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Attached File This is a 3MP hikvision obviously IR is on. I'd like to be able to recognize a plate at this range. Plenty of pixels just a bad ir reflection. Anything I can adjust settings wise to improve this? |
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Originally Posted By LTCetme:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27916/Screenshot-2017-03-10-19-20-10-163198.JPG This is a 3MP hikvision obviously IR is on. I'd like to be able to recognize a plate at this range. Plenty of pixels just a bad ir reflection. Anything I can adjust settings wise to improve this? Plate where? On the street? No way... too far away, not enough pixels-per-foot, and bad angle. You also have to increase shutter-speed to catch plates at night, and compensate for the IR washout you're seeing. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Plate where? On the street? No way... too far away, not enough pixels-per-foot, and bad angle. You also have to increase shutter-speed to catch plates at night, and compensate for the IR washout you're seeing. I was referring to the truck plate in the driveway that's washed out. I have plenty of pixels per foot at that range. |
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Originally Posted By LTCetme:
I was referring to the truck plate in the driveway that's washed out. I have plenty of pixels per foot at that range. You're going to have problems with that... because you need to dial down the IR, or increase the shutter speed. The latter will darken your picture, as will the former. This is why license plate cameras tend to be dedicated cameras... because at night, you almost CAN'T get the plate AND the scene. You can get away with it during the day, when lighting conditions are better... but night is the true challenge. A single camera isn't usually up to the task, particularly anything in the neighborhood of "affordable" |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
You're going to have problems with that... because you need to dial down the IR, or increase the shutter speed. The latter will darken your picture, as will the former. This is why license plate cameras tend to be dedicated cameras... because at night, you almost CAN'T get the plate AND the scene. You can get away with it during the day, when lighting conditions are better... but night is the true challenge. A single camera isn't usually up to the task, particularly anything in the neighborhood of "affordable" |
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I need a recommendation
I don't want to build a system, I could but I just don't want to. I want plug and play I've looked Ezviz, Lorex and Swann can you or anybody recommend something like these? I would prefer poe because I'm going to run the cat cable for internet anyway and I might as well do it at the same time |
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Originally Posted By superdav:
I need a recommendation I don't want to build a system, I could but I just don't want to. I want plug and play I've looked Ezviz, Lorex and Swann can you or anybody recommend something like these? I would prefer poe because I'm going to run the cat cable for internet anyway and I might as well do it at the same time |
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Originally Posted By superdav:
I need a recommendation I don't want to build a system, I could but I just don't want to. I want plug and play I've looked Ezviz, Lorex and Swann can you or anybody recommend something like these? I would prefer poe because I'm going to run the cat cable for internet anyway and I might as well do it at the same time Any of them would probably work for you. |
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ok, I really need to pull the trigger on a system
I'm thinking a few of these: http://www.nellyssecurity.com/cameras/hi-def-cameras/ip-cameras/4-mp/h-series-nsc-204-bt-outdoor-hd-4mp-ip-bullet-security-camera-4mm.html and a few of these: http://www.nellyssecurity.com/cameras/hi-def-cameras/ip-cameras/4-mp/nsc-2x4-dm-4mp-wdr-exir-turret-ip-security-camera-2-8mm.html and this NVR: http://www.nellyssecurity.com/recorders/nvrs/8-channel/nsn-608-8p-8-channel-poe-plug-n-play-hi-def-nvr-recorder.html pretty straightforward? |
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Originally Posted By LTCetme:
Ok Thanks for that. I was kind of thinking similar just wanted to understand if I was missing something. Hmm. Originally Posted By LTCetme:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
You're going to have problems with that... because you need to dial down the IR, or increase the shutter speed. The latter will darken your picture, as will the former. This is why license plate cameras tend to be dedicated cameras... because at night, you almost CAN'T get the plate AND the scene. You can get away with it during the day, when lighting conditions are better... but night is the true challenge. A single camera isn't usually up to the task, particularly anything in the neighborhood of "affordable" |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
The Swann/Lorex/etc IP systems are actually very good for the money. Get the 1080p-or-higher (1080p is 2.1 megapixel) systems, and make sure they use Cat5/6 cable (avoid the HD-CVI/etc system that use coax cable... those are only suitable for upgrading an existing, already-in-place analog installation). Any of them would probably work for you. |
| anyone any good at setting up patrol, pan, park and autoscan on the new hikvison mini PZT cameras? I am getting a even worse sinus headache from trying to learn this LOL' its a model NSC-4A220-PTZir 2MP IP Weatherproof IR Mini PTZ Dome Security Camera 4.7-94mm from Nellys |
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Originally Posted By coldair:
anyone any good at setting up patrol, pan, park and autoscan on the new hikvison mini PZT cameras? I am getting a even worse sinus headache from trying to learn this LOL' its a model NSC-4A220-PTZir 2MP IP Weatherproof IR Mini PTZ Dome Security Camera 4.7-94mm from Nellys  I keep watching various models of them but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I have a tower that would be a perfect place to put one on.
