36 PM EDT
[#33]
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:



They’ve always been a pretty good rig in my experience, made well enough with good factory support and a big customer base.

For 27 they’ve switched to lithium with a generator backup and in my opinion that makes for a killer combo that not many can compete with. Are they a little more expensive? Yes. Is it worth it? I’d argue yes.
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Thank you!!!!!!!
5/19/2026 11:23:35 AM EDT
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Kudos to you for being in the RV sales industry this long.

The few times I had to go back to Camping World since I bought my camper in 2020, I don't believe the sales or other/management staff has been the same any time I've been there.

I just known that my next purchase will not be from CW.
At the rate I'm going, I'll still be tugging my Grey Wolf 26 DBH for a while longer anyway.
In the process of dreaming of one day getting a 5'er, I've heard horror stories about buying experiences at most other big national dealers.
Maybe I'm better off with what I have!
5/19/2026 4:26:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
Kudos to you for being in the RV sales industry this long.

The few times I had to go back to Camping World since I bought my camper in 2020, I don't believe the sales or other/management staff has been the same any time I've been there.

I just known that my next purchase will not be from CW.
At the rate I'm going, I'll still be tugging my Grey Wolf 26 DBH for a while longer anyway.
In the process of dreaming of one day getting a 5'er, I've heard horror stories about buying experiences at most other big national dealers.
Maybe I'm better off with what I have!
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A lot of guys don’t understand how cyclical the business is and burn out fairly quickly as soon as the first dip hits. I married into an rv industry family so I knew what life would look like. If you approach the career as just selling big toys that no one actually needs, it helps.

I wish I could say I’m surprised by your experiences, but I’ve heard from enough of their customers that it seems to be the norm and not the exception.

Feel free to send any questions my way!
6/20/2026 1:09:37 PM EDT
[#36]
What is something shorter, dual axle, and has a bigger shower. I might have to travel for work for a little while and am not sure where to even begin. I have a Ram 2500 Cummins so it should be able to tow anything in a length I'd want to deal with. I could either bumper tow or set up for gooseneck style but have a canopy on it currently. I'd prefer a smaller trailer if it comes with larger water tanks (fresh, grey, black) capacity to allow more time between having to dump it. Reality is I'd be working longer days and want to just cook dinner (two burner stoves) and watch some TV on the couch after work. It'd be really cool if it was set up with hookups for one of those combo single unit washer/dryers my wife and I got to use while we were in Australia.

I have zero RV experience but don't want to start with something 40' long. I have two kids that wouldn't be coming along while I have to travel for work but I'd like them to be able to use it when I'm "home".

Do I want a unicorn or do they make something like that?
6/21/2026 11:32:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FE427TP:
What is something shorter, dual axle, and has a bigger shower. I might have to travel for work for a little while and am not sure where to even begin. I have a Ram 2500 Cummins so it should be able to tow anything in a length I'd want to deal with. I could either bumper tow or set up for gooseneck style but have a canopy on it currently. I'd prefer a smaller trailer if it comes with larger water tanks (fresh, grey, black) capacity to allow more time between having to dump it. Reality is I'd be working longer days and want to just cook dinner (two burner stoves) and watch some TV on the couch after work. It'd be really cool if it was set up with hookups for one of those combo single unit washer/dryers my wife and I got to use while we were in Australia.

I have zero RV experience but don't want to start with something 40' long. I have two kids that wouldn't be coming along while I have to travel for work but I'd like them to be able to use it when I'm "home".

Do I want a unicorn or do they make something like that?
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I’m sure it’s out there, couple things to help me narrow down: how big of a shower would you like and what kind of budget are we thinking? With a couple parameters I could come up with some stuff for sure.
6/25/2026 12:59:09 AM EDT
[#38]
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Originally Posted By GTOMike87:


I'm sure it's out there, couple things to help me narrow down: how big of a shower would you like and what kind of budget are we thinking? With a couple parameters I could come up with some stuff for sure.
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I just want something big enough I can actually use, not a fan of the 30x30 or smaller stuff. I'm thinking it'll be something used as my budget would be in the 20-25k range. Travelling looking for work because there isn't any in my town (not the state I have in my profile)
6/25/2026 9:28:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FE427TP:
I just want something big enough I can actually use, not a fan of the 30x30 or smaller stuff. I'm thinking it'll be something used as my budget would be in the 20-25k range. Travelling looking for work because there isn't any in my town (not the state I have in my profile)
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I’d look for a pre owned 25-30’ rear bath. Something like a 2600RB Imagine. Could also do something in that size with a rear kitchen. Anything without bunks really. As those tend to have smaller showers

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