Posted: 1/3/2008 5:02:38 PM EDT
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Are you in a state that requires that you demonstrate proficiency by target shooting in your CCW class? I had to fire 50 rounds at a rather large paper target with having to hit the blue/black with 70%. Ten rounds at 2.5 yds, ten at 5 yds, ten at 7.5, ten at 10 yds, 5 at 12 yds, and 5 at 15 yds. This was back in 1997, shortly after South Carolina first passed the shall issue law. It was easy for me, but some in my class struggled to pass. RS |
I shot silouhette targets here in TN at close to the ranges you mentioned. I had a family friend give me a personal class, so I did a lethal weapon smiley face on the first target with my 9mm. Most engagements happen within 7 yards, so there is no point in backing up to the 25 yd line and shooting bullseye targets for a CCW class. If you can't hit a man's torso at 7 yards, then you need to go practice a bit more and open your eyes when you shoot. 
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Here in FL, you have to show proficiency, but at the gun shows you only have to go shoot 1 round without hitting anyone. My class with a private instructor, there were about 10 or 15 people and we did 200 rounds. Varying distances and speed. didnt have to haev a % to pass, just look like you were retaining info. |
Yep I shot my compact 45 with 185 gr xtp ammo, couldn't score my target the center was shot completely out, instructor looks at it, looks at me and just gives me the 100%. Couple of police officers took the class shooting 9's they were all over the target, go figure. Class was boring as hell. |
Here's the proficiency test from the gunshop where I took my class last year.
link I don't recall how the target was scored, nor what was passing or what I got, but everyone in our very small class passed. You had to basically be able to hit in the mid torso or head more often than not. GL |
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In Massachusetts, I was given a 6 shot police .357 revolver and 30 rounds of .38 special ammunition. Fire 12 shots, on target, one-handed, double-action, at 7 yards. Then, fire 18 shots, on target, two-handed, single-or-double-action at 15 yards. I was a resident of the City of Boston, and my test was administered at the training grounds for Boston PD. 240/300 is required for issuance of license. Georgia: No proficiency test required. |
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I purposely sought out the very best class I could find in my area. It truly was some of the best money and time I have ever spent. The 8 hour instruction was very brief on gun function and safety but extensive on the legal aspect of when you can draw and fire. I had been carrying guns for decades and still learned a heck of a lot. I almost laughed out loud at the state film as the TBI officer in the film used wrong terms and mishandled the guns doing silly things like finger on the tirggers etc. but the private films of lawyers, judges, and actual situation training was simply fantastic information. The shooting test was pretty much the same as the OPs. I could have passed it with a pocket full of rocks. Being in the last group and tired from a long day of classroom instruction, I asked if there was brownie points for center mass and since the answer was no, I just mag dumped as fast as I could to get the test over. Yes, it was that easy. Still we had three who failed and had to retest. One person had a gun that jammed all the time so pulled from the line. One lady simply couldn't hit the 25 meter target consistently. The other lady shooting a .38 snubbie was actually downright scary as hell. She was not only not hitting the target but putting rounds into the ceiling. All in all, it was a good Saturday and well worth the money. Tj |
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I just had to prove that I had been through a police academy and had qualified for three years prior to the passage of the law in order to get mine so I can't give first hand experience. Everyone I know, save one, who has taken the Ohio course has passed on the first try. It must be beyond simple. Ohio is now ratcheting up the standards on peace officers in an attempt to provide "professionalism". I don't have a problem with this since we really needed to weed out some Special Deputy commissions that were a disaster waiting to happen in our county. It's a different ball game than CCW so we should be expected to be able to shoot well. Some of the guys who got dropped were downright dangerous. Some of them were dear friends whose years finally caught up to them. But this got me to thinking.... What if the anti-CCW crowd managed to raise the bar so high on qualifying and re-qualifying as to make it impossible for the average Joe to keep his permit? You wouldn't have to face the prospect of having repealed a fairly popular law, you could just make it so cumbersome that folks couldn't comply. If anyone complained you could just say that the standards are a matter of public safety and put the monkey on the shooter's back since they can't perform at the necessary level. I'm watching out for this play to develop in legislatures. J. |
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I am in tn and did what TJ did for the most part, doubt we used the same folks for the class but I had a couple police officers teaching mine and it sure did help when asking questions and what not. We went to a local police range for the shooting part and everyone in our class passed, some needed a bit of extra help and since we had 2 teachers and 1 helper it did not hurt those of use who could already shoot. Everyone had a variety of firearms and some were dirty and unreliable and some were brand new and never fired. I fully understand why the class is required. However, from the standpoint mentioned above I worry about requiring a class or making a permit expensive to get. I somewhat expect requirments to get more strict and costs to increase way ahead of inflation. |