I'd see some PTZ cameras scanning patrol when I went into the security office where I used to work, but they were high dollar commercial market ones. It's got to put some serious wear and tear on them. |
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Originally Posted By coldair:
anyone any good at setting up patrol, pan, park and autoscan on the new hikvison mini PZT cameras? I am getting a even worse sinus headache from trying to learn this LOL' its a model NSC-4A220-PTZir 2MP IP Weatherproof IR Mini PTZ Dome Security Camera 4.7-94mm from Nellys |
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Originally Posted By coldair:
anyone any good at setting up patrol, pan, park and autoscan on the new hikvison mini PZT cameras? I am getting a even worse sinus headache from trying to learn this LOL' its a model NSC-4A220-PTZir 2MP IP Weatherproof IR Mini PTZ Dome Security Camera 4.7-94mm from Nellys Link to Nelly's If so, please let me know what you think of it. I have my eye on one of those for the house, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. |
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Figured I'd give a short review here....
The Swann 4900 system is pretty solid. It's a rebadged Hikvision 7208HUHI-F1/N (missing the alarm ports and using Swann branded v3.4.75 firmware). They're selling it with 4 or 8 Swann branded 5MP HDTVI cameras, and it is capable of recording all 8 at 12FPS each. Works out of the box with IVMS 4500. Seems to have some bugs on email notification, probably the same old SSL issue plaguing most old firmware. Otherwise a solid system with 8 x 5MP cameras and a 2TB DVR for those with existing BNC based system or those not wanting to go PoE. Costco carries it for $599 right now. I'm tempted to try loading the Hikvision firmware on it, as that should remove the limitation of running VCA on only two channels and would add support for running 2 IP cameras with the system (they would have to be wired to a separate switch, as this does not have any built in switch). For under $600, I'm impressed. Now to go buy ridiculously powerful IR illuminators! |
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Originally Posted By camarojsmith:
Anyone have a Hikvision DS-2CD2532F-IS? I ordered it from Nelly's in the spring of 2015 and just noticed some of the IR lights are out. I'll call Nelly's to see if it's a warranty issue but just curious. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Are you talking about one of these? Link to Nelly's If so, please let me know what you think of it. I have my eye on one of those for the house, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. |
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Originally Posted By coldair:
I got the 2 mp one and it blows away the 5mp dome and bullet cameras that are watching the gate and driveway in both clarity and picture sharpness in both day and night modes. the auto focus on zoom is great the other cameras are power focus and zoom but you have to constantly adjust them for each level of zoom. |
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Just diving into this thread, and will be reading from the beginning over the next few weeks.
As a starting point for 1080P wireless IP cameras who is currently the most well thought of for picture quality and wireless range. And who is the go-to for the no-glow IR versions of such cameras. |
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Originally Posted By USMC88-93:
Just diving into this thread, and will be reading from the beginning over the next few weeks. As a starting point for 1080P wireless IP cameras who is currently the most well thought of for picture quality and wireless range. And who is the go-to for the no-glow IR versions of such cameras. As for cameras with built-in covert LEDs, you're not going to find much of that in the consumer space. "Covert" IR illuminators are out there, but tend to be very expensive, and the spectral sensitivity of the most cameras that deep into the IR spectrum is not very good. The longer the wavelength of the IR, the more of it you need to allow your cameras to see anything... meaning bigger/more-expensive illuminators. You might find that a single panel illuminator costs as much as your entire camera system. That said, I *AM* a fan of separate illuminators... and if you don't want to give away the location of the cameras, you can simply turn off the camera's IR LEDs in the camera software. The illuminator will be obvious... but the camera's location doesn't have to be. |
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Originally Posted By USMC88-93:
Just diving into this thread, and will be reading from the beginning over the next few weeks. As a starting point for 1080P wireless IP cameras who is currently the most well thought of for picture quality and wireless range. And who is the go-to for the no-glow IR versions of such cameras. Also like TGM said covert LEDs are in the 950nm range. The cheaper and more common LEDs are 840nm. If you can find 950mn wireless cameras they are going to be few and far between and fairy expensive. All that said I'd suggest the foscam C1 and C2 series of cameras if you are positively committed to wireless. I've used them and gotten good value. They have 840nm LEDs but then again almost all wireless cameras do. I use C1 as a baby monitor. I would not use it as a primary security camera. |
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whats the deal with the no visable IR illuminators? most people don't see them anyways even when they are up to no good, case in point was this
 MB 20160923 222931 1 there is a IR panel sitting right above the camera and 3 more IR lights and two more Cameras with IR lights sitting up the driveway at the gate. only one cop and one guy I hunt with have ever spotting them and said something about it |
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Originally Posted By coldair:
whats the deal with the no visable IR illuminators? most people don't see them anyways even when they are up to no good, case in point was this  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3OuMFjoMI