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I got my Oklahoma license about 12 years ago. At that time there was no grading of targets or any requirement that you hit the target at all. I was in one of the early courses approved by the State and I don't know whether things have changed since then. I'll admit I've got mixed feelings on this subject. While I am an advocate of the 2nd Amendment, I was horrified to watch some of feeble hands shaking old folks and mouth breathing half-wits that passed my concealed carry course. |
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We did 2, 5, and 7 yard shooting using either 100 or 150 rounds total (I forget). Most of it was 6 rounds rapid, followed by a mag change, followed by 6 more rounds rapid before the instructor went around and looked at everyone's targets. The target was a snandard e target (Belt to head human 19.5 wide by 39.5 high). It was suprising to see some people in the class actually miss such a large target at such close ranges. I hope they got further training. |
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The question raised in South Carolina years ago when the first permits issued were due to be newed, was whether to require one to requalify to renew the permit. Apparently most CCW people didn't want to, so the renewal only requires money, paperwork, and pictures. I thought we should since it might be the only practice some permit holders would get. On Jeepnsteins point, they couldn't really raise the standard above what LEO's are required to do. On the other hand, a lot of people might have problems getting to that level. RS |
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In my CCW class I was the last one on the line. Moving (charging) silouhette target. We were given five rounds to engage. I put two dead center in the chest, one in the groin and two in the head, in that order. The instructor said "wow, he didn't survive". Watching the folks go before me, I was amazed that people actually missed the target completely. Very scary indeed. We also practiced low light/night shooting. The next day I put a set of Mepro light sights on my Glock 21. Since then every pistol I have has been upgraded with night sights. I also added one x200 Surefire to my HD pistol. That night practice was an eye opener indeed. |
Six rounds in an 8 in circle (a disposable paper plate ) at 7yards here in Ohio. I don't think the state set the criteria in the law. The law is rather vague as to the shooting requirement so my instructors came up with an achievable goal that demonstrated some level of proficiency.
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| I shot a rifle CQB match at a military base. I shot in the second relay. About half way through the targets, i saw my first paster allready on the target. I think I found 2 more after that. I asked the RSO if I was the first one to shoot- he said no. Sure enough some Airman had missed more then 95% of his shots. The guy latter told me he was going to Iraq, and had only shot 30 rounds in basic, and never touched a gun before that. Someone told him to get some more practice. |
In Ohio, I shot 15 rounds. 5 rounds were to sight in your firearm. Then we shot 10 more, which had to be able to covered by a 8 inch paper plate. We were about 10 ft away. This class was an NRA class. We had one lady who was having a little trouble hitting the target, more firearm problem. then her. So they let her use a suppressed 22 one of the SO had. Everyone passed. I know people who had to shot 50 top 150 rounds in some classes PITA45  P.S. I have been shooting for over 30 years. IDPA as well as IPSC for most of these years. |
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In Minnesota I think we had to fire a total of 50 shots, starting out "very close," then moving to "not quite as close," and ending with "still not very far." There was an accuracy standard that had to be met, but it wasn't exactly challenging. The weird thing was that I actually got somewhat nervous about the test and didn't shoot nearly as well as normal. Didn't see that one coming. |
Sounds like the class at New Albany Shooting Range. My wife took the course there and made me put night sights n her glock.
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| Mine was a 4 hour lecture. That's it. A lot of the classes around here do include time on the range. The range that I go to has a lot of those classes. I don't think that they can "fail" you based on your performance, though. How anyone can possibly fail in the first place is beyond me. My wife, who had never touched a gun before and was absolutely terrified the first time I took her to the range could have passed the shooting portion from what I've seen. |
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The Texas CHL shooting test is 20 rounds at 3 yards, 20 rounds at 7 yards, and 10 rounds at 15 yards... on a B-21 target. 70% is passing. If you fail that exam you badly need some practice or a more reliable gun. Texas made it so the CHL exam couldn't be more difficult than the exam used for the state police. The state police use the same exam, same target, with a requirement of a 90% score for passing. I made 100% with my .45acp |