there is a IR panel sitting right above the camera and 3 more IR lights and two more Cameras with IR lights sitting up the driveway at the gate. only one cop and one guy I hunt with have ever spotting them and said something about it 
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Don't go wireless, unless you have incredibly beefy wireless infrastructure (and I do NOT mean a single consumer-grade access point), and no interference potential. A wireless camera or two, in an otherwise hard-wired system? Fine... but an entire system wireless? That's asking for trouble for more than about 3-4 cameras. As for cameras with built-in covert LEDs, you're not going to find much of that in the consumer space. "Covert" IR illuminators are out there, but tend to be very expensive, and the spectral sensitivity of the most cameras that deep into the IR spectrum is not very good. The longer the wavelength of the IR, the more of it you need to allow your cameras to see anything... meaning bigger/more-expensive illuminators. You might find that a single panel illuminator costs as much as your entire camera system. That said, I *AM* a fan of separate illuminators... and if you don't want to give away the location of the cameras, you can simply turn off the camera's IR LEDs in the camera software. The illuminator will be obvious... but the camera's location doesn't have to be. |
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I believe that most IR capable cameras can see both illuminators they are just more sensitive to the lower frequency versions. Meaning you will need more power and more illuminators.
My foscam C1 will see them just not as bright. |
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Originally Posted By LTCetme:
I believe that most IR capable cameras can see both illuminators they are just more sensitive to the lower frequency versions. Meaning you will need more power and more illuminators. My foscam C1 will see them just not as bright. |
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Originally Posted By USMC88-93:
On a completely different side note. On cameras that have on board memory card slots how do you get the files off the card is it just seen as another drive on the network? I supposed you could pull the card and access the files directly, depending on the format. |
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My question - I have a tall 2 story house (both floors have 10' ceilings). I assume I'll run the cables up into the attic/crawlspace, since my tech stuff/router/access is all upstairs. Will I try to fish the cables inside the exterior walls? I am not sure how I would accomplish that with headers in the way. What is protocol here? That is really the only thing stopping me. I just can't wrap my head around cable runs. I've pulled wire for speakers, but thats been short runs through interior walls and floor.
Am I just missing something? Do I just mount them up high and staple the stupid cable to the exterior wall? 
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Originally Posted By sneadhearn:
My question - I have a tall 2 story house (both floors have 10' ceilings). I assume I'll run the cables up into the attic/crawlspace, since my tech stuff/router/access is all upstairs. Will I try to fish the cables inside the exterior walls? I am not sure how I would accomplish that with headers in the way. What is protocol here? That is really the only thing stopping me. I just can't wrap my head around cable runs. I've pulled wire for speakers, but thats been short runs through interior walls and floor. Am I just missing something? Do I just mount them up high and staple the stupid cable to the exterior wall? |
| You might consider running them behind baseboards, and going straight through the exterior wall at the level of the second-story floor. Mounting them on the top/eave of the second story gives overhead area coverage, but no possibility of catching faces or license plates. |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
You might consider running them behind baseboards, and going straight through the exterior wall at the level of the second-story floor. Mounting them on the top/eave of the second story gives overhead area coverage, but no possibility of catching faces or license plates. |
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Originally Posted By sgthoskins:
Anyone using hikvision dome outdoor cameras? Do you have any issues with spider webs? I have all bullet cameras and during the warmer months I have to dust them just about nightly for spider webs. |
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I've tried the sprays, it really doesn't seem to help after a day or so. I'm in the middle of the woods, we have a ton of spiders and they seem to like the IR light in those bullets. I am assuming there is a little bit of heat behind that shield that attracts them. I am hoping the domes have a little bit more space so the heat is dissipated a bit more on the surface.
I think I'll grab a dome and throw it on the deck and see what happens before I replace all of them. |
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Originally Posted By sgthoskins:
I've tried the sprays, it really doesn't seem to help after a day or so. I'm in the middle of the woods, we have a ton of spiders and they seem to like the IR light in those bullets. I am assuming there is a little bit of heat behind that shield that attracts them. I am hoping the domes have a little bit more space so the heat is dissipated a bit more on the surface. I think I'll grab a dome and throw it on the deck and see what happens before I replace all of them. |
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Originally Posted By sgthoskins:
Anyone using hikvision dome outdoor cameras? Do you have any issues with spider webs? I have all bullet cameras and during the warmer months I have to dust them just about nightly for spider webs. |
